Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 17

[Scout]

I understand your confusion. But I think "rage" is not a "motive". Motive implies a reason for doing something.

--Jake

Motive is the cause of the action. The action was the beating that resulted in Michelle's death. I'm not sure if the cause of that action was rage or some other motive. You used the word "reason". In this instance, "reason" doesn't necessarily imply rationality.

 

[Scout]

Don't know how much of this I can legally copy. I find it interesting but don't know how valid it is since it comes from wikipedia and not a law book. It is SNIPPED++++++++++

--Jake

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motive_%28law)

In law, especially criminal law, a motive is the cause that moves people and induce a certain action. Motive in itself is seldom an element of any given crime; however, the legal system typically allows motive to be proven in order to make plausible the accused's reasons for committing a crime, at least when those motives may be obscure or hard to identify with.
The law technically distinguishes between motive and intent. "Intent" in criminal law is synonymous with mens rea, which means no more than the specific mental purpose to perform a deed that is forbidden by a criminal statute, or the reckless disregard of whether the law will be violated. "Motive" describes instead the reasons in the accused's background and station in life that are supposed to have induced the crime.

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Well, if you're suggesting that rage would be intent, I'd have to say that you are wrong. Intent would be the decision to kill or take action that one knows could result in the victim's death. Rage could be the motive behind that intent.

 

[jake]

Well, if you're suggesting that rage would be intent, I'd have to say that you are wrong. Intent would be the decision to kill or take action that one knows could result in the victim's death. Rage could be the motive behind that intent.

Okay. I reckon we are getting a little bit too deep. Nope. Rage is not intent. Rage is cause. Rage might cause a man to hit his pregnant wife. But unless he is really sick, he would stop before killing her.

--Jake

 

[Nomimi]

Okay. I reckon we are getting a little bit too deep. Nope. Rage is not intent. Rage is cause. Rage might cause a man to hit his pregnant wife. But unless he is really sick, he would stop before killing her.

--Jake

Have you ever heard of uncontrollable rage? Or uncontrollable anger?

 

[Scout]

Okay. I reckon we are getting a little bit too deep. Nope. Rage is not intent. Rage is cause. Rage might cause a man to hit his pregnant wife. But unless he is really sick, he would stop before killing her.

--Jake

Well, wasn't the argument about whether or not rage could be motive? Doesn't seem deep to me. Maybe the discussion just isn't going in the direction you had hoped for?

p/s: Jason just might be sick.

 

[jake]

Well, wasn't the argument about whether or not rage could be motive? Doesn't seem deep to me. Maybe the discussion just isn't going in the direction you had hoped for?

p/s: Jason just might be sick.

Ha! No argument ever goes the way I want it to. People should just let me write both sides.

I think of motive as something thought out in advance. I'm stuck. You can't change me.

Scout just might be sick.
Jake just might be sick.
Scout just might be brilliant.
Jake just might be a genius. Well, let's don't go too far.

--Jake

 

[nanandjim]

...linguistic quirks. Do you have any?

--Jake

None that I can think of, at the moment. :blushing:

 

[nanandjim]

I've never asked him, but my GUESS is he is simply following his lawyer's advice. The insurance company? My GUESS is, it will never happen.

--Jake

An innocent man would want to find his wife's murderer. He wouldn't have "lawyered" up immediately. Every innocent person accepts that the police have to work from the inner circle outward. Jason would have been eliminated from the suspect list if he were innocent. He was too afraid to talk to police because he has something to hide. He also is too afraid to questioned by the insurance company. I can understand that a guilty man's freedom is more important than the life insurance money. I just hope and pray that the police are working very hard to get their ducks in a row to arrest Jason. It's coming...

 

[jake]

An innocent man would want to find his wife's murderer. He wouldn't have "lawyered" up immediately. Every innocent person accepts that the police have to work from the inner circle outward. Jason would have been eliminated from the suspect list if he were innocent. He was too afraid to talk to police because he has something to hide. He also is too afraid to questioned by the insurance company. I can understand that a guilty man's freedom is more important than the life insurance money. I just hope and pray that the police are working very hard to get their ducks in a row to arrest Jason. It's coming...

I used to believe that way also. But the more I read and learn of other cases, the less I trust in the integrity of LE.

The most recent example if the Duke lacrosse case. Surely you agree the DA showed a total lack of integrity in an attempt to railroad those boys.

Recently I read two books about cases in Oklahoma in which the DA showed a total lack of integrity in sending men to the death chamber.

I know nothing about the Wake County DA and LE. Possibly Jason can trust them. But he isn't willing to put his freedom and his life in jeopardy by trusting them. Neither would I.

--Jake

 

[Stoli]

I used to believe that way also. But the more I read and learn of other cases, the less I trust in the integrity of LE.

The most recent example if the Duke lacrosse case. Surely you agree the DA showed a total lack of integrity in an attempt to railroad those boys.

Recently I read two books about cases in Oklahoma in which the DA showed a total lack of integrity in sending men to the death chamber.

I know nothing about the Wake County DA and LE. Possibly Jason can trust them. But he isn't willing to put his freedom and his life in jeopardy by trusting them. Neither would I.

--Jake

There is some truth to that but I really believe that the fact those young men were forthright and honest and came forward kept them from being convicted unfairly. If they had hidden and refuesed to cooperate, they may have still been exonerated but they would have gone to trial. They contributed to their own defense, to their credit.

 

[5bigfish5]

You mishit a key, huh? I've never seen that before. A diamond ring, maybe. All these people were in the Raleigh area that night? Talk about a traffic jam!!

--Jake

Writhe and shout all you want.

The fact remains, that without any foreign DNA in "your" bloody master bath where the murderer supposedly cleaned up.

All roads lead right back to Jason.

5BigFish5

 

[jake]

There is some truth to that but I really believe that the fact those young men were forthright and honest and came forward kept them from being convicted unfairly. If they had hidden and refuesed to cooperate, they may have still been exonerated but they would have gone to trial. They contributed to their own defense, to their credit.

I didn't follow the case closely, but I thought the three boys refused to talk to LE or reporters or anyone about the case. All three had lawyers who advised the boys to keep quiet.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Writhe and shout all you want.

The fact remains, that without any foreign DNA in "your" bloody master bath where the murderer supposedly cleaned up.

All roads lead right back to Jason.

5BigFish5

Don't know what kind of dna was found, if any. Don't know if the killer cleaned up in there, but it seems likely.

--Jake

 

[Stoli]

I didn't follow the case closely, but I thought the three boys refused to talk to LE or reporters or anyone about the case. All three had lawyers who advised the boys to keep quiet.

--Jake

It was my understanding that they came forward and gave information including providing photographs that proved the young woman was giving false information. The DA didn't want to hear it but the public sure did! I think most knew those young men were innocent long before the pronouncement was made. Once their information and evidence was made public, it became obvious.

 

[5bigfish5]

There is some truth to that but I really believe that the fact those young men were forthright and honest and came forward kept them from being convicted unfairly. If they had hidden and refuesed to cooperate, they may have still been exonerated but they would have gone to trial. They contributed to their own defense, to their credit.

Ironic too that at least one of the LAX guys had the EXACT same law firm, that quakes in their boots at the thought of Jason opening his mouth. No worry, we have other Brevardians to do that.

Hmmm.

5BigFish5

 

[Nomimi]

I didn't follow the case closely, but I thought the three boys refused to talk to LE or reporters or anyone about the case. All three had lawyers who advised the boys to keep quiet.

--Jake

Wrong! All 3 of them willingly submitted their DNA. There was no need for an NTIO to be issued. They were innocent. Jason Young is not, in my opinion. That's the difference.

 

[Scout]

Ha! No argument ever goes the way I want it to. People should just let me write both sides.

I think of motive as something thought out in advance. I'm stuck. You can't change me.

Scout just might be sick.
Jake just might be sick.
Scout just might be brilliant.
Jake just might be a genius. Well, let's don't go too far.

--Jake

I'm not trying to change you. If you like being wrong, that's fine by me.

 

[jilly]

Jilly,
Your above post described the Scott Peterson trial and the Michael Peterson trial. SP, for whatever reason, didn't divorce Laci.He saw it easier to kill her and their unborn child. MP could have easily divorced Kathleen, but he instead chose murder. :furious:

IMO, that's exactly what happened to Michelle Young and her unborn baby. The facts are so classic........The wife is found murdered but this time in the home no less. After the wife is found, it's revealed that the husband was having some type of affair. Forensics should tie this together nicely, but for some reason it hasn't.

I didn't follow the MP case but I saw the Lifetime movie on the weekend. I didn't know they exhumed the first wife's body!
Yes, there seems to be some sort of a pattern - all about me syndrome! It's really crazy when you think about it. It just goes to show these men had absolutely no regard for their wives even as a human being.

 

[Nomimi]

I didn't follow the MP case but I saw the Lifetime movie on the weekend. I didn't know they exhumed the first wife's body!
Yes, there seems to be some sort of a pattern - all about me syndrome! It's really crazy when you think about it. It just goes to show these men had absolutely no regard for their wives even as a human being.

That's what worries me about Jason Young having custody of little Cassidy. He feels the need to be the center of attention, so where does that leave her?

 

[jilly]

How right you are!

Funny thing is these guys want OUT, yet they adore the life that they have become accustomed to living.

So, what do they do? They kill the goose that they think will lay the "golden" life insurance egg.

So incredibly sad. When will they learn?

That is so true and it's so ironic because they wouldn't be where they are without the woman helping them get there!
It is sad and you ask when will they learn. I think the only thing these guys are learning is the mistakes the murderers are making. Look at this guy - he turns off his cell phone so as to not be traced. Unfortunately, I think we're going to see alot more of these murders.