Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #10

[SpringfieldMan341]

Mike, if this were a sexual/crime of opportunity with "dumb luck" or whatever, then the crime is abandoned or messy when other parties enter the situation. I believe because three ADULTS were involved rather than one or a second easily controlled person (like a child) then I rule out that this was a sexual crime (as a motive at least). The crime data of sexual assaults point to almost always one victim.

To control someone, you need weapons. To kill three people you need weapons and/or ammunition. You need land. You need time digging. You need some kind of plan. You need evidence hiding. If this was "sexual assault gone wrong" then you would see this play out the way Craig Wood's crime played out--the perp captured instantly.

The perps were not only successful in murdering and burying and evidence hiding, but in misdirection.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Mike, if this were a sexual/crime of opportunity with "dumb luck" or whatever, then the crime is abandoned or messy when other parties enter the situation. I believe because three ADULTS were involved rather than one or a second easily controlled person (like a child) then I rule out that this was a sexual crime (as a motive at least). The crime data of sexual assaults point to almost always one victim.

To control someone, you need weapons. To kill three people you need weapons and/or ammunition. You need land. You need time digging. You need some kind of plan. You need evidence hiding. If this was "sexual assault gone wrong" then you would see this play out the way Craig Wood's crime played out--the perp captured instantly.

The perps were not only successful in murdering and hiding, but in misdirection.

And it make you wonder if the misdirection was intentional, or happenstance. Just dumb luck. If the crime scene hadn't been corrupted by everyone who did so prior to police getting involved, would this case have turned out differently? And, was the corruption of the crime scene intentional, or happenstance?

 

[flute4peace]

But think of it this way instead. What if it was a crime of necessity or revenge as opposed to one of thrill seeking. I understand and agree with what you've said about thrill seekers for sure. But if the crime was one of necessity or revenge then it is most probable that they never committed this type of behavior again. In the Necessity scenario more than the revenge. Necessity can only arise on a limited basis, revenge much more than that, as it pertains to character traits of individuals. But if someone was owed money, or someone feared someone was going to talk to police, or if someone felt slighted and had to get even.

Or how about a combination of the two. Someone who has the “necessity “, who is connected to someone willing to carry out the deed for the “thrill”.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

And it make you wonder if the misdirection was intentional, or happenstance. Just dumb luck. If the crime scene hadn't been corrupted by everyone who did so prior to police getting involved, would this case have turned out differently? And, was the corruption of the crime scene intentional, or happenstance?

I agree. Misdirection/crime scene corruption may have been dumb luck. That part is hard to tell. Either way, it benefited the perps for nearly three decades.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I agree. Misdirection/crime scene corruption may have been dumb luck. That part is hard to tell. Either way, it benefited the perps for nearly three decades.

Couldn't Agree More!!!

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Or how about a combination of the two. Someone who has the “necessity “, who is connected to someone willing to carry out the deed for the “thrill”.

Agreed, that might be plausible as well!!

 

[asyousay]

Thank you for sharing. I see this highly unlikely considering the only place there seems to have been any struggle possibly was in Sherrill’s room considering her closet appeared messy and that too could of been from other reasons. I just don’t see in this circumstance that they would not fight.

Also when it comes to adrenaline I find that ones that seek it out need to more than a one and done kind of thing. They usually try and push it further. I know when I’m sea kayaking once I crash through a wave I can not get enough waves.

The problem is we don’t know these women didn’t fight due to the contaminated crime scene. We know LE wasn’t happy with the crime scene and seemed to think it could of been staged.

I am sure somebody better than than me can find the exact quote. Suzie’s room as far as i am aware was also messy as well.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

The problem is we don’t know these women didn’t fight due to the contaminated crime scene. We know LE wasn’t happy with the crime scene and seemed to think it could of been staged.

I am sure somebody better than than me can find the exact quote. Suzie’s room as far as i am aware was also messy as well.

You are correct. It was Det. Asher if I recall correctly, in one of the video stories about the case that said something to the affect of, "It looked perfect......Too Perfect". And we know what that means.

 

[asyousay]

You are correct. It was Det. Asher if I recall correctly, in one of the video stories about the case that said something to the affect of, "It looked perfect......Too Perfect". And we know what that means.

Thanks for backing me up with the quote.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

But think of it this way instead. What if it was a crime of necessity or revenge as opposed to one of thrill seeking. I understand and agree with what you've said about thrill seekers for sure. But if the crime was one of necessity or revenge then it is most probable that they never committed this type of behavior again. In the Necessity scenario more than the revenge. Necessity can only arise on a limited basis, revenge much more than that, as it pertains to character traits of individuals. But if someone was owed money, or someone feared someone was going to talk to police, or if someone felt slighted and had to get even.

I just don’t see how this could be a crime of necessity or revenge. Also think that Sherrill was the target due to the fact she was supposed to be alone that night. If this was a big planned thing you would think they would look into what is going on and plan accordingly. They picked graduation night. Also don’t see Sherrill knowing anything that would warrant her death.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Mike, if this were a sexual/crime of opportunity with "dumb luck" or whatever, then the crime is abandoned or messy when other parties enter the situation. I believe because three ADULTS were involved rather than one or a second easily controlled person (like a child) then I rule out that this was a sexual crime (as a motive at least). The crime data of sexual assaults point to almost always one victim.

To control someone, you need weapons. To kill three people you need weapons and/or ammunition. You need land. You need time digging. You need some kind of plan. You need evidence hiding. If this was "sexual assault gone wrong" then you would see this play out the way Craig Wood's crime played out--the perp captured instantly.

The perps were not only successful in murdering and burying and evidence hiding, but in misdirection.

I would agree that yes sexual crimes are usually a single victim thing, but that is the thing Sherrill was supposed to be alone that night. What happens though when you go from alone to two others surprisingly showing up. Different circumstances change things.

 

[Ozoner]

I just don’t see how this could be a crime of necessity or revenge. Also think that Sherrill was the target due to the fact she was supposed to be alone that night. If this was a big planned thing you would think they would look into what is going on and plan accordingly. They picked graduation night. Also don’t see Sherrill knowing anything that would warrant her death.

Do you think that Randy Little was the architect of the crime?
(Regardless of whether he was the mastermind, I have a hard time believing he would have had the women buried under the PFI parking lot.)

 

[asyousay]

Sherill doesn’t make sense as the victim of this crime considering she was home alone from 8pm-3am give or take.

So if this is about her why did this go down seemingly only when Suzie and Stacey got home?

These girls got ready for bed and Stacey got undressed and put the tv on. All these things indicate that things were fine in that house when the girls got home.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

I would agree that yes sexual crimes are usually a single victim thing, but that is the thing Sherrill was supposed to be alone that night. What happens though when you go from alone to two others surprisingly showing up. Different circumstances change things.

I think only Stacy showing up changed things--the perps were familiar with Suzie and Sherrill. But I believe the plan was "equipped" for at least two. I believe the situation was controlled easily because I believe more than one person was there that night.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I just don’t see how this could be a crime of necessity or revenge. Also think that Sherrill was the target due to the fact she was supposed to be alone that night. If this was a big planned thing you would think they would look into what is going on and plan accordingly. They picked graduation night. Also don’t see Sherrill knowing anything that would warrant her death.

But that's just it. You don't know anything about Sherrill. You don't know for sure what she was into and what she wasn't. Police even said at one point publicly in one of the news releases that "Sherrill had made some poor/bad choices" but didn't elaborate further. And, EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE I have spoken to that had any insight into this case from an "Insiders Perspective", people who knew people, or know people who know more about this case than has ever been released, says it has to do with DRUGS! Period! Not meaning to be contrary at all, but ask yourself this one question. Do you or anyone else "Here" really know Sherrill, or anything she was into? And who knew she was going to be home alone on Graduation night? This wasn't a crime of happenstance. It was planned, executed, and accomplished. And this isn't just me saying this. Talk to anyone who has been around this case and if they are even willing to talk in the least bit, which they aren't really, the only thing they will say is, regardless of what was ever said in the media, this was a crime that involved drugs in one way or another, and that Sherrill got tangled up in it somehow and someone got scared or angry at her and or what she knew. Just basing it off of what I have heard living in this area my whole life.

 

[SpringfieldMan341]

Sherill doesn’t make sense as the victim of this crime considering she was home alone from 8pm-3am give or take.

So if this is about her why did this go down seemingly only when Suzie and Stacey got home?

These girls got ready for bed and Stacey got undressed and put the tv on. All these things indicate that things were fine in that house when the girls got home.

I think Sherrill and Suzie were the combined target. Stacy was the unplanned variable.

FBI Agent Wright says this was a possible unplanned abduction--I wonder if the goal was to get Suzie and Sherrill to shut up/be silent about something they knew--then when Stacy arrived--things had to pivot.

As another Websleuths user said on the Motive thread, the primary motive was likely "silence" as three people who are dead cannot speak. Stacy would be a reason they needed to ensure that silence with murder--if perps were familiar with Sherrill and Suzie, maybe they knew they'd stay silent? Just an observation/suggestion to what happened...

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

I think only Stacy showing up changed things--the perps were familiar with Suzie and Sherrill. But I believe the plan was "equipped" for at least two. I believe the situation was controlled easily because I believe more than one person was there that night.

I agree, I have never thought that Sherrill was the sole target. I think the only Innocent Person in this whole mess was Stacy. Wrong place at the wrong time. Something to think about. Who knew Sherrill was going to be alone that night. Who knew where Susie was going to ultimately end up at that night. Someone knew. Or multiple someones did. I personally think someone may have told someone else where the girls were headed at the end of the night. Just an opinion, but at the end of the road, someone or someone's knew where Sherrill was going to be that night, and ultimately knew where Susie was going to be that night. Something else I will add. Sherrill was invited to the Kirby's that night, but declined and stated that she was going to stay home and work on her house. Not making any accusations, just stating facts. And, only a small group of people knew where Susie was ultimately going at the end of the night too. Again, not making accusations, just stating facts.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

Or how about a combination of the two. Someone who has the “necessity “, who is connected to someone willing to carry out the deed for the “thrill”.

If this had anything to do with a thrill that person would definitely be a repeat offender.

Do you think that Randy Little was the architect of the crime?
(Regardless of whether he was the mastermind, I have a hard time believing he would have had the women buried under the PFI parking lot.)

I have no idea, but doubt it.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Sherill doesn’t make sense as the victim of this crime considering she was home alone from 8pm-3am give or take.

So if this is about her why did this go down seemingly only when Suzie and Stacey got home?

These girls got ready for bed and Stacey got undressed and put the tv on. All these things indicate that things were fine in that house when the girls got home.

With all due respect, you are making assumptions. How do we know that Sherrill wasn't taken earlier in the evening? We don't. And, how do we know that the plan to take the two of them wasn't planed to be executed until the two of them were ultimately together that night. Who knew where Sherrill was going to be that night? Who knew where Susie was ultimately going to end up that night. Start with those facts and work your way out, would be my humble opinion.

 

[irisheyesofblue]

But that's just it. You don't know anything about Sherrill. You don't know for sure what she was into and what she wasn't. Police even said at one point publicly in one of the news releases that "Sherrill had made some poor/bad choices" but didn't elaborate further. And, EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE I have spoken to that had any insight into this case from an "Insiders Perspective", people who knew people, or know people who know more about this case than has ever been released, says it has to do with DRUGS! Period! Not meaning to be contrary at all, but ask yourself this one question. Do you or anyone else "Here" really know Sherrill, or anything she was into? And who knew she was going to be home alone on Graduation night? This wasn't a crime of happenstance. It was planned, executed, and accomplished. And this isn't just me saying this. Talk to anyone who has been around this case and if they are even willing to talk in the least bit, which they aren't really, the only thing they will say is, regardless of what was ever said in the media, this was a crime that involved drugs in one way or another, and that Sherrill got tangled up in it somehow and someone got scared or angry at her and or what she knew. Just basing it off of what I have heard living in this area my whole life.

I have never heard it had anything to do with drugs except on here. The only thing I’ve heard is that it was sexually motivated. I highly doubt drugs because no money was taken.