Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 18

[strach304]

If we really want to stretch the imagination lets say for instance someone was trying to make it look like a SA. Who in their right mind not wanting to get caught is gonna leave behind fingerprints and dna in a used condom? Then sometime on down the road a family member of Jason's finds something that they don't realize is important but does later realize it is important. I wanna know how they found it and what was their sudden enlightenment as to how it might be important evidence that LE overlooked?

My other theory is that it was staged to look like Michelle was having an affair. One thing would be the obvious no sign of forced entry so that makes sense to me. Some of you will recall that SP was trying to make it look like Laci was having an affair and the baby wasn't his and she left on her own. They did prove in court that the baby was the child of both Scott and Laci's.

I really am becoming concerned that there will never be an arrest in this case.

 

[Barney Fife]

Jake,

One your former students, Tennisbuff, is really on your case over at CTV. Bottom line is she does not believe a thing you say.

 

[jake]

Jake,

One your former students, Tennisbuff, is really on your case over at CTV. Bottom line is she does not believe a thing you say.

Thanks, Barney. I can tell you're trying to make me feel good.

What can I say? She can write. She can read. She's a professional. She thinks for herself. I did my job.

--Jake

 

[jake]

Jake,

One your former students, Tennisbuff, is really on your case over at CTV. Bottom line is she does not believe a thing you say.

How many times you going to post this, Barney?

How about carrying this over to the other board?

I'm proud of Tennisbuff. She thinks.

--Jake

 

[chicoliving]

Glad I popped in. Continue on your discussion about the Michelle Young case and discontinue your discussion of the posters. This applies to everyone. An occasional post about another site is fine as long as another site or posters does not become the discussion.

 

[jake]

If we really want to stretch the imagination lets say for instance someone was trying to make it look like a SA. Who in their right mind not wanting to get caught is gonna leave behind fingerprints and dna in a used condom? Then sometime on down the road a family member of Jason's finds something that they don't realize is important but does later realize it is important. I wanna know how they found it and what was their sudden enlightenment as to how it might be important evidence that LE overlooked?

My other theory is that it was staged to look like Michelle was having an affair. One thing would be the obvious no sign of forced entry so that makes sense to me. Some of you will recall that SP was trying to make it look like Laci was having an affair and the baby wasn't his and she left on her own. They did prove in court that the baby was the child of both Scott and Laci's.

I really am becoming concerned that there will never be an arrest in this case.

Come on, Strach. An arrest is coming....sometime.

I believe you should give up on the idea of a used condom. I doubt it happened.

I don't know how I would stage a murder scene to make it look like Michelle was having an affair. No-forced-entry could be just an unlocked door. Happens all the time.

--Jake

 

[spring]

was the supposed box of condoms opened?

 

[strach304]

Come on, Strach. An arrest is coming....sometime.

I believe you should give up on the idea of a used condom. I doubt it happened.

I don't know how I would stage a murder scene to make it look like Michelle was having an affair. No-forced-entry could be just an unlocked door. Happens all the time.

--Jake

I'm still not even convinced it's a condom but you have inplied there is something so why don't you tell me instead of me guessing. If I were more informed I could make a better decision, right?

We don't have the info LE does so we don't know if the possibility of a staged rape or robbery attempt was made. Which by the way does happen quite often with spousal murder if that is what we are dealing with so LE needs to look at that possibility too.

 

[Stoli]

I'm still not even convinced it's a condom but you have inplied there is something so why don't you tell me instead of me guessing. If I were more informed I could make a better decision, right?

We don't have the info LE does so we don't know if the possibility of a staged rape or robbery attempt was made. Which by the way does happen quite often with spousal murder if that is what we are dealing with so LE needs to look at that possibility too.

I would like to believe that Jake is being honest with us but he doesn't seem to want to be straight so you never know what to believe and what not to believe. I think I'll wait to see whatever evidence there is in the courtroom.

 

[j2mirish]

If we really want to stretch the imagination lets say for instance someone was trying to make it look like a SA. Who in their right mind not wanting to get caught is gonna leave behind fingerprints and dna in a used condom? Then sometime on down the road a family member of Jason's finds something that they don't realize is important but does later realize it is important. I wanna know how they found it and what was their sudden enlightenment as to how it might be important evidence that LE overlooked?

My other theory is that it was staged to look like Michelle was having an affair. One thing would be the obvious no sign of forced entry so that makes sense to me. Some of you will recall that SP was trying to make it look like Laci was having an affair and the baby wasn't his and she left on her own. They did prove in court that the baby was the child of both Scott and Laci's.

I really am becoming concerned that there will never be an arrest in this case.

I am right there with you- just hoping LE is crossing their T's and dotting their I's

 

[athy]

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1381989/

new article 15 minutes ago

 

[j2mirish]

Come on, Strach. An arrest is coming....sometime.

I believe you should give up on the idea of a used condom. I doubt it happened.

I don't know how I would stage a murder scene to make it look like Michelle was having an affair. No-forced-entry could be just an unlocked door. Happens all the time.

--Jake

I dont recall strach saying YOU staged the scene...????

the unlocked door that happens all the time is a very good point, as far as the unforced entry- I hadnt thought of that :doh:
eta-- the unforced entry doesnt apply in my mind to this case, as I think the murderer had a key, but I will keep in it mind on other cases--

 

[raisincharlie]

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1381989/

new article 15 minutes ago

Seems to me that more than likely, this is the hold up on this case. It appears that the discovery of this failure by the ME to collect what was checked/requested was brought to LE's attention after the fact or during the assembly of the evidence and there is a possibility that the clothing is now being tested.

It also seems the ME's office is now in CYA mode...

Thanks Athy - would you post your link in the media thread in the sticky at the top?

 

[spring]

Seems to me that more than likely, this is the hold up on this case. It appears that the discovery of this failure by the ME to collect what was checked/requested was brought to LE's attention after the fact or during the assembly of the evidence and there is a possibility that the clothing is now being tested.

It also seems the ME's office is now in CYA mode...

Thanks Athy - would you post your link in the media thread in the sticky at the top?

charlie, would testing her clothes show it? maybe there was nothing on her clothes and so they didn't need to do the kit?

 

[j2mirish]

charlie, would testing her clothes show it? maybe there was nothing on her clothes and so they didn't need to do the kit?

another question I have, is this something that can be "retraced" if the body is exhumed ( sp ) ?
sami???

 

[raisincharlie]

charlie, would testing her clothes show it? maybe there was nothing on her clothes and so they didn't need to do the kit?

As I recall Michelle did have on under garments, I suspect there is indeed a possibility that the undergarments would be useful but I am not convinced that this method would suffice to remove reasonable doubt. They will need some other very convincing evidence to overcome it - such as the perp's blood, fingerprints in Michelle's blood or on the murder weapon(s) or something of that nature.

In the previous article the ME - Butts said they do SA kits when a victim falls into one of three categories - there is evidence of SA at the scene, on the body, or when LE requests it. LE requested it but it was not done - one has to wonder if there was evidence at the scene and on the body that would overcome the doubt concerning an SA.

Seems to me the ME royally messed up...unless he took a swab and checked for sperm under a microscope as a quick check and found none. Something is going on here IMO.

 

[athy]

it seems ME messed up but i look at it this way. all her injuries were to the head except for the defensive wounds. she was fully clothed. and at least according to the AR there weren't any bruising on her thighs to show someone was trying to spread her legs (sorry about the details) so if i were a juror, i don't think i would buy the defense side (if they used it) that she could have been assaulted. i've seen women that were sexually assaulted there usually were bruising and signs. while i believe they should have done the kit i can't say that i buy it as a doubt.

 

[scandi]

Hi J2mirish, Great to see you!

Just a memory from early insider posts in the case, and remember the Youngs kept a hidden key out by a door. That tells me they probably most usually locked their doors when they left.

Well, a little Blockbuster for the late afternoon it looks like! I think this was brought to the attention of LE very recently, like in the last day or 2, and I won't even say how I think it happened but do have my thoughts!


Wonder if Jason is going out to celebrate the news at Pizza Hut? LOL :slap:

 

[spring]

it seems ME messed up but i look at it this way. all her injuries were to the head except for the defensive wounds. she was fully clothed. and at least according to the AR there weren't any bruising on her thighs to show someone was trying to spread her legs (sorry about the details) so if i were a juror, i don't think i would buy the defense side (if they used it) that she could have been assaulted. i've seen women that were sexually assaulted there usually were bruising and signs. while i believe they should have done the kit i can't say that i buy it as a doubt.

and i am not an expert in this field, but genitals enlarge during intercourse. i am not sure if it happens the same way in a forced situation, but depending on the timing of that and the timing of death, if there had been intercourse sometime near the time of death, would she still be enlarged? sorry to be so graphic.

 

[raisincharlie]

it seems ME messed up but i look at it this way. all her injuries were to the head except for the defensive wounds. she was fully clothed. and at least according to the AR there weren't any bruising on her thighs to show someone was trying to spread her legs (sorry about the details) so if i were a juror, i don't think i would buy the defense side (if they used it) that she could have been assaulted. i've seen women that were sexually assaulted there usually were bruising and signs. while i believe they should have done the kit i can't say that i buy it as a doubt.

I agree, if there was no signs of an SA and the clothing yields nothing then chances are reasonable there was nothing. However a defense lawyer can and most likely will try to breach the topic (delicately) of consentual sex with someone other than her husband prior to her death. This person then lost it during an argument and the murder was the result. You know a defense lawyer will try it - they would be remiss if they did not but it will have to be done very delicately to avoid alienating a jury. JMO


ETA - Sami please show up and give us some thoughts !