Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 17

[Straitfan]

Hmmm..so if you know someone means they arent the killer? JK! I haven't read back to far but what I have read sounds little odd to me, jmo.

 

[scandi]

Hi Straitfan, No, if you know someone who you have an emotional attachment to you simply pray that person is not the killer. That's all, I think.

I have read almost all of Jakes posts here and there, and several times have heard in his words the doubt which he works to overcome. So I know he has thoughts that slip in there and raise his eyebrows at times.

He has a bit of an agenda to paint his friend, the POI in the case, as best he can, and so often has tried different ways to show how the crime could have been committed by someone else. Or let us know that his family friend could never simply turn like that and in a short period of time, turn into a vicious weapon bearing killer who could desimate someone to leave so much blood at the crime scene. And why he couldn't have done it. He knows him in one light as a person. Could he really have actually done this to her? I am so very sure it has crossed his mind.

I am just one of those posters who understands what he is up against in even posting on a board that is mostly on the opposite side of the fence. I don't care what anyone thinks, because in life I think friendship is almost sacred, and you have to stand behind your friends. I do respect him for that.

I do however think the day will come, and I think he very well sees this coming, when his friend will be arrested and charged with Michelle's murder. He will listen to what we say, as he has a great ability to hold his stance, take the comments on the boards and still say what he needs to.

If it comes to JY's arrest and he is tried, what I am thinking is that if Jake is a real friend of his he would go to him when the facts are clear, and tell him that above all what he owes to those he loves and to his daughter, is the truth, and it will set him free. It is what history has taught us that we need to do. And that as his friend he will always be there for him, no matter what he did. He will support him into his own bankrupsy if need be, out of respect for all the members of his family who are really wonderful people and never saw anything coming.

I think it boils down to the fact we all want justice for Michelle and her baby, Cassidy and her family and friends. I think he wants this too. He must also want JY's mind to have peace, if he really did commit this unbearable crime while he was Hyde-ish. He just has a difficult road to travel. When push comes to shove, if it does, he will feel terrible, and then we will need to be his friend. That is what friends are all about. Scandi

 

[The Saint]

Wow, interesting! Thanks The Saint, so is it any closer to the arrest or still no word? Does Michelle's family get to see the baby?

some feel an arrest is imminent, including the reporter ed crum, and i think jake senses it.

it is open for debate whether linda and meredith have been able to see Cassidy. Someone (possibly jay's mother or little sister) has sent linda
pictures of cassidy.

linda has planned a tree planting ceremony in NY on earth day in honor of michelle's memory.

imo

 

[The Saint]

Scandi,

That is a beautifully written post. But tonight, i kind of take a cynic's view that the Mary Winkler guilty verdict (on the lesser charge of manslaughter --- 3-6 years) might make jay think that the same lighter charge could apply to him.

do you think he might try to have RSmith work out copping a plea to manslaughter in the next few days?

imo

 

[scandi]

Scandi,

That is a beautifully written post. But tonight, i kind of take a cynic's view that the Mary Winkler guilty verdict (on the lesser charge of manslaughter --- 3-6 years) might make jay think that the same lighter charge could apply to him.

do you think he might try to have RSmith work out copping a plea to manslaughter in the next few days?

imo

Hi Saint, I have followed the Winkler case lightly, but have read all of todays threads Pfwew! I think the jury didn't hear what I heard. She went out of the room and got a gun out of a closet. Came back into the room where he was sleeping and shot him in the back! She might have talked to him while she was holding the gun on him, but she pulled her finger on that trigger when she decided that was it, he is toast! I also think the futile attempt to paint him cruel by wanting her in a wig and white platforms during sex was almost laughable. And did they examine the baby to see if there were choke marks on her neck?

I think it was premeditated and she should have received life. But then I also saw her laughing and feeling very comfortable in court when she didn't know the camera was on her. She could be a chamelion, and very good at it!


I don't think the outcome of the Winkler trial should give Jake any consolance when it comes to JY. If there were different jurors she could be facing 60 years tonight! The judge could overrule their decision. And Mary played the timid and demure piece of her personality to the max. It will be difficult for a man to play the same part to garner such understanding from 12 citizens. He will be first of all her husband and a man. And if he plays it like Mary did, they will convict him for sure! Scandi

 

[scandi]

I really don't see any reason for the State to offer him a plea, except to save the cost of the trial. They have her body. Yes, a confession would be icing on the cake for a trial. But the State won't move on this until they can prove it without a reasonable doubt anyway. That is how ship-shape they have to be because of the tarnished reputation of the prosecutors office and the stalwart strength of the opposing defense as it sits right now.

The only way for an offer would be {IMHO} is if they know he committed the crime but are short a fact or proof of something to nail the case. And if that were the case, I think Smith would see thru it and not agree to a lesser charge!

;} Scandi

 

[The Saint]

I really don't see any reason for the State to offer him a plea, except to save the cost of the trial. They have her body. Yes, a confession would be icing on the cake for a trial. But the State won't move on this until they can prove it without a reasonable doubt anyway. That is how ship-shape they have to be because of the tarnished reputation of the prosecutors office and the stalwart strength of the opposing defense as it sits right now.

The only way for an offer would be {IMHO} is if they know he committed the crime but are short a fact or proof of something to nail the case. And if that were the case, I think Smith would see thru it and not agree to a lesser charge!

;} Scandi

So is JF celebrating tonight because his mantra was right --- women get away with murder? or i guess you are saying to wait for the judge to
hand down Mary Winker's sentence.

the cost of jay's defense will be staggering --- the estimated to be $750,000.


i agree with you that the DA will not be all that willing to make a deal on such a brutal murder, especially one involving an unborn baby.

imo

 

[scandi]

Excuse me while I wade through the mountain of teeth discussions, lmao
Here you go everyone.......

04/19/07 -- RALEIGH) - It's unclear at this time if the discovery on the Young's lawn is related to the case, but is has the attention of investigators.

A smaller mallet/hammer.

And at last there is soemthing else to discuss!

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5227026

Sami

Good Morning Sami, This is strange, isn't it? Jake said the lawn had been mowed several times. I don't think any killer would be stupid enough to toss out the murder weapon onto the property! I wonder if it was some prankish kids looking for excitement that tossed this out of a car? I wonder exactly where it was found?

This article says: Snippet "A spokesperson for the Wake County Sheriff's Department said, "There is a search warrant for an object yet to be determined if it's involved in the case." That tells me up to this point they have not found the murder weapon in all they took out of the home like we suspected they might have. That is a new thought!


Scandi

 

[Barney Fife]

This article says: Snippet "A spokesperson for the Wake County Sheriff's Department said, "There is a search warrant for an object yet to be determined if it's involved in the case." That tells me up to this point they have not found the murder weapon in all they took out of the home like we suspected they might have. That is a new thought!


Scandi

http://html.wral.com/news/local/flash/1085656/

Nothing listed on the SW that could be used a murder weapon was removed from the house. It was stated 'the crime scene NEEDS TO BE searched and processsed for evidence and instrumentalities of this crime'

I agree, the murder weapon was not recovered at the scene.

 

[raisincharlie]

http://html.wral.com/news/local/flash/1085656/

Nothing listed on the SW that could be used a murder weapon was removed from the house. It was stated 'the crime scene NEEDS TO BE searched and processsed for evidence and instrumentalities of this crime'

I agree, the murder weapon was not recovered at the scene.

Perhaps what LE has found interesting is the comparison between the time Meredith was called by JY and the time trash is routinely picked up on Fridays in the neighborhood. If these times line up, there is a possibility the weapon (and all that "missing" jewelry) may not be found. Of course the possibility remains that items associated with the murder were disposed of well away from the scene by someone late for their meeting.

 

[Barney Fife]

Just went back and looked at the search warrant for Jason's car. And yes, LE did seize a knife. Wonder why?

I've always thought there was too much blood in that room. I have a hard time believing it all came from head wounds. I know scalp wounds bleed profusely, but not for long periods, or so I've been told.

--Jake

Since Jake chose to ignore my PM to him on this subject, I will explain to the board why he is so curious about a knife wound.

One of my local contacts that has been in the house after the murder said :

"There was a lot of blood, but it was all very localized near the body, not all over the house. Some of the blood stains in the house looked more like they were from a stab or puncture wound, heavy thick blood in a line "

My take is that 'line of thick blood" poured from Michelle's mouth after she was viciously struck across the mouth and she staggered to the floor. No Jake, no stab wounds with a knife.

 

[j2mirish]

Thank you for your opinion. My guess is LE simply made a guess about the tooth belonging to Michelle. I think LE ASSUMED it belonged to Michelle. And maybe it does.

I don't know if LE has Michelle's dental records. Again, my guess is LE does not. And my guess is the news article is correct: no test of any kind was done on the tooth to identify it.

--Jake

:doh: :doh: :bang: :doh: :doh:

 

[raisincharlie]

:laugh: :laugh:

:doh: :doh: :bang: :doh: :doh:

I agree

 

[Scout]

Since Jake chose to ignore my PM to him on this subject, I will explain to the board why he is so curious about a knife wound.

One of my local contacts that has been in the house after the murder said :

"There was a lot of blood, but it was all very localized near the body, not all over the house. Some of the blood stains in the house looked more like they were from a stab or puncture wound, heavy thick blood in a line "

My take is that 'line of thick blood" poured from Michelle's mouth after she was viciously struck across the mouth and she staggered to the floor. No Jake, no stab wounds with a knife.

I would think the laceration on the left jaw would have been similar to a stab or puncture wound in that it appeared to have been made by the sharp edge of the broken bone, from the inside out.

 

[Scout]

And besides, scalp lacerations bleed profusely. Look at the Kathleen Peterson case. I'm recalling Henry Lee saying "Too much blood for a beating." Something like that anyway.

One of those gashes on Michelle's head was 4 1/2" long. There wasn't much left of her scalp on the back and left side.

If there were lines of blood, that sounds like she may have been up and mobile during part of the attack.

 

[j2mirish]

Thank you for your opinion. My guess is LE simply made a guess about the tooth belonging to Michelle. I think LE ASSUMED it belonged to Michelle. And maybe it does.

I don't know if LE has Michelle's dental records. Again, my guess is LE does not. And my guess is the news article is correct: no test of any kind was done on the tooth to identify it.

--Jake

:doh: :doh: :bang: :doh: :doh:

:laugh: :laugh:






I agree

sorry, I just couldnt take it anymore, then went on to read that the flipping ar is not correct either :hand:

 

[raisincharlie]

sorry, I just couldnt take it anymore, then went on to read that the flipping ar is not correct either :hand:

Calling the report we saw an AR is really stretching it. I believe all we saw was a COD - cause of death report. It is rather obvious the Autopsy Report is actually sealed IMO. No need to be sorry, point well taken.

 

[Barney Fife]

Hi Jake....see you are lurking at 11:30 am

How's the weather in Brevard ?

 

[j2mirish]

Calling the report we saw an AR is really stretching it. I believe all we saw was a COD - cause of death report. It is rather obvious the Autopsy Report is actually sealed IMO. No need to be sorry, point well taken.

I can deal with different opinions- if someone believes jy is innocent,
certainly their right- even appreciate the person who can come to a board and post when 95% of the posters think he is guilty...but God Dang it--- dont make shi* up, or be absurd about it......ok...I am done venting for the day :silenced:

 

[snowshuze]

:doh: :doh: :bang: :doh: :doh:

Ditto.

<personal note to Mr Jake...Research is your friend>

Good morning all.