Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[asyousay]

I am not sure--but certainly plausible. Just saying, it could have been a big Suburban. A Chevy Blazer. Two sedans. Anything. Vans always look suspicious to people because PSAs on TV always talk about a stranger giving you candy from them. They look "scary" to the collective consciousness. Paperboys aren't going to notice a guy sitting in a car as much as he notices the moving van guys in jump suits. Just saying, these tips are very, very weak. And the cause for wild speculation.

I think FBI agent Wright is correct in his assumption that the perps knew the comings and goings. And that a witness the police seek may have been part of an unplanned abduction.

I think the goal wasn't to murder at first--just my opinion. I think Stacy being a surprise led the perps to expedite whatever sick plan they had with the women.

If this Paper boy/girl did the same route for months and months then obviously they will have noticed a strange van parked up and especially at that time of the morning.

This sighting to me is a lot more credible than the porch lady who I think watched to many action movies and I still don’t think she could of possibly heard the kidnapper talk to suzie driving. Its simply to far fetched imo

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

I was a morning paperboy when I was a kid. I can say without doubt, that any vehicle unfamiliar in the neighborhood where you work would stick out like a sore thumb. At 3-4 or 5 AM you don't see many vehicles driving around, but the ones you do see, you will recognize.

Doesn't mean said van person had anything to do with the kidnapping.

If these people knew Sherrill and Suzie and the house, they didn't need to stake out or look suspicious. And since they were never caught, I'd bet they planned it this way and struck at an opportune time for them.

I suspect the call to lure Sherrill out of the house and look for Suzie came from the perps and it was used to get Suzie home.

All they had to do was drive by once and count the number of cars.

 

[asyousay]

Doesn't mean said van person had anything to do with the kidnapping.

If these people knew Sherrill and Suzie and the house, they didn't need to stake out or look suspicious. And since they were never caught, I'd bet they planned it this way and struck at an opportune time for them.

I suspect the call to lure Sherrill out of the house and look for Suzie came from the perps and it was used to get Suzie home.

All they had to do was drive by once and count the number of cars.

If Sherrill was lured out of the house by a phone call then why has LE never come forward with that info?

We know Sherrill had two phones calls that night but LE would surely know by the length of the call if one was a rouse to get her out the home.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

If Sherrill was lured out of the house by a phone call then why has LE never come forward with that info?

We know Sherrill had two phones calls that night but LE would surely know by the length of the call if one was a rouse to get her out the home.

Well, we know JBO called at 9:30pm. But the 11:15pm call mentioned on the SPD website is not known to public. But the time of the call is.

Is the length of the call possible to know? Call data wasn't digitized in 1992, not in Springfield at least. Springfield still used Circuit Switching back then.

We can only speculate.

 

[asyousay]

Well, we know JBO called at 9:30pm. But the 11:15pm call mentioned on the SPD website is not known to public. But the time of the call is.

We can only speculate.

Thank you for the time reference as for some reason I thought it was 12.15am and not 11.15.

Do you think Sherrill was not taken in the home then?

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Thank you for the time reference as for some reason I thought it was 12.15am and not 11.15.

Do you think Sherrill was not taken in the home then?

Three Missing Women | Springfield, MO - Official Website Here's the SPD summary.

I attached the timeline from the 2002 10-year Anniversary article. JBO called at 9:30...no 11:15 call reported. I searched the timelines in other days in the summer of 1992 and nothing about 11:15 there either. In fact, I first heard the 11:15pm call when SPD posted.

I believe Sherrill made it back from Apco/driving in time before the women arrived. Doubt she was abducted or talking to the perps before they arrived. I think that's proven with them getting their makeup and pajamas on and watching TV. Sherrill's bed was arranged in a way that looked like she awoke hurriedly.

 

[Missouri Mule]

My thoughts exactly. Suzie's room was a disaster but her clothes found their way to the dirty clothes hamper....
I've also wondered why Stacy didn't just go home. That's what I would have done, it wasn't as far as Suzie's.

Susie asked her. She was fearful she would get lost at night. That is reasonable considering she had not been in Battlefield previously.

I would strongly doubt she would knowingly put Stacy in harm’s way.

This further reinforces my view that this was a one off incident by a lone male psycho who was fixated one or or both of the girls. He hung around the parties and simply followed them home.

He is obviously mentally disturbed and infinitely evil.

 

[asyousay]

Susie asked her. She was fearful she would get lost at night. That is reasonable considering she had not been in Battlefield previously.

I would strongly doubt she would knowingly put Stacy in harm’s way.

This further reinforces my view that this was a one off incident by a lone male psycho who was fixated one or or both of the girls. He hung around the parties and simply followed them home.

He is obviously mentally disturbed and infinitely evil.

The top part of your quote seems wrong.

Janelle’s mum heard Suzie say to Stacey “Follow me in the car” so Suzie knew the way home and if she was concerned with getting lost then surely she would of told Stacey to leave her car there for the night and they would of rode home together in the one car and gone back to Janelles in the morning.


Also for people local to the area the waterpark the kids were going to the following morning was that closer to the Suzie Streeters home or Janelle’s?

 

[MooseMeMuch]

In anger and grief I could see why the McCalls would be bitter over the Streeters a few months down the line BUT it seems like from the get go Stacey’s mum had issues with Stacey being with Suzie that night which is what I don’t like.

At the end of the day Stacey was a adult and she made a decision and Suzie didn’t hold a gun to her head that night. Whatever happened was horrific and it was just unfortunate that Stacey was in the wrong place at the wrong time. But that isn’t Suzie or Sherrills fault.

IMO

Exactly....IMO all 3 were collateral damage...and I am not convinced it had anything to do with Streeter, I used to think that way but until we know for sure...

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Susie asked her. She was fearful she would get lost at night. That is reasonable considering she had not been in Battlefield previously.

I would strongly doubt she would knowingly put Stacy in harm’s way.

This further reinforces my view that this was a one off incident by a lone male psycho who was fixated one or or both of the girls. He hung around the parties and simply followed them home.

He is obviously mentally disturbed and infinitely evil.

Suzie asked Stacy. Uh, yeah. And I also don't believe Suzie purposely put Stacy in harms way.....which supports my opinion that this had nothing to do with Streeter or Levitt.

 

[HmmWhoKnows]

Suzie asked Stacy. Uh, yeah. And I also don't believe Suzie purposely put Stacy in harms way.....which supports my opinion that this had nothing to do with Streeter or Levitt.

That's a big stretch to think this was a Stacy-centric crime.

A lot of forcing to make that one work...

 

[asyousay]

That's a big stretch to think this was a Stacy-centric crime.

A lot of forcing to make that one work...

Especially if you consider the house looked like it had been searched as well.

The state of the Sherrills bedroom makes me think whoever did this was looking for something specific. Also the rumours of some photo frames being empty as well.

If that’s true it definitely doesn’t look like Stacey was the target.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

The problem is why would different people all say they saw a van?

The van colour may vary but I don’t see why different witnesses would all say the same thing.

I believe the paper boy/girl and it definitely fits into the time line and it makes sense to me it would of parked up a street over so as not to alarm the house IMO

Did the paper man/woman report a person sitting in the van? If not, it was graduation wknd, lots of strangers in town, wasn't that the beginning of the 'van age'?

 

[Talullah]

Taking a third uninvolved and unrelated person could only have complicated things. If Stacy had nothing to do with the motive, why take her? There were and would’ve been opportunities to abduct just Sherrill and Suzie.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

That's a big stretch to think this was a Stacy-centric crime.

A lot of forcing to make that one work...

Maybe it's b/c I'm wary of people blaming the Streeters...all the time... that assumption sure hasn't solved this.
According to Mrs. McCall she thinks since Stacy was gorgeous, the perp could have followed Stacy to Sherrill's.
Her own mother toyed with the idea. Jeez.
Can we keep a civil tone?

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Taking a third uninvolved and unrelated person could only have complicated things. If Stacy had nothing to do with the motive, why take her? There were and would’ve been opportunities to abduct just Sherrill and Suzie.

Thank you Talullah

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Especially if you consider the house looked like it had been searched as well.

The state of the Sherrills bedroom makes me think whoever did this was looking for something specific. Also the rumours of some photo frames being empty as well.

If that’s true it definitely doesn’t look like Stacey was the target.

Who knows though.......18 people had gone through that house.
Mrs. McCall mentioned they were searching for items (anything!) that might help locate the women.
Yeah, I heard photos were missing. I'm thinking (if it's true) they were souvenirs or it was personal.

 

[asyousay]

Taking a third uninvolved and unrelated person could only have complicated things. If Stacy had nothing to do with the motive, why take her? There were and would’ve been opportunities to abduct just Sherrill and Suzie.

I guess it comes down to who people did this

My suspicions are still on it had to be that night and if you could figure out why that night then we would be closer to solving it.

 

[Talullah]

I agree! It had to be that night. Other than graduation parties and Stacy going to Sherrill’s to spend the night what else set that night apart from other nights?

 

[Alexsea]

The top part of your quote seems wrong.

Janelle’s mum heard Suzie say to Stacey “Follow me in the car” so Suzie knew the way home and if she was concerned with getting lost then surely she would of told Stacey to leave her car there for the night and they would of rode home together in the one car and gone back to Janelles in the morning.


Also for people local to the area the waterpark the kids were going to the following morning was that closer to the Suzie Streeters home or Janelle’s?

Agree. I did some property research back in the last thread to try to get a feel for life before Delmar. The house Sherrill and Don owned before their divorce was 3 or 4 miles from the Kirby’s, so it seems like Suzie would have been at least somewhat familiar with the area.