Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #7

[MooseMeMuch]

The only way I enter a close friend's home, when they are absent, is with a key and explicit permission to feed/water the pets and/or collect the mail, possibly water the plants.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

On another note.....the sequence of events after the 2nd party broke up (by the cops)
Let me digress a bit.
First party was next door to Kirby's. They walk over to Brian Joy's party.
Suzie and Stacy ask if they can stay at his house (vs going to Branson) he says, "Yes"
They stay til @ 11:30 p.m.
They ride with someone to Spfld to a 2nd party at Michelle Elders house.
2 a.m. they ride back to Brian Joy's house with Suzie's friend, Shane Appleby.
"A couple of carloads of their classmates, including Janelle Kirby, arrived at Joy's too. Joy told them they could not stay (at his house).

Here's where it gets 'fuzzy'....
Kirby (only then) invited Stacy and Suzie to sleep at her house, instead. BUT several of the Kirby's relatives were there, so.... Stacy and Suzie said no.
(....They are still at Brian Joy's house.)

Shane Appleby....then drives Stacy and Suzie....to their cars.

(It's after 2 a.m. The 2 young women have already decided not to stay at the Kirby's house.)
Also....
Shane Appleby, "They both seemed happy. Suzie was sick. She had a little stomach ache. She just wanted to go home."

2:20 a.m.
Kathy Kirby.... heard.... (through the wall?) Suzie say to Stacy, "Follow me to my house," and heard Stacy say, "Ok, I will."

End quote. News-Leader, June 19, 1992.

I see a couple of "hinky" things here.

 

[cherrymeg]

Referring to Suzie as “that other girl,” showing up and hanging out in her house after no one answered, answering the phone twice and who knows what else seems like
bully behavior. It’s pushy and disrespectful. If Janelle was so concerned she hung around, why not call Mrs. McCall or alert someone? What did a day at a different water park than they’d planned to attend accomplish?

I think a lot of us have excused things Janelle did because it can be hard to remember those days before cell phones. If they had plans to the waterpark going to the house to pick them up isn't strange. Almost everything else is. I was a teen in the late 90's we didn't have cellphones. You had to call house phones, which parents and other family members answered, unless you were lucky enough to have your own line. Not having 24/7 access to friends didn't mean wandering into a home was acceptable though. It's really rude if they believed Sherrill was home and possibly asleep. If the machine played messages out loud why would you answer the phone? No one is home and no one invited you in. At first I thought it was possible she was assuming they would call (no cell phones) even if they would have known she was there you would let the machine get it and wait to answer until you hear their voice. You would think Mrs. McCall would have their first call and entering an unlocked door to do that would make sense.

 

[Talullah]

Thanks for the breakdown! I was under the impression Janelle invited Suzie and Stacy to stay at her house much earlier-not that it made much sense if the Kirby’s had a house full of company.

 

[Ozoner]

Shane Appleby....then drives Stacy and Suzie....to their cars.

Do we know from independent witnesses that Shane drove girls to their cars? What if he only drove one girl to her car and then tried something with the other one?

Do we know for a fact that both girls made it back to Suzie's house? What if one of them died before she ever got there, and the person who killed her went after the other two victims because he knew the other girl could finger him?

Maybe neither of the girls made it home. Maybe two guys from the party raped and killed them, and Sherrill was the only one actually abducted from the house. Everything else could have been staged.

(N.b.: I still think the women were killed by one of the grave robbers; I'm just trying to think outside of the box.)

 

[cherrymeg]

On another note.....the sequence of events after the 2nd party broke up (by the cops)
Let me digress a bit.
First party was next door to Kirby's. They walk over to Brian Joy's party.
Suzie and Stacy ask if they can stay at his house (vs going to Branson) he says, "Yes"
They stay til @ 11:30 p.m.
They ride with someone to Spfld to a 2nd party at Michelle Elders house.
2 a.m. they ride back to Brian Joy's house with Suzie's friend, Shane Appleby.
"A couple of carloads of their classmates, including Janelle Kirby, arrived at Joy's too. Joy told them they could not stay (at his house).

Here's where it gets 'fuzzy'....
Kirby (only then) invited Stacy and Suzie to sleep at her house, instead. BUT several of the Kirby's relatives were there, so.... Stacy and Suzie said no.
(....They are still at Brian Joy's house.)

Shane Appleby....then drives Stacy and Suzie....to their cars.

(It's after 2 a.m. The 2 young women have already decided not to stay at the Kirby's house.)
Also....
Shane Appleby, "They both seemed happy. Suzie was sick. She had a little stomach ache. She just wanted to go home."

2:20 a.m.
Kathy Kirby.... heard.... (through the wall?) Suzie say to Stacy, "Follow me to my house," and heard Stacy say, "Ok, I will."

End quote. News-Leader, June 19, 1992.

I see a couple of "hinky" things here.

I wonder if something happened at the Kirby house. There was a mention that Stacy and Suzie were supposed to sleep in Janelle's bed and changed their minds. Hopefully out of town guest where looked into. Having their own cars means they really didn't have to stay together.

 

[Talullah]

Janelle, Suzie and Stacy weren’t hanging as a trio if Stacy and Suzie left within 20 minutes of Janelle showing up at Joy’s. It’s hard to imagine inviting someone she referred to as “that other girl” to sleep in her bed. Did Janelle plan to sleep somewhere else? I’d love to know who she went to Joy’s with and if something happened there to make him change his mind about letting Suzie and Stacy stay.

 

[Talullah]

I wonder if something happened at the Kirby house. There was a mention that Stacy and Suzie were supposed to sleep in Janelle's bed and changed their minds. Hopefully out of town guest where looked into. Having their own cars means they really didn't have to stay together.

Mrs. McCall said Suzie begged Stacy to stay with her, and Stacy agreed because she was kind (Disappeared I think.) As far as I know the same people talked to the media. Other people at the parties could give us a better understanding of the dynamics between Suzie, Stacy and Janelle.

 

[cherrymeg]

Mrs. McCall said Suzie begged Stacy to stay with her, and Stacy agreed because she was kind (Disappeared I think.) As far as I know the same people talked to the media. Other people at the parties could give us a better understanding of the dynamics between Suzie, Stacy and Janelle.

I think I watched that episode too. The people that talk to the media control the narrative and what information is out there for the public. It would be nice to know what the dynamic was between the girls. Mrs. McCall doesn't seem to believe that Stacy was really close to Suzie. Parents don't always know everything about their kids. Do you think Suzie and Sherrill are sometimes unfairly seen as the targets? It seems like a lot of articles imply that Stacy had a traditional home life, whereas Suzie was raised by a single mom and a little wilder or had more freedom, hopefully that didn't keep police from looking harder at the people around the girls that night. The behavior of the friends or frenemies is bizarre.

 

[Talullah]

I think if Sherrill and Suzie had family in the Springfield area we’d have a clearer picture of what happened. Bartt, the closest in proximity and blood, was under a lot of scrutiny for his extracurriculars and volatile history with Sherrill and Suzie. His opinion didn’t carry much weight.
Mrs. McCall said Stacy didn’t have permission to stay at Sherrill’s, an unnecessary statement so striking I forgot the question. I can’t imagine the hell she’s endured but as focused as she is on finding out what happened I’ll never understand why it was so important to her for people to know Stacy didn’t normally associate with Suzie.
Teenagers like to choose their friends. I’m not insinuating Stacy was a bad person but I feel sure Mrs. McCall was in the dark about a lot of aspects of Stacy’s life and probably controls any information that may paint Stacy in a bad light.

 

[asyousay]

Just imagine if you are Mrs. McCall and she was probably really angry that Stacey didn’t inform her of her new plans and not only that she probably hates Suzie and Sherrill because she blames them for whatever happened.

I bet if Stacey had rung her and told her that night she was staying at Suzie’s she would of told her no. I get the feeling the McCall’s were a more traditional family.

I don’t buy that Suzie begged Stacey to sleep over either. I think Janis has told herself that to justify in her head why Stacey went with her that night.

 

[asyousay]

I saw this quote from a earlier thread.

"Police have found thumbprints and concluded that the three women left through the front door rather than the carport door of levitt's house. They also have concluded McCall left barefoot." NL July 8 1992

How would the police be able to tell that the finger prints from Sacey were not from her entering the home early that morning?

If the girls were tied up who’s to say they would of left finger prints leaving from the carport door?

 

[MooseMeMuch]

I agree with you fellas!
Somewhere (lots of different sources/places/people) I got the impression that Suzie #1. didn't feel well, stomach ache #2. begged people to sleep at her house #3. from the git-go

BUT NOW... I'm getting a clearer picture of what happened that night.

With the time-line I posted....if it is correct (News-Leader, Spfld paper) Stacy lied to her mom.
Stacy called @ 10 pm....told mom she's staying at Janelle's house. () No.
At 10 ish the girls were going to stay at Brian Joy's house.

Yes, IMO, definite prejudice towards Sherrill and Stacy side of the equation. Like they was po' white trash.
And did Janis see 'amazed' at how much $$$ Sherrill had in her purse? Or is that my prejudice imagination....

 

[cherrymeg]

I agree with you fellas!
Somewhere (lots of different sources/places/people) I got the impression that Suzie #1. didn't feel well, stomach ache #2. begged people to sleep at her house #3. from the git-go

BUT NOW... I'm getting a clearer picture of what happened that night.

With the time-line I posted....if it is correct (News-Leader, Spfld paper) Stacy lied to her mom.
Stacy called @ 10 pm....told mom she's staying at Janelle's house. () No.
At 10 ish the girls were going to stay at Brian Joy's house.

Yes, IMO, definite prejudice towards Sherrill and Stacy side of the equation. Like they was po' white trash.
And did Janis see 'amazed' at how much $$$ Sherrill had in her purse? Or is that my prejudice imagination....

In some versions it seems like Stacy and Suzie did plan on staying at Janelle's but either there wasn't enough room because of visiting relatives, or they decided not to stay there. Janelle having large bed that they could all sleep on was mentioned, it was possibly new. It could have been given to family members that traveled for the graduation. Stacy could have told her mom that even if it wasn't a solid plan or a plan. I thought Janelle or someone else said they were supposed to sleep there. I don't know how reliable that is.
The thing about Suzie feeling sick and/or begging people to sleepover just doesn't add up. If someone isn't feeling good and they may have been drinking wouldn't you drive them home. Stacy could have driven them both and taken Suzie back to her car. They were supposed to be up in within 5 or 6 hours anyway. She could have dropped her off gone back to a party if she wanted or to her house. The guy that drove them to their cars could have just taken Suzy home. My friends did this thing we called a drunk caravan. If people needed their cars the next day, a sober person would drive the car to their house and drop them off, followed by a car driven by another sober person who would take that driver home, back to their car, or to the party. It seems like they both wanted to leave. Or something happened to them and their cars were taken to the Streeter/Levitt house as proof they both left the party.

 

[asyousay]

With the fact they had probably had a little to drink and didn’t leave Janelle’s until after 2am and wouldn’t reach Suzie’s until nearly 3am and up at 8am why go to all that hassle of going home unless there was a specific reason?

I find it mind boggling that after a heavy night of partying the plan was to meet up so early. From the sounds of though this is just Janelle’s version so who knows if there is generally any truth in what she was said.

I would love to know if Suzie was encouraged to go home as part of some kind of a rouse and she asked Stacey to go and she surprising agreed to the plan which signed Stacey’s death warrant.

 

[MAVLEY]

Just a thought.... Janelle and Stacy were good friends. Suzie was "The other girl" according to Janelle. It has been said that she didn't hang out with Stacy much but for some reason that night she wanted her to stay at her house with her. Was there a threat from someone in Stacy's group of friends that scared Suzie? She wanted Stacy to stay with her that night so that whoever made the threat would leave her alone since Stacy was part of that group??

Also, what happened to make Suzie switch plans for after graduation to hang out with Janelle and Stacy instead of her other friends? I thought I read somewhere that she was supposed to hang out with some other friends but her plans changed. Who asked Suzie to change plans? Was it someone who had a plan in place already but needed her at the party??

 

[MooseMeMuch]

wow, good questions, possible scenarios and thoughts!

Suzie's friend, Nigel, did drop off a graduation cake before Suzie left to meet up at Janelle's house.
News-Leader, June 10, 1992 Quote from Nigel.
"I don't know what to say, or what to think about who or what could do this," said a teary Nigel Kenny, 19, who worked with Streeter at........., and quickly became close friends. "I don't know who could be so cruel," she said. "She's my best friend. Why would someone take her away from me?"

IMO......genuine anguish.

IMO.....Suzie and Sherrill would still be here if Suzie had done fun things with Nigel that night. In my own mind, I'm 99.9% convinced.


I'm getting my info from a compilation of newspaper articles...we're not supposed to quote info from other boards but someone went to the trouble (and time) to list a huge amount of info from actual newspaper reports. Quotes from friends and relatives.
If you want the link, just shoot me a message.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

the link is not working......I'd copy/paste the info for you viewing pleasure
It is looooooooooooong

 

[asyousay]

I didn’t realise Nigel was a girl as in the UK that’s a boys name

I am wondering if something went down in the living room. Bart mentioned in the disappeared special that Sherrill would take her cigarettes room to room as she was a chain smoker.

So I’m assuming if she was in bed that night the cigarettes were with her and even if they was in the living room (which Bartt said would be weird) then Suzie at 3am wouldn’t of taken hers out of her purse to put them next to her mums as that’s plan weird.

So why would a rapists/murder take the time to line up the cigarettes in the living room to stage the crime scene? I am assuming a conversation went down in the living room & being in a stressful situation the woman wanted to smoke hence the cigarettes making there way to that room.

 

[asyousay]

I have been reading that about 4am a van was spotted on the corner of S kentwood ave from a newspaper boy/girl. It must of stood out as they would do the route daily.

So would that indicate the perp/perps went to the house on foot and then went back to get the van after he had subdued them?

Could it be the girls were followed from the party and the perp parked around the corner from the home and gave them enough time to fall asleep before making their move?!


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