Michelle Young: Pregnant Mom, NC. part 7

[raisincharlie]

Raisincharlie, I went back through and read about the insurance papers and wills. There is no real way to know what they thought was suspicious towards JY regarding the insurance unless they just come out with it. But, I had this thought-what if she recently changed the beneficiary to someone else, besides JY? Cassidy or perhaps her mom and/or dad or sister? Maybe she knew about the affair earlier than we know and she just confronted JY the night of her murder (which is what I think happened). Either that, or perhaps he was going to miraculously come up with a signed bene agreement changing the bene to him? Or maybe he forged her name on a beneficiary agreement, I don't know. I hate all these cryptic clues, and I'm nosy anyway, so I like to know everything!

Anyway, this is a high profile case, and even if the ins. co. didn't have any idea who MY is-I guarantee they do know!!! The insurance company would have looked at this claim VERY closely anway because of the amount. They won't pay $1Mil tax free to just anyone. Especially if that person is a suspect.

Regarding post #296, if Cassidy is the primary bene, the only holdup would be who is going to be court appointed to be her guardian for the $1mill. Again, it's not going to be able to paid out directly to her because she's a minor. And if he's a suspect in MY's murder, the judge may not want to appoint him as her guardian and give him access to those funds that legally he cannot have access to if he was responsible for her murder.

I hope this helps. Any other questions???

BG

Bellgardin,

I find your responses greatly appreciated - I have to tell you I am wondering if it wasn't MY who changed her insurance policy. I recall early in the case that LE went back and took another look at an accident that occurred in May. My was pregnant at that time and lost the baby shortly after that wreck but became pretty much immediately pregnant again. It's got me studying and thinking if MY did indeed know something was going on and may well have adjusted and confronted. Perhaps my imagination is also running rampant but there is a possibility.

There is also the possibility if MY changed things and JY found out, he may have tried to change things back, he might have gotten extremely angry, this could be a two way street. Your explainations and insight IMO open many doors that perhaps we hadn't thought about - so I for one sincerely thank you for the information. More to study on. Since you have seen so many things perhaps you have some more theoreticals we could think about.
Appreciate the food for thought BellGardin - amazing.

 

[Samiya]

Raisincharlie, I went back through and read about the insurance papers and wills. There is no real way to know what they thought was suspicious towards JY regarding the insurance unless they just come out with it. But, I had this thought-what if she recently changed the beneficiary to someone else, besides JY? Cassidy or perhaps her mom and/or dad or sister? Maybe she knew about the affair earlier than we know and she just confronted JY the night of her murder (which is what I think happened). Either that, or perhaps he was going to miraculously come up with a signed bene agreement changing the bene to him? Or maybe he forged her name on a beneficiary agreement, I don't know. I hate all these cryptic clues, and I'm nosy anyway, so I like to know everything!

Anyway, this is a high profile case, and even if the ins. co. didn't have any idea who MY is-I guarantee they do know!!! The insurance company would have looked at this claim VERY closely anway because of the amount. They won't pay $1Mil tax free to just anyone. Especially if that person is a suspect.

Regarding post #296, if Cassidy is the primary bene, the only holdup would be who is going to be court appointed to be her guardian for the $1mill. Again, it's not going to be able to paid out directly to her because she's a minor. And if he's a suspect in MY's murder, the judge may not want to appoint him as her guardian and give him access to those funds that legally he cannot have access to if he was responsible for her murder.

I hope this helps. Any other questions???

BG

No questions BG, just a comment.........

"Welcome to WebSleuths" and "You're a Treasure!"

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thank you Bellgardin.

Are you sure the insurance company would not pay out to Jason?

The reason I ask this is Kathleen Peterson wife of Michael Peterson had a 750 thousand dollar life insurance policy made out to him. He was immediately suspected and then ultimately arrested for her murder. He used her money to pay for a high profile defense attorney, David Rudolph. The reason why I mention this case it too was in Raleigh/Durham NC.

I thought there must be a legal contesting of these funds entered, like Sharon Rocha filed with the insurance company when Laci died.

TIA

Ocean

 

[scandi]

Thanks Bellgardin. It is great to have you here.

Charlie, you may have hit on the reason LE might be thinking the will and insurance papers might shed light and lead them to the murderer! If she did change things behind his back to cut him out, if certainly would be a reason for such anger that is reflected in the murder itself.

Scandi

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks Bellgardin. It is great to have you here.

Charlie, you may have hit on the reason LE might be thinking the will and insurance papers might shed light and lead them to the murderer! If she did change things behind his back to cut him out, if certainly would be a reason for such anger that is reflected in the murder itself.

Scandi

If this is the case, I am hoping that Michelle was not like Laci, I'm hoping she told someone what was going on or at the very least someone noticed something and inquired about it. I'm starting to think more and more, maybe it is just false hope, that MY was not exactly turning a blind eye to things. An awful lot of things changed three months before she was killed if you think about it....JMO

 

[Scout]

Bellgardin,

I find your responses greatly appreciated - I have to tell you I am wondering if it wasn't MY who changed her insurance policy. I recall early in the case that LE went back and took another look at an accident that occurred in May. My was pregnant at that time and lost the baby shortly after that wreck but became pretty much immediately pregnant again. It's got me studying and thinking if MY did indeed know something was going on and may well have adjusted and confronted. Perhaps my imagination is also running rampant but there is a possibility.

There is also the possibility if MY changed things and JY found out, he may have tried to change things back, he might have gotten extremely angry, this could be a two way street. Your explainations and insight IMO open many doors that perhaps we hadn't thought about - so I for one sincerely thank you for the information. More to study on. Since you have seen so many things perhaps you have some more theoreticals we could think about.
Appreciate the food for thought BellGardin - amazing.

Doesn't seem far-fetched to me, rc. One thing that has had me curious for some time now is the confiscation of camcorders and DVDs from the house. Leads me to wonder if Michelle wasn't investigating and documenting her suspicions of her husband for some time. There's more to this case than meets the eye at first glance, imo.

Thanks Bellgardin for your insight and perspective. Very informative.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

 

[raisincharlie]

Doesn't seem far-fetched to me, rc. One thing that has had me curious for some time now is the confiscation of camcorders and DVDs from the house. Leads me to wonder if Michelle wasn't investigating and documenting her suspicions of her husband for some time. There's more to this case than meets the eye at first glance, imo.

Thanks Bellgardin for your insight and perspective. Very informative.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

Scout,

I agree, there is most likely more to this case than meets the eye. There seems to be a lot of evidence related to visual imagery from camcorders (2) to digital cameras to images on cell phones and computers. The incredible silence in this case, the lack of 15 minute famers (except Fussell), false allegations floating about, a husband crossing the line with a sorority sister to his wife, freak accident, immediate pregnancy, job change that coincides with the commencement of an affair, darn this is a long long list...and we know so little.

 

[scandi]

Yes Charlie, and to add to your statement: " . .job change that coincides with the commencement of an affair . ."]/I] and only about 5 months after the accident. That 2 month period of time after the accident could have been when Michelle started putting 2 + 2 together and realized she needed to tighten up. And possibly that was when their relationship really started eroding.

About the affair, we read several statements from 'friends' at CTV that he wasn't faithful and had several others. I don't at all think MM was his first!


Scandi

 

[haypaula]

Yes Charlie, and to add to your statement: " . .job change that coincides with the commencement of an affair . ."]/I] and only about 5 months after the accident. That 2 month period of time after the accident could have been when Michelle started putting 2 + 2 together and realized she needed to tighten up. And possibly that was when their relationship really started eroding.

About the affair, we read several statements from 'friends' at CTV that he wasn't faithful and had several others. I don't at all think MM was his first!


Scandi

Hi Scandi!

With the recent WRAL article released re the info being searched on the hard drive from the Dell laptop, for which a warrant was issued, it appears the motive for MY's murder was financially motivated, as it mentions financial records and correspondence with insurance companies and I recall a will also recently being mentioned.

I wonder if MY either had a will drawn up or amended an existing one, as well as amending the beneficiary on her life insurance policy, following the car "accident" in May? I wonder if JY subsequently tried to amend them electronically using MY's passwords, etc?

I also wonder where JY slept the night MY was murdered?

Here is a link to the WRAL article:

WRAL Link:

 

[raisincharlie]

The WRAL link previously posted about the warrant has been updated:


"In describing what deputies sought with the warrant, Investigator B.T. David said it was a Dell Latitude laptop and "evidence that may aid in the identification of a possible suspect and the motivation for this homicide to include: digital evidence, diskettes, CD ROM, material relating to data used to commit the above offense, 'cookie' data files, Internet browser logs ... financial records, e-mails, instant messages" and several other kinds of computer files."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1116706/


Hmmm - there is a statement here that was not present in other warrants for computers in this case - "material relating to data used to commit the above offense". That is a very interesting statement IMO.

 

[Bellgardin]

Thank you Bellgardin.

Are you sure the insurance company would not pay out to Jason?

The reason I ask this is Kathleen Peterson wife of Michael Peterson had a 750 thousand dollar life insurance policy made out to him. He was immediately suspected and then ultimately arrested for her murder. He used her money to pay for a high profile defense attorney, David Rudolph. The reason why I mention this case it too was in Raleigh/Durham NC.

I thought there must be a legal contesting of these funds entered, like Sharon Rocha filed with the insurance company when Laci died.

TIA

Ocean

Ocean, I can't speak for every company, however neither of the companies I worked for would ever have paid the proceeds under those circumstances. I have heard of that case, but not that familiar that I know those kinds of details. I did do a quick search and found that the prosecutor said in his opening statement that MP stood to gain the money from her life insurance policy (which he said was $1.4mil)-if-he could avoid going to prison for life and bypassed challenges from Kathleen's daughter and first husband. He did say that he received about $347,000 from her pension, 401k and company savings plan. Maybe that's where he got the money to pay for his defense attorney? I also found a story from a local tv station that stated that Caitlin and her father split money from Kathleen's life insurance after a settlement from Prudential Insurance. I'm not really sure about links and stuff, so if I need to I can provide them. I don't really have time to look through everything to see whatever happened with all of that, but I still have a really hard time believing any company would pay him that money, especially since he was convicted.

I wanted to say thanks to everyone for the warm welcome! I'm really glad to be here.

 

[Samiya]

Have a look at this statement below.

Jason Young talked with investigators the day his wife's body was found and later gave fingerprints under a court order, but Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison has said that he has refused to speak with investigators.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1116706/

The word 'talked' is informal. The word 'speak' is formal.

 

[scandi]

HI Haypaula,

What I hope is that if JY killed Michelle, he did something as stupid as what you are suggesting. I think he was a lot of and bull as a person.
And since the murder scene showed high emotion where the murderer overdid the killing with all the blood, I just know there has to be something he did that will be caught by LE to call him on the murder. And it well could be something like you are thinking.

Like we used to say about SP, dumber than a box of rocks. This guy might prove to be equally as dumb if not more so, because he thought he was so smart!

Scandi

 

[haypaula]

The WRAL link previously posted about the warrant has been updated:


"In describing what deputies sought with the warrant, Investigator B.T. David said it was a Dell Latitude laptop and "evidence that may aid in the identification of a possible suspect and the motivation for this homicide to include: digital evidence, diskettes, CD ROM, material relating to data used to commit the above offense, 'cookie' data files, Internet browser logs ... financial records, e-mails, instant messages" and several other kinds of computer files."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1116706/


Hmmm - there is a statement here that was not present in other warrants for computers in this case - "material relating to data used to commit the above offense". That is a very interesting statement IMO.

That's the same updated article I just posted the link to in my above post.

 

[raisincharlie]

That's the same updated article I just posted the link to in my above post.

I realize that but I specifically quoted a section - therefore a link - it is also the same article I posted several posts ago.

 

[scandi]

Hmmmmm " . .material relating to data . ." How would you guys interpret those 2 words when linked like this. What would 'material' be and what would 'data' be?

You guys are sooooooo good I think you might just figure this one out! Looks to me like we may be getting closer to an arrest! If they have this, it should put a big nail in the case.

 

[haypaula]

HI Haypaula,

What I hope is that if JY killed Michelle, he did something as stupid as what you are suggesting. I think he was a lot of and bull as a person.
And since the murder scene showed high emotion where the murderer overdid the killing with all the blood, I just know there has to be something he did that will be caught by LE to call him on the murder. And it well could be something like you are thinking.

Like we used to say about SP, dumber than a box of rocks. This guy might prove to be equally as dumb if not more so, because he thought he was so smart!

Scandi

It might very well be that JY did do something like this. Justin Barber and Neil Entwistle, the computer wiz kids, made the same mistakes, using their computers to search damning info and downloads, and who could forget Scott Peterson using his computer to search info re tidal acitivity in the SF Bay.

The crime scene being as bloody as it was, I imagine JY had to have changed his clothes and washed his hands and face, if not take a shower, which means there are likely bloody fingerprints in the house.

I also listened to the 911 call, and although Cassidy's voice wasn't as clear as MF's and the 911 operator, it surely did sound as though she said "Daddy did it".

IMO

 

[Samiya]

HI Haypaula,


And since the murder scene showed high emotion where the murderer overdid the killing with all the blood,

Scandi

Which is one of the reasons I don't think a hitman is involved.

Pro hits are clean. If they're messy, it's usually because the victim is blown up in a car. Hitmen are in, hit, out. Not in, hit, mess up the joint a bit, out.

They do not allow their 'target' a chance to fight with them.

Even if he talked a 'friend' into it, the friend would've had to have had a severe problem with Chelle to be able to carry it out with the amount of rage involved.

An intruder on the other hand is not going to care at all.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hmmmmm " . .material relating to data . ." How would you guys interpret those 2 words when linked like this. What would 'material' be and what would 'data' be?

You guys are sooooooo good I think you might just figure this one out! Looks to me like we may be getting closer to an arrest! If they have this, it should put a big nail in the case.

Since we can't see the warrant we don't have a way to relate this information. Data used to commit (a murder ?) - interesting thought - must study on that one, doesn't seem to match does it?

Material relating to data used to commit (a murder ?)

Go Scandi !

 

[raisincharlie]

Have a look at this statement below.

Jason Young talked with investigators the day his wife's body was found and later gave fingerprints under a court order, but Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison has said that he has refused to speak with investigators.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1116706/

The word 'talked' is informal. The word 'speak' is formal.

I kind of liked the section that says attempts have been made to get Jy to assist in the investigation but he has refused to cooperate. LE is taking every opportunity to make very sure it is in writting that this cooperation has been nil. Some of these warrants will be in court - enjoy jury !