Missouri - The Springfield Three--missing since June 1992 - #8

[Scooby Doo 4U]

And Monkeyman trips a LOT of triggers......not sure as to why though. Was he a suspect at one time? Makes one wonder.

No I have had a couple on-line private conversations with this individual, and Monkeyman was not a suspect. Monkeyman was just a poster from Joplin, who was looking at this case, ended up butting heads with Missouri Mule over various theories, which ended up with Missouri Mule accusing Monkeyman of being a suspect all of a sudden. After reading many of the forums about the Springfield Three, I've seen Missouri Mule do this to several other people. All of a sudden accuse them of being involved in the crime, just because they didn't agree with him. Monkeyman said he was at work the night of the crime and had more than a solid alibi, but said that Missouri Mule wouldn't let it go. If you look at other forums about the Springfield Three, you will see this behavior also directed at several other people who just happened to strongly disagree with Missouri Mules theories on the crime.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Just saw this.......ah ha! Makes sense now. Yes, a man from Joplin was falsely accused and (totally) cleared by SPD.
IMO the main 3 Persons of Interest, have zip to do with the disappearance of these women.
To include Monkeyman.

I don’t recall, subject to being corrected, that anyone from Joplin was ever named. I’m guessing greater Joplin probably has about 100,000 population. It could have been anyone.

What happened is that some informant on “48 Hours” came out of the woodwork and alleged Sherrill was involved in something. This person was polygraphed and cleared. It is believed that the person in that segment was a re-enactment and was not the actual individual. That whole thing was proven as total nonsense. The former prosecutor blew a gasket over the program itself for opening up the very real possibility of lawsuits.

Specifically Clay, Recla and Streeter could have filed defamation lawsuits against the SPD. That is a no-brainer. The other individuals in the program were never named or suspected as suspects.

Had I been any of the three I would have sued and have told them (except for Recla, as I have never communicated with him) they should have sued for defamation of character even today and obvious prejudicial impressions on any jury trial. I still believe they should sue. I don’t know what the Statute of Limitations is but since it is still an unsolved, open case, a lawsuit should be commenced ASAP.

I am unaware that anyone from Joplin was ever named. If that is not true, do you have a name of this person or is that rumor? Please don’t name him if you do.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Just saw this.......ah ha! Makes sense now. Yes, a man from Joplin was falsely accused and (totally) cleared by SPD.
IMO the main 3 Persons of Interest, have zip to do with the disappearance of these women.
To include Monkeyman.

Not the same man from Joplin. The one you're referring to was talked about on the 48hrs video, he was a presumed Joplin drug dealer. Monkeyman was just a guy from Joplin who was looking at the case and butted heads with Missouri Mule over theories on the case. He has a solid alibi. He was at work all night long the night the crime was committed. Hard to be in two places at once, but Missouri Mule insisted he was guilty of being involved with the crime, when in fact he wasn't.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

A young male friend of the girls has given various accounts of the
events he recalls between 8 a.m. and 9 p.m. on June 7. He was one
of those who entered Levitt's house early in the day apparently
looking for the women. "We pretty well cleared all that up,"
Worsham said of the friend's accounts. "He was simply confused on
some times as to where he was." End quote. 8-3-92


The person who wrote this story was talking in the present tense. "A young male friend of the girls HAS GIVEN various accounts of the events he recalls between 8am and 9pm on June 7th."

So why is this issue even mentioned if Worsham felt, "He was simply confused on some times as to where he was". If this wasn't still an issue, why were they even mentioning it." "Has Given various accounts" implies that police didn't clear this issue up, and were still concerned with his accounts of that night. Remember his accounts didn't match JK's. It also sounds like Worsham kind of tipped his hand accidentally when he said, "We PRETTY MUCH cleared that up." Either they cleared it up or they didn't. Not, PRETTY MUCH. It is my opinion that he wasn't being forthright when he made that statement, and that they still had an issue with MH and his statement. Otherwise I would think Worsham would have just came out and said, "We CLEARED that up, and he IS NOT a suspect. But he leaves the statement dangling, and doesn't answer the questions in the affirmative tense. This article was published in the Springfield News Leader, August 3, 1992 in story that was about Resolved, Unresolved issues, and Issues that needed further investigation. The statement Worsham made was in the -Issues That Need Further Investigation- part of the article. So in my opinion this issue was unresolved still when they published the article. JMO

 

[Ozoner]

I concur. And all the cops on duty at that time as well although I don’t believe were involved.

The individual I am concentrating on was not to my knowledge ever seen as a suspect until much later. I see nothing to eliminate him and about half a dozen people working behind the scenes cannot rule him out either.

That is not to say we are in agreement in all things. We don’t.

There are scads of people who can't be ruled out, i.e. anyone who was home alone that night. Is there any evidence connecting him to the crime? Is there any evidence that he had ever met Suzie, Stacy, or Sherrill?

People covet what they see. If one of the girls had a stalker, it might have been someone who had the chance to observe her regularly: a friend's older brother or father, one of her brother's friends, someone who lived down the hall in her brother's apartment building, someone who worked at George's, someone who worked at a business near the Levitt/Streeter home, a teacher or administrator who knew he would no longer have access to the object of his obsession . . ..

ETA: I've lost count of how many times a girl Suzie's age was murdered because she got involved with a married man and then threatened to tell the wife.

Can you really be so sure that an ex of Sherrill's wasn't involved? It could have been a paid hit. Maybe that night was selected because Suzie wasn't supposed to be home.

 

[Missouri Mule]

Anyone know who the lead detective is?

Would appreciate the name and rank.

THX!!

 

[MooseMeMuch]

It’s funny how Mike and Janelle couldn’t keep their stories straight.

Let’s be honest they didn’t exactly have a complicated day. Janelle woke up and made various phones call and went over to the home, cleaned up and then left. She then apprently came back and house still empty so off they go to the water park.

They obviously was having a ton of funny as the police office noted that Janelle was still wet and that was after 9pm I think.

So why did both of them seemingly have a rough time remembering the timing of things and what they did that day?

Rather 'odd' phrasing by SPD.

"We pretty well cleared all that up,"
"He was simply confused on some times as to where he was." End quote. 8-3-92

Where he was and at what times. Funny how SPD let things like 'this' slide...'cleared (all that) up' almost instantly.
While others not at all associated with the women..... were questioned over and over, taken to 2 Grand Juries (County and Federal) and.....nothing. What's that saying......."A Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich if you needed it to."

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Rather 'odd' phrasing by SPD.

"We pretty well cleared all that up,"
"He was simply confused on some times as to where he was." End quote. 8-3-92

Where he was and at what times. Funny how SPD let things like 'this' slide...'cleared (all that) up' almost instantly.
While others not at all associated with the women..... were questioned over and over, taken to 2 Grand Juries (County and Federal) and.....nothing. What's that saying......."A Grand Jury can indict a ham sandwich if you needed it to."

It is interesting isn't it. I mean, all we have to really go on to gauge what they did, is by what is in the news papers, but the more I read, the more I think the investigation was a cluster #$%@, and maybe that's why it hasn't been solved yet. JMO

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

It is interesting isn't it. I mean, all we have to really go on to gauge what they did, is by what is in the news papers, but the more I read, the more I think the investigation was a cluster #$%@, and maybe that's why it hasn't been solved yet. JMO

And I'm going to add, that the news stories from back then even said that some of the Detectives assigned to the case felt that investigation wasn't conducted properly. I think some of them said, that they felt their hands were tied, and that they weren't given the liberty to investigate leads and other issues the way they normally would have. They were given note cards of leads to investigate, but weren't allowed to pursue their leads like they normally would. This is one of the biggest criticisms of this case from what I've read. JMO.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Anyone know who the lead detective is?

Would appreciate the name and rank.

THX!!

I'll bet if you call Springfield Police Department, they would be able to answer that question. 1-417-864-1810.

 

[asyousay]

Normally the last person to see the person last is questioned and yet we have Janelle the last known person to see Suzie and Sherill, first one on the scene and was alone in that house and could of done god knows what in that period of time. Also doesn’t seem like they could stick to the same story and yet not a named suspect as far as we are aware.

 

[Missouri Mule]

One of the areas that has always intrigued me is the report that the cars had been moved that night from where they had been previously first seen. This morning it occurred to me what probably happened.

When the girls came home it is highly probable that Suzie initially drove in from the east side of the house, coming off Glenstone Avenue. After Stacy followed her in I’m speculating that Suzie realized they would likely be blocking Sherrill’s exit that morning since her car was in the carport and Stacy’s car was likely blocking Sherrill from leaving without waking them up.

She went back to Stacy and asked they move their cars to the west side of the driveway and they could sleep in late since that was one of the longest days of the years. There was no rush since Branson was a short drive of 40-45 miles from there. Nigel, said to be Suzie’s best friend has, I believe, was her best friend said that Suzie always parked in the carport next to her bedroom.

If one looks at the photos of the cars one will see that Suzie’s right front tire is off the amply wide driveway. It suggests it was not her usual method of driving directly into the carport. If she did it would have required her to make a sharp left turn into the carport. It is logical she pulled straight into the carport.

The fly in the ointment is that it was reported that Sherrill took the side door key from her as she had left unlocked at one time. Suzie would have been required to walk around to the front door. Supposedly Suzie was provided only with the front door key. It has also been asserted that Sherrill had the doors rekeyed not once but twice. That is not an established fact to my knowledge.

But we can be certain that Suzie only had the front key as one of the officers working the case tole me personally that Suzie only had the front door key and not the carport door key. For a long time I had posited the view the kidnapper kept the side door key to come and go as he prepared the crime scene. That was eventually cleared up when a good friend of Sherrill said that due to her safety concerns she wanted only to come and go through the front door.

For what it is worth, my understanding is that Sgt. Scott Hill is or was the lead detective. I thought perhaps someone might have later information.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

Not the same man from Joplin. The one you're referring to was talked about on the 48hrs video, he was a presumed Joplin drug dealer. Monkeyman was just a guy from Joplin who was looking at the case and butted heads with Missouri Mule over theories on the case. He has a solid alibi. He was at work all night long the night the crime was committed. Hard to be in two places at once, but Missouri Mule insisted he was guilty of being involved with the crime, when in fact he wasn't.

Yes, sounds correct-o. Poor shlep.

And that video looks 'live' to me...if it was a re-enactment.... IMO it would be instigated by LE to cover their tails. Otherwise, waste of time and resources.

I also believe it's a live taping b/c it's so......90s Midwest......Our image was not helped by interviewing 'Asher' aka goat farmer at his double-wide home. Or was it sheep....either way. Didn't help the ol' image.

So the thought of a LIVE broadcast of said lie detector testing....very possible. It's how we rolled in the 90s.

 

[asyousay]

One of the areas that has always intrigued me is the report that the cars had been moved that night from where they had been previously first seen. This morning it occurred to me what probably happened.

When the girls came home it is highly probable that Suzie initially drove in from the east side of the house, coming off Glenstone Avenue. After Stacy followed her in I’m speculating that Suzie realized they would likely be blocking Sherrill’s exit that morning since her car was in the carport and Stacy’s car was likely blocking Sherrill from leaving without waking them up.

She went back to Stacy and asked they move their cars to the west side of the driveway and they could sleep in late since that was one of the longest days of the years. There was no rush since Branson was a short drive of 40-45 miles from there. Nigel, said to be Suzie’s best friend has, I believe, was her best friend said that Suzie always parked in the carport next to her bedroom.

If one looks at the photos of the cars one will see that Suzie’s right front tire is off the amply wide driveway. It suggests it was not her usual method of driving directly into the carport. If she did it would have required her to make a sharp left turn into the carport. It is logical she pulled straight into the carport.

The fly in the ointment is that it was reported that Sherrill took the side door key from her as she had left unlocked at one time. Suzie would have been required to walk around to the front door. Supposedly Suzie was provided only with the front door key. It has also been asserted that Sherrill had the doors rekeyed not once but twice. That is not an established fact to my knowledge.

But we can be certain that Suzie only had the front key as one of the officers working the case tole me personally that Suzie only had the front door key and not the carport door key. For a long time I had posited the view the kidnapper kept the side door key to come and go as he prepared the crime scene. That was eventually cleared up when a good friend of Sherrill said that due to her safety concerns she wanted only to come and go through the front door.

For what it is worth, my understanding is that Sgt. Scott Hill is or was the lead detective. I thought perhaps someone might have later information.

Or the perp moved one of the cars to bring their van onto the drive way.

These girls have been partying all night, up early for graduation I just can’t invasion at 3am them caring about who parked where. Also if Janelle is any indication then the girls were not sleeping in late.

 

[MooseMeMuch]

....and then not return to the house until 7:30pm that night. It just doesn't seem like there was a solid plan to go to white water. At least not JK and MH. Their actions that day just don't make sense. I am fairly convinced at this point, that there is more to that whole set of actions they took, than is being revealed. Question is, what?

Agree....something smells....concerning their 'whole set of actions they took' that day.
And I was under the impression that MH and JK came back, to the house, at 10 p.m. and her outfit was wet which was a 'red flag' to the responding officer. The water park had been closed for hours and Jk's clothes were still wet. Being at the water park was the excuse she gave. No mention of MH's clothing condition, that I've heard about.

I read (somewhere) and could be fiction, where they sat on the Levitt's couch and snacked on chips while waiting for the women. Hope they vacuumed up the crumbs like they swept up that glass.
But again...... it could be just hear-say.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

One of the areas that has always intrigued me is the report that the cars had been moved that night from where they had been previously first seen. This morning it occurred to me what probably happened.

When the girls came home it is highly probable that Suzie initially drove in from the east side of the house, coming off Glenstone Avenue. After Stacy followed her in I’m speculating that Suzie realized they would likely be blocking Sherrill’s exit that morning since her car was in the carport and Stacy’s car was likely blocking Sherrill from leaving without waking them up.

She went back to Stacy and asked they move their cars to the west side of the driveway and they could sleep in late since that was one of the longest days of the years. There was no rush since Branson was a short drive of 40-45 miles from there. Nigel, said to be Suzie’s best friend has, I believe, was her best friend said that Suzie always parked in the carport next to her bedroom.

If one looks at the photos of the cars one will see that Suzie’s right front tire is off the amply wide driveway. It suggests it was not her usual method of driving directly into the carport. If she did it would have required her to make a sharp left turn into the carport. It is logical she pulled straight into the carport.

The fly in the ointment is that it was reported that Sherrill took the side door key from her as she had left unlocked at one time. Suzie would have been required to walk around to the front door. Supposedly Suzie was provided only with the front door key. It has also been asserted that Sherrill had the doors rekeyed not once but twice. That is not an established fact to my knowledge.

But we can be certain that Suzie only had the front key as one of the officers working the case tole me personally that Suzie only had the front door key and not the carport door key. For a long time I had posited the view the kidnapper kept the side door key to come and go as he prepared the crime scene. That was eventually cleared up when a good friend of Sherrill said that due to her safety concerns she wanted only to come and go through the front door.

For what it is worth, my understanding is that Sgt. Scott Hill is or was the lead detective. I thought perhaps someone might have later information.

That doesn't work Mule. The cars reported parked different by someone who saw them earlier that day, and then moved later that evening. They weren't moved until later, much later than after the girls had just got home, but rather later that morning or day. Someone other than the girls moved those cars. And it was noticed later in the day parked that way. It's just a logical that someone else who wasn't familiar with the driveway arch, got the tires half off the drive. Or they were intoxicated when the cars were moved. I would think that Susie had pulled into that driveway many many times, and it would be improbable that she would park her car with the passenger wheels half in the grass. I think someone moved them that was intoxicated, and/or didn't know the driveway that well. JMO based on what I've read regarding the movement of the cars, and the timeline when it occured. JMO. Not trying to be argumentative, just pointing out the eyewitnesses.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Agree....something smells....concerning their 'whole set of actions they took' that day.
And I was under the impression that MH and JK came back, to the house, at 10 p.m. and her outfit was wet which was a 'red flag' to the responding officer. The water park had been closed for hours and Jk's clothes were still wet. Being at the water park was the excuse she gave. No mention of MH's clothing condition, that I've heard about.

I read (somewhere) and could be fiction, where they sat on the Levitt's couch and snacked on chips while waiting for the women. Hope they vacuumed up the crumbs like they swept up that glass.
But again...... it could be just hear-say.

According to the police report, JK and MH returned to the house at 7:30pm, and as you said JK's shorts she was wearing over her swimsuit were soaking wet and dripping with water. But they were suppose to have gone to the water slide much earlier. So where did they go that late that made her shorts and swimsuit soaking wet? Or is this just another example of JK and MH not getting their timeline right???? So many question remain unanswered.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Agree....something smells....concerning their 'whole set of actions they took' that day.
And I was under the impression that MH and JK came back, to the house, at 10 p.m. and her outfit was wet which was a 'red flag' to the responding officer. The water park had been closed for hours and Jk's clothes were still wet. Being at the water park was the excuse she gave. No mention of MH's clothing condition, that I've heard about.

I read (somewhere) and could be fiction, where they sat on the Levitt's couch and snacked on chips while waiting for the women. Hope they vacuumed up the crumbs like they swept up that glass.
But again...... it could be just hear-say.

I read that too. So it begs the question, why did they treat the house like they lived there, when they had NEVER been there. And yes, good catch, there was mention of JK's clothes, buy never any of MH's clothes. So many questions have gone unanswered. So many questions remain left to be sorted out. Ugggggg.

 

[Scooby Doo 4U]

Agree....something smells....concerning their 'whole set of actions they took' that day.
And I was under the impression that MH and JK came back, to the house, at 10 p.m. and her outfit was wet which was a 'red flag' to the responding officer. The water park had been closed for hours and Jk's clothes were still wet. Being at the water park was the excuse she gave. No mention of MH's clothing condition, that I've heard about.

I read (somewhere) and could be fiction, where they sat on the Levitt's couch and snacked on chips while waiting for the women. Hope they vacuumed up the crumbs like they swept up that glass.
But again...... it could be just hear-say.

Actually the original police report says they didn't return until 7:30pm after being their initial trip to the house at 12:30pm. Why did they wait so long to go back to the house if they were so concerned with hooking up with their friends to go to white water. Sounds like the white water story and plans weren't very solid, or possible not true. I'm not sure however, if any of the friends other than MK, JK, and SA corroborated that story. It was never talked about in the news paper stories that I have ever seen.

 

[cherrymeg]

Victim blaming. High school kids party, that does not open themselves up to being murdered. Like saying JFK should have never left the White House and he would have not been assassinated.

No one is trying to blame them. A lot of people have implied or said Suzie and Sherrill attracted danger and brought this on themselves because Sherrill was a single mom, and Suzie had a degree of freedom like living with her brother. The brother was a suspect for a time. If the 3 women weren't together that night would any of them have disappeared? It depends on the perpetrator. It's about looking at everyone the girls saw that night. Finding out who was at what party, what kind of stuff happened at them. Also maybe reconsider any sighting of Sherrill that night.