Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 17

[raisincharlie]

Well, I knew that last post was long-winded...it appears I've killed the MY thread for the evening :slap:

I'm done for the evening, my Tylenol PM is kickin' in...and RC must be cheering on a certain someone in another language:woohoo:

You all have a nice evening!
DD

Thread killer - nope. I thought it was rather well stated.

Have a good evening ! Hai !!!

 

[jilly]

Good evening, RC.

I have also thought about that in the past...IMO, so oddly quiet. And as others have mentioned in the last few months, if they were to do it now, it would quite possibly ring totally hollow. I just wonder why they didn't have more to say in the first few days or few weeks. The firm certainly knows good PR/press tactics, so it's obviously a conscious decision to remain silent. They must have their reasons :waitasec:

Hiya Deputy! I don't really know but I'll offer a guess......IMO, jy is a Defense Attorney's dream client in a murder case. From the 1st minute jy zipped up. Defense attorney has had no reason to consider PR at this point. There have been no leaks from LE and hardly any media coverage so nothing to defend. If jy is ever charged, then their strategy may change because they may want to get their spin out to the potential jury pool. Until then, the ball is in LEs court.

 

[scandi]

Having said that...think his Dad will "help Jr. out" ?
I say YES. This "once in a life time" trial will put Roger jr on the map .

I agree Barney, he is the very junior partner in the firem, and is probably very fortunate he had an insider who brought him into the fold.

I am sure they all { the en group partnership} have confabs on a regular basis - like 8am sharp every morning to go over all the cases they are working on. So I would bet my bottom dollar that the Jr will have great guidance in putting together a defense. It will be just as if Sr Smith will be thinking the strategy out and formulating a plan, and the young son will keep his peer in tow in the interim!

 

[scandi]

[color=Sni[[/color] . . .
Long-winded, and I'm sorry...but that's how I feel about it. The Youngs shouldn't be dogged about what Jason did, IF he did it, and IF they aren't covering for him. If they do know he did it, then I don't respect them for covering. Michelle, the unborn boy, and Michelle's family deserve the murderer to get his true justice. Just my personal opinion, MOOOOOO.

Right on Dawgie. That is why I think if JY is arrested and the facts look like they are lining up, someone who loves him alot should confront JY and tell him he owes it to everyone to come clean and tell the absolute truth. That is what I always expect of a guilty person, even though it very seldom turns out that they have honor that suddenly stands high above the dastardly deed they have comitted. Sad,

 

[jilly]

I guess I didn't picture your context of the Youngs in regard to seeking out the camera for interviews, etc. I'm sure during those first few days, the media was clammoring (sp?) for any type of comment or interview(s) from them. For them to give a little comment, asking for the public's help in finding the murderer, or to give an update as to how Cassidy or Jason were holding up, etc....would be acceptable. Emphasizing, they could make statements and be seen as showing compassion and care and concern...and grief...without mentioning details of the crime or Jason's alibi or actions, etc.

IMO, that was missing. Not like they have to do such things, but when the public gets wrapped up in caring about a case, they want to hear how key players are doing, etc. And I think that was the point back to the silence from this legal firm. It's just quiet compared to so many cases, and somewhat different than the firm's normal "PR" actions, maybe. (You know the saying, the best offense is a good defense, etc.) People just wonder why, as it's noticeably different.

JMO.

Me again!

I don't think I've seen too many cases where the parents of both husband & wife didn't join together and make a public plea for information from the public to help find the murderer. Even the Petersons', Sharon & Ron & family did in the beginning.

I suspect something prevented the families here from doing that. Either the Youngs' & Linda Fisher were estranged prior to this murder or LF possibly accused jy as soon as she found out her daughter was murdered. Something prevented these two families to come together in a time of grief. They even sat on opposite sides at the funeral. It would be nice if Jake would enlighten us because I don't believe this excuse of not wanting to show their grief in public.

I believe the one thing that prevented the Youngs' from making a public statement was fear that their son could be charged with the murder plus they didn't want to be ogled as being the family of a possible murder suspect. Their priority from the beginning has been to protect their son and themselves.

 

[scandi]

Does anyone think this ball pin hammer could have made the wounds Michelle suffered? A mallet and a ball pin hammer are very different, and I think this was described as a hammer. I think the force behind a swing from an instrument like this would do more damage to her skull - pointed damage to the back of her head, with different shaped wounds. I wish Sami would check in!

 

[The Saint]

Does anyone think this ball pin hammer could have made the wounds Michelle suffered? A mallet and a ball pin hammer are very different, and I think this was described as a hammer. I think the force behind a swing from an instrument like this would do more damage to her skull - pointed damage to the back of her head, with different shaped wounds. I wish Sami would check in!

Look at the names of these ball peen hammers like
Soft Face Dead blow hammer. They could do a lot of damage to a skull and teeth.

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[nanandjim]

...I believe the one thing that prevented the Youngs' from making a public statement was fear that their son could be charged with the murder plus they didn't want to be ogled as being the family of a possible murder suspect. Their priority from the beginning has been to protect their son.

I think Michelle's family, particularly her mother, knew of the problems in Michelle's marriage. I also find it extremely suspicious that Michelle's own husband did not use the media to plead with the public to find the murderer (a la Scott Peterson). He didn't do so because HE is the murderer and knew that he couldn't come across as an innocent, loving husband. Further, he knew that the media would ask questions that he didn't want to answer.

Most loved ones would love to have any media attention that they can get. Not Jason's family. I can't remember, but did the People magazine article about Michelle have any comments from Jason's side of the family? As I recall (which may be incorrect), I don't think so. :waitasec:

 

[jilly]

Most loved ones would love to have any media attention that they can get. Not Jason's family. I can't remember, but did the People magazine article about Michelle have any comments from Jason's side of the family? As I recall (which may be incorrect), I don't think so. :waitasec:

No they didn't even though a reporter for PEOPLE was in Brevard for this story. I just noticed that there were 6 reporters on this story. 2 in Raleigh, 1 in Sayville, 1 in Brevard, 1 in Ocoee and 1 in Charlotte.

This young family obviously despised the press, imo. I can still remember how those family members strode defiantly into the funeral glaring at the media. Didn't look like any of them were grieving at all. Bizarre.

 

[scandi]

Thanks Saint, Those look like mallets to me.

Charlie, are you saying the original Birchleaf SW that mentioned a search for the murder weapon has not been returned? I thought it had come back, but could be wrong. With the finding of this hammer there is nothing needed by LE to examine it, right? Just bag it and deliver it to the forensic lab. Gee, that will take a bit of time to have analyzed unless they are about ready to effect an arrest. I wonder if there were any tell-tale signs on it for bglood?

I have also wondered why we never heard of any searches made for the accoutrements of the crime. Strange, as we would have heard something I would think if LE did search. I can't see the killer leaving things behind.

I wonder why RaleighResident stopped posting. I bet he has heard some interesting info about the 'find'! Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Saint, Those look like mallets to me.

Charlie, are you saying the original Birchleaf SW that mentioned a search for the murder weapon has not been returned? I thought it had come back, but could be wrong. With the finding of this hammer there is nothing needed by LE to examine it, right? Just bag it and deliver it to the forensic lab. Gee, that will take a bit of time to have analyzed unless they are about ready to effect an arrest. I wonder if there were any tell-tale signs on it for bglood?

I have also wondered why we never heard of any searches made for the accoutrements of the crime. Strange, as we would have heard something I would think if LE did search. I can't see the killer leaving things behind.

I wonder why RaleighResident stopped posting. I bet he has heard some interesting info about the 'find'! Scandi

I was simply wondering what warrant Jake was quoting since the news reports made it rather plain that the warrant to retrieve the mallet/hammer was an open warrent - not returned and therefore not open for public access. There is indeed a warrant to retrieve this item from the Birchleaf residence - I'm sure a copy of it would have been sent to R Smith as have the others relating to JY's personal property.

Scandi, we do know LE has gone to three states beyond NC - I'll suggest there were warrants involved. I'm not sure we would hear as the press has been very tight lipped. It would be a safe assumption that the hotel room was searched, but as we know - the press has said absolutely nothing about it nor have they even acknoledged where or if there is a hotel room. We also know from DOm - that the video tape from the Duffield store was indeed collected by LE - but again the press has said zero. Just because we haven't heard about it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I suspect much has happened that we are unaware of. JMO

 

[The Saint]

Thanks Saint, Those look like mallets to me.

Charlie, are you saying the original Birchleaf SW that mentioned a search for the murder weapon has not been returned? I thought it had come back, but could be wrong. With the finding of this hammer there is nothing needed by LE to examine it, right? Just bag it and deliver it to the forensic lab. Gee, that will take a bit of time to have analyzed unless they are about ready to effect an arrest. I wonder if there were any tell-tale signs on it for bglood?

I have also wondered why we never heard of any searches made for the accoutrements of the crime. Strange, as we would have heard something I would think if LE did search. I can't see the killer leaving things behind.

I wonder why RaleighResident stopped posting. I bet he has heard some interesting info about the 'find'! Scandi

Only he can answer for sure, but i believe RaleighResident stopped posting
due to a certain Brevard poster's veiled threats to his grandkids and SO and the whole WRAL/AL mess that poster caused.

plus there are the trolls that make it very difficult for any discussions to take place.

RaleighResident is very much missed on several boards.

jmo

 

[j2mirish]

To me, those who seek out the camera to show their grief are sick. They are begging for attention. Those who know they can't hold their emotions in check in front of a camera should avoid interviews. JMO of course.

--Jake

its not about a camera--- it is about someones soul---how could anyone hold back- Like dd said-- HEART HURTS

 

[Nomimi]

To me, those who seek out the camera to show their grief are sick. They are begging for attention. Those who know they can't hold their emotions in check in front of a camera should avoid interviews. JMO of course.

--Jake

And we know that the Young's aren't begging for any attention to help find the murderer of their loved one. That's very sad. I believe I would be able to overcome ANYTHING to be able to help find the murderer of one of my loved ones.

 

[Nomimi]

jake,

are you related to the pastor who saw scratches on jay's face?

did that even happen?

imo

I was just about to ask the same question. Isn't Jake an assistant Pastor or Deacon of a particular church? If it is him, I doubt there were EVER any scratches on Jason Young, unless of course Michelle was fighting back, after one of his nasty blowups!

 

[Nomimi]

Only he can answer for sure, but i believe RaleighResident stopped posting
due to a certain Brevard poster's veiled threats to his grandkids and SO and the whole WRAL/AL mess that poster caused.

plus there are the trolls that make it very difficult for any discussions to take place.

RaleighResident is very much missed on several boards.

jmo

I 2nd that emotion!

 

[Barney Fife]

Jake,

Tell us more about the blood on the master bath shower door. Since you told us about your finding, I am sure you have an explaination that points AWAY from Jason. Any ideas who would take a shower in the home after they murdered Michelle ?

 

[scandi]

Good Morning,

I found this link at CTV:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5228662

Snippet
" . . "There is a warrant for an object yet to be determined if it's involved in the case," said a spokeswoman for the Sheriff's Office. . . . . .That's exactly what Linda Fisher, Michelle Young's mother wants. She told Eyewitness News she was unaware of the recent search warrant. Fisher seemed relieved someone had come forward, saying she was grateful for the neighbor who contacted investigators."


I wondered the same thing about a warrant for the weapon, and this article is somewhat contradictory. The Sheriffs office makes it sound like an open warrant for and 'object' to see if it is involved in the case, but Linda F says it is a new warrant.

If something new was discovered on the property, why would they need a warrant anyway to examine it? Scandi

 

[scandi]

Jake,

Tell us more about the blood on the master bath shower door. Since you told us about your finding, I am sure you have an explaination that points AWAY from Jason. Any ideas who would take a shower in the home after they murdered Michelle ?

It would have to be someone comfortable enough not to worry about anyone interrupting the goings on! Like walking into the bathroom and jerking open the shower door as he sudsed up!

You got me thinking Barney. Yes, the random perp would feel the need to get out of there ASAP I would think. The more time spent there the higher the chance would be of leaving personal evidence or being caught.


But there is one thing I know. That is the Master Bath is in the center back of the house upstairs, inbetween the MBr and the office. It faces out on a grove of trees to the back, so even if the lights were on up there, no neighbors would be able to see him turning on or off lights at such an odd hour to wonder what was going on.

A random perp wouldn't know this. Even if he was in that bedroom during darkness, he would not know what was out back, trees or another house! A non-random perp would be fully aware of this. Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Good Morning,

I found this link at CTV:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5228662

Snippet
" . . "There is a warrant for an object yet to be determined if it's involved in the case," said a spokeswoman for the Sheriff's Office. . . . . .That's exactly what Linda Fisher, Michelle Young's mother wants. She told Eyewitness News she was unaware of the recent search warrant. Fisher seemed relieved someone had come forward, saying she was grateful for the neighbor who contacted investigators."


I wondered the same thing about a warrant for the weapon, and this article is somewhat contradictory. The Sheriffs office makes it sound like an open warrant for and 'object' to see if it is involved in the case, but Linda F says it is a new warrant.

If something new was discovered on the property, why would they need a warrant anyway to examine it? Scandi

Chain of custody for one thing, second, whatever the object is it was found on private property, a warrant would be necessary to sieze the item and to keep a lawyer from yet another red herring to play with. I believe this would be a new warrant specific to the location of the object. JMO