Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 16

[jake]

Jake, I wasn't aware that the police had officially named him a suspect and accused him of beating his wife and baby boy to death. Nor was I aware that they were harrassing JY's family. What kind of harrassment have they been subjected to?

Also, I have to agree with others that just because you know that JY had a wonderful upbringing means absolutely nothing about the person he is today. Remember that whole "nature vs. nurture" argument? Well, IMO it's a bit of both, so I don't think that a healthy upbringing can guarantee a good person who is absolutely incapable of murder. JMO...

Howdy,

On the Nontestimonial warrants police officers said three times they think Jason was guilty. The most obvious harassment was the delay in returning confiscated items to family members. And yes, I know Jason brought it on by his standing on his rights. I believe the reaction of police officers has been childish.

Obviously there are no guarantees when raising kids. You do the best you can and then turn them loose. I understand that. I believe it is Jason's nature not to kill his wife and baby, and I believe that's also the way he was nurtured.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Jake,

Your comments about Jason being such a moral fellow, and no way he could kill his wife and unborn son, finally reminded me of something.

A very nice, quiet, unassuming young woman, routine church goer, and no one could ever believe she did what she did.

http://news.aol.com/topnews/article...fe/20070409064809990001?ncid=NWS0001000000000

"It was just building up to this point," Mary Winkler said, according to a statement taken by Alabama police. "I was just tired of it. I guess I just got to a point and snapped."

But friends have said they can't understand how someone as sweet and quiet as Mary Winkler could be charged with murder.

"This was a perfect family," Judy Turner, a member of the Winkler's McMinnville church, said just after Winkler was arrested.


Makes me wonder... ETA - her trial starts today, she was married for 10 years before this event.

Howdy,

Thanks for the link. It certainly is a bewildering story. I see the point you want to make. But I don't agree that Jason in any way can be compared to the Winkler woman.

--Jake

 

[raisincharlie]

Howdy,

I'm sorry you did not get to see the original story. You saw the corrected version. It was corrected after I let some people know the story was incomplete and left a false impression.

The Raleigh N&O didn't have the opportunity to correct their version because it was in print, unlike WRAL. However, the next day the N&O published an updated story also.

Here is the story as it appeared on Feb. 13 in the Raleigh News and Observer: SNIPPED OF COURSE:

Wife's money fears, fury detailed
Murder victim stressed over money, angry at husband's trip without her, warrant shows

Thomasi McDonald, Staff Writer
RALEIGH - Michelle Young was not only "stressing out over money" but about a California vacation authorities say her husband took without her, according to a search warrant.
SNIP

According to the search warrant, Sternberg talked with two witnesses about the California vacation. One said Michelle Young was "very, very" angry about the trip that her husband apparently took without her.
The second witness told Sternberg there was tension between the two as a result of Jason Young's California trip, according to the warrant.

As you can imagine, the CTV board had about five pages of posters guessing what Jason was doing while visiting the fleshpots of California. What a selfish moron to take off on a solo vacation and leave his poor wife and baby behind....etc.

The media relied on the search warrant for the information. The search warrant, I believe, was purposely incomplete. It didn't mention that it was a long-planned trip with Jason's mother, sister, brother in law.

The two A & B (younger) witnesses? Obviously not friends of Jason. The money? That had been planned for and budgeted also.

I've often wondered what would have happened if Jason had given up his constitutional rights and sat down to be grilled by police officers. Would these negative stories have come out differently? I think so.

I also wonder why I keep writing this story. I've done it before, and obviously it convinces no one. Others still believe Jason should "cooperate", give up his rights, submit to grilling, eh, an "interview".
I don't.

--Jake

Jake,

The only difference I see is the N & O pretty much claimed that Michelle was angry because the trip was without her. I would say you should have a beef with that since the search warrant clearly does not say that. A bit of journalistic lattitude appears to have been taken by the N & O.

As to witness A & B, I don't think it should matter if they are friends of Jason's or not as long as they were truthful, that is the only thing that matters. And the search warrant, well Jake, they typically don't list every single detail about a subject. I think you should be careful what you wish for there - would you be happy if a search warrant exposed the details of an affair ? What you see as the police being purposefully negligent is actual quite diligent. I'm sure you and Jason's family would certainly not want every single detail listed for the public to read.

No you will not convince others that Jason is doing what he should be doing in your opinion - by being quiet. That is his right, so be it. The truth will be found regardless of what Jason would or could say to LE.

 

[jake]

Jake,

I beg to differ. Jason is NOT a "moral man". A moral man takes any and all promises he makes with another very serious, even if it is a "handshake deal".

Jason defiled a covenant that he stood up and made with Michelle before God. Nothing moral about that! Nothing at ALL!

5bigfish5

Howdy,

What you say may be true. I believe God will grant forgiveness for human mistakes before fellow humans will. We are a vengeful bunch. Yes, that includes me.

--Jake

 

[raisincharlie]

Howdy,

Thanks for the link. It certainly is a bewildering story. I see the point you want to make. But I don't agree that Jason in any way can be compared to the Winkler woman.

--Jake

No comparison intended - the event however is defintiely not far fetched and not impossible. So while you can say there is no way Jason could kill his wife and baby, the truth is no one can say that about anyone at anytime for any reason - it happens, no matter how perfect the marriage appears or how wonderful the person is, or wonderful their upbringing was, how moral they are, or whether they go to church or not. It happens.

 

[Scout]

Howdy,

I'm sorry you did not get to see the original story. You saw the corrected version. It was corrected after I let some people know the story was incomplete and left a false impression.

The Raleigh N&O didn't have the opportunity to correct their version because it was in print, unlike WRAL. However, the next day the N&O published an updated story also.

Here is the story as it appeared on Feb. 13 in the Raleigh News and Observer: SNIPPED OF COURSE:

Wife's money fears, fury detailed
Murder victim stressed over money, angry at husband's trip without her, warrant shows

Thomasi McDonald, Staff Writer
RALEIGH - Michelle Young was not only "stressing out over money" but about a California vacation authorities say her husband took without her, according to a search warrant.
SNIP

According to the search warrant, Sternberg talked with two witnesses about the California vacation. One said Michelle Young was "very, very" angry about the trip that her husband apparently took without her.
The second witness told Sternberg there was tension between the two as a result of Jason Young's California trip, according to the warrant.

As you can imagine, the CTV board had about five pages of posters guessing what Jason was doing while visiting the fleshpots of California. What a selfish moron to take off on a solo vacation and leave his poor wife and baby behind....etc.

The media relied on the search warrant for the information. The search warrant, I believe, was purposely incomplete. It didn't mention that it was a long-planned trip with Jason's mother, sister, brother in law.

The two A & B (younger) witnesses? Obviously not friends of Jason. The money? That had been planned for and budgeted also.

I've often wondered what would have happened if Jason had given up his constitutional rights and sat down to be grilled by police officers. Would these negative stories have come out differently? I think so.

I also wonder why I keep writing this story. I've done it before, and obviously it convinces no one. Others still believe Jason should "cooperate", give up his rights, submit to grilling, eh, an "interview".
I don't.

--Jake

This is the first I've heard about the California trip being long-planned and budgeted. Can you tell us more about that, Jake?

 

[jilly]

The media relied on the search warrant for the information. The search warrant, I believe, was purposely incomplete. It didn't mention that it was a long-planned trip with Jason's mother, sister, brother in law.[/B]

I thought you said Michelle couldn't go because she had been to her mother's and didn't have any vacation time left? If this was a long-planned trip, then wouldn't she have skipped the idea of going to her mother's and gone to Ca with the rest of them?

Maybe this was just a long-planned trip amongst the Young family without Michelle's knowledge. He could have booked the trip a week or so before going on the Visa (before the bill came in) and Michelle would have been none to the wise.

 

[raisincharlie]

I thought you said Michelle couldn't go because she had been to her mother's and didn't have any vacation time left? If this was a long-planned trip, then wouldn't she have skipped the idea of going to her mother's and gone to Ca with the rest of them?

Maybe this was just a long-planned trip amongst the Young family without Michelle's knowledge. He could have booked the trip a week or so before going on the Visa (before the bill came in) and Michelle would have been none to the wise.

Jilly,

I seem to recall the 'no vacation time left' excuse being used when the information about the trip first came to light as well. Seems it was used to discourage the 5 pages of jumping to conclusions about the trip.

 

[FactsareFacts]

I thought you said Michelle couldn't go because she had been to her mother's and didn't have any vacation time left? If this was a long-planned trip, then wouldn't she have skipped the idea of going to her mother's and gone to Ca with the rest of them?

Maybe this was just a long-planned trip amongst the Young family without Michelle's knowledge. He could have booked the trip a week or so before going on the Visa (before the bill came in) and Michelle would have been none to the wise.

It would also likely make her very angry to discover this had been planned and not discussed with her.

 

[jake]

No disrespect intended Jake but being so close to Jason seems to be preventing you from being objective.

I don't buy for a second that the police made up information to get their search warrants. They have proof IMO that there was indeed daily contact between MM and JY. They got that information from JY's cell phones and computers which led them to MM who confirmed the info and turned over her computer. Whether or not MM and MY communicated daily, weekly or monthly has nothing to do with those search warrants, Jasons cell phones and computer. I have no doubt that those communications leave little to the imagination as to the nature of their relationship, which is why MM admitted to investigators it had been sexual. Communicating daily with someone you are having a sexual relationship doesn't fit into the one night stand "any place" theory at all.

If JY is innocent then co-operating with the police can cause him no harm. If you really think this is some elaborate set up by police to frame Jason Young then why doesn't he go public and tell the world about this travesty of justice?

You know JY's family and maybe you knew JY well growing up as a boy, however he is a grown man who has spent almost half his life NOT living at home with family. Many, many things change as one becomes an adult. I also don't think you or anyone else would have the first clue about the Young's finances. Thats a private matter between a husband and a wife and if there is a financial problem many times that is embarassing for the couple and not something they are eager to share with anyone. Police have access to their financial information and have stated clearly that there were financial problems. I seriously doubt you or anyone else in Jason's family have seen such personal details.

You do realize police have to have proof to back up their claims don't you? Saying it doesn't make it so, evidence does the talking.

As hard as I am sure this is for you, I believe your going to have to face the reality that the Jason Young you knew as a boy is gone and all is not what it appears.:twocents:

Howdy,

I'm sure you are right about not being objective, no matter how hard I try. And I do.

I don't have enough information to discuss the MM story with you. My thoughts are jumbled with verified information and guess work from the message boards. I'll have to research more.

There is no way to know how many innocent people have been framed by police officers. It does happen but I can't give you links to it. Jason and his lawyer decided on the stragegy of standing on his rights. I can understand that.

Finances? I do happen to know that the combined income of the Youngs was such they had no real financial problems. They budgeted for things the same as I do. When unforseen items arise, as the broken garage door, the heat pump, etc., they did what I do: the best they can.

I have wondered about those search warrants. I know the police should not lie on them, but the warrants can be written in such as way that a judge can sign them in good conscience. If this goes to court, it will be interesting to see how many of the warrants stand up. Evidence gained by a faulty warrant will not be admitted.

--Jake

 

[jilly]

It would also likely make her very angry to discover this had been planned and not discussed with her.

No kidding! The part about budgeting is a stretch as well imo. First of all, I would guess that Michelle did all the budgeting in that family and secondly can't imagine her or any woman approving of this expense unless they were rolling in money!

 

[Barney Fife]

Howdy,

I'm sure you are right about not being objective, no matter how hard I try. And I do.

I don't have enough information to discuss the MM story with you. My thoughts are jumbled with verified information and guess work from the message boards. I'll have to research more.

There is no way to know how many innocent people have been framed by police officers. It does happen but I can't give you links to it. Jason and his lawyer decided on the stragegy of standing on his rights. I can understand that.

Finances? I do happen to know that the combined income of the Youngs was such they had no real financial problems. They budgeted for things the same as I do. When unforseen items arise, as the broken garage door, the heat pump, etc., they did what I do: the best they can.

I have wondered about those search warrants. I know the police should not lie on them, but the warrants can be written in such as way that a judge can sign them in good conscience. If this goes to court, it will be interesting to see how many of the warrants stand up. Evidence gained by a faulty warrant will not be admitted.

--Jake

There are plenty of people with VERY substantial incomes that live over their heads and have financial issues. Having said that, I agree with you. I do not believe the Young's had serious financial problems and that will not be part of their case to the jury

 

[Barney Fife]

No kidding! The part about budgeting is a stretch as well imo. First of all, I would guess that Michelle did all the budgeting in that family and secondly can't imagine her or any woman approving of this expense unless they were rolling in money!

If it was planned, it was planned in advance by Jason and his Brevard family. MOO,MY heard about it at the last minute

 

[Scout]

If it was planned, it was planned in advance by Jason and his Brevard family. MOO,MY heard about it at the last minute

Are you saying that not only did Jason treat his family to a California vacation without his wife and daughter, but he planned the trip without her knowledge, as well?

 

[Barney Fife]

Are you saying that not only did Jason treat his family to a California vacation without his wife and daughter, but he planned the trip without her knowledge, as well?

Would be my guess. Like his close friend said .....
"He did what he wanted to do, when he wanted to do it."

 

[FactsareFacts]

Are you saying that not only did Jason treat his family to a California vacation without his wife and daughter, but he planned the trip without her knowledge, as well?

Oh boy if JY was my husband and I discovered that..........:behindbar . I might be behind bars. Thats a betrayal on a whole new level!

 

[raisincharlie]

<snip>
I have wondered about those search warrants. I know the police should not lie on them, but the warrants can be written in such as way that a judge can sign them in good conscience. If this goes to court, it will be interesting to see how many of the warrants stand up. Evidence gained by a faulty warrant will not be admitted.

--Jake

Jake,

I hope you are not hanging your hat on the above. Every defense lawyer in the world will argue a warrant is not admissable, that is their job and SOP.

To be lawful, the search would require two things:

ONE: Probable cause to suspect that the search would reveal certain evidence identified in the warrant application. The legal status of the search depends on what the police/sheriff&#8217;s deputies reasonably suspected at the time of the application, and on the reliability of the information on which that suspicion was founded.

TWO: That the place to be searched and the items sought were described in the warrant with reasonable specificity.

The police are entitled to rely on apparently credible information and proceed in good faith.

 

[sweet peach]

Have to agree with you sweetpeach.

Welcome to WS !

Thanks raisin!

 

[sweet peach]

Oh boy if JY was my husband and I discovered that..........:behindbar . I might be behind bars. Thats a betrayal on a whole new level!

ITA. If that's the case, I could understand if MY possibly started to think about divorce since her hubby clearly wasn't concerned about including her and Cassidy. JMO.

 

[FactsareFacts]

ITA. If that's the case, I could understand if MY possibly started to think about divorce since her hubby clearly wasn't concerned about including her and Cassidy. JMO.

Imagine discovering the CA trip and then maybe a short time later finding out your husband was having an affair with your close friend? I don't know about therapy fixing things but I sure as heck would be thinking of ending my marriage in light of those 2 discoveries.:furious: