Misty Failed Polygraph Test

[raeann]

I watched the video, it's still hard for me to believe that Misty is guilty she just does not seem very smart. She comes across very genuine answering the questions. I have a very smart 17 YO and I just could not see her being smart enough to pull something like this off, let alone be able to be questioned without cracking. She cried when she got a speeding ticket. I think Misty has told what she knows. I just feel like we are back to square one and we still don't know what happend to Haleigh. I actually feel kind of sad for her, sounds like she had a pretty crappy life and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. IMO

Yes, so would my daughter cry in that case, but what we must remember is that what we see as normal or expected in our daughters does not in any way apply to Misty. I'm also guessing that your 17 yo daughter didn't move in with a 25 yo man last year, and that she is not off on any 3 day drug binges which include intimate relationships with other known "drug user/dealers". I am guessing that she also did not leave her family home at age 13 by choice or otherwise, and that she continued in school beyond 7th grade. Misty is not unintelligent---she is uneducated! Street smarts can teach you exactly what to do and how to act when you get involved in a mess like this. I think she is being manipulated to protect others, and she is just needy enough to have listened--so far. I am hoping her street education tells her its time to CYA and look out for yourself first. IT"S TIME TO TALK!

 

[nomoresorrow]

Because a 17 year old is not sophisticated enough to stage a crime scene using a cinder block. She wouldn't have even of thought of it IMO. She wouldn't have needed it. If she was going to stage she would have done more. However a perpetrator would not have stopped to kick or move that cinder block out of the way.

If your familiar with the case than you may recall that early on (10-14 days in) Misty claimed that her cousin Jo allegedly messed with her at one time - it was said that this supposedly was cousin Jo's MO; propping doors open w/bricks or cement blocks . . . So Misty could have very well thought of it as she was familiar with the technique. In regards to the sophistication of 17 year-olds; all 17 year-olds are not equal in this respect. Misty would be far more "sophisticated" than many other 17 year-olds when it comes to getting away with a crime. She has intimate ties with several individuals who, based upon their own history/records, have alot of experience in this area. IMO it is not unreasonable to believe that Misty "watched & learned" or may have been previously guided or coached by one or more of those individuals in the past regarding another, altogether unrelated "activity", albeit illegal. Nonetheless she could very well have applied those learned skills on the night of February 9th - early morning of February 10th when HaLeigh "disappeared." JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

And yet, from Misty's own mouth comes the information regarding her cousin having committed crimes before by "bricking the door" as she puts it in one of her early interviews. When staging a scene, one often doesn't quite need the props used for the staging; that's how LE can tell when something is staged. A perp wouldn't have used that door in the first place, given the open exposure to the neighbor's house, no cover, and having to make a mad dash to do any of the prep-work to get into the house. A real perp would have used the front door with the covered screen, taken out the porch light if it was on, and gotten into the house fairly easily and unseen.

But all this has been gone through. I'm sure if you search the threads, you'll find great debates on it.

BBM... Debs thanks, I totally forgot about Misty talking about her cousin and how bricking doors was part of his MO...

 

[raeann]

Perhaps she may not have thought of the idea herself, but I highly suspect forces were called in and rallied round that night to HELP fabricate a story and stage the scene for the alleged abduction...JMOOTS

I would almost bet on that scenario too. In fact, I am leaning toward that is how the bed got made as someone was tidying up to get ready for the 911 call. The typical day in that home doesn't sound like a bed making kind of environment. I would also guess that the only reason they delayed the 911 call till RC got home was because he had "things" that he needed to find and locate and remove. "Things" that he didn't trust anyone else to find or to deal with, as he did not want these things flushed down the toilet or to be discarded and carried out in the trash to someones car.

jmoo

 

[kamky]

Because a 17 year old is not sophisticated enough to stage a crime scene using a cinder block. She wouldn't have even of thought of it IMO. She wouldn't have needed it. If she was going to stage she would have done more. However a perpetrator would not have stopped to kick or move that cinder block out of the way.

I'm not sure that all today's 17 YO's would not be sophisticated enough to stage a crime scene using a block. If the abduction was by someone else, I don't think Misty would have been the one doing the staging, even if she was aware of it or somewhat aware.
IF another family member (other than the cousin) has been abusive towards Misty, then he potentially could be into , hang out with other SO's, be into drugs, etc. He could have stopped by later than night, could have given Misty a drug so she was out of it for a while, could have also drugged Haleigh and easily taken her. An accomplice could have bricked the door. The child could have been taken to another SO even if under house arrest and wearing a bracelet. The family member could have been compensated by money or drugs. Misty could really be clueless, although aware that a family member stopped by. This could explain her LDT explanations. There are many possible variations of such a scenario.

 

[nomoresorrow]

If they had the evidence to support the theory Misty would of already been arrested. IMO

I hate to have to say it this so bluntly but it can't be continuously skirted around (not directed at you texasmommy inparticular, all of us here, myself included) - when HaLeigh's body is recovered many questions will be answered, many answers that LE already has will finally make sense - it is and will be the critical piece of this puzzle. Until HaLeigh is determined to be deceased, IMO LE will not arrest Misty. If, such as in Caylee's case, they had some other substantial piece of evidence, i.e, blood, human decomposition, or a hair with a death band, an arrest could be made and the probability of a proscecution was at least possible but without a body, blood, decomp, hair w/death band . . . the proscecution would be hard-pressed to find a jury to convict with none of the above. More than anything I pray that LE will find HaLeigh, at the very least I hope that LE will find some physical evidence that substantiates that a crime was in fact committed against this child to fill in the missing piece . . . JMO

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Looks like you got the Ramseys wrong... LE cleared both John and Patsy a while back. Too bad Patsy didn't live long enough to see that.

LOL cleared by incompetent Mary Lacy. Both parents are still and always will be under that umbrella of suspecion.

 

[LillieBelle]

Looks like you got the Ramseys wrong... LE cleared both John and Patsy a while back. Too bad Patsy didn't live long enough to see that.

I don't want to get off topic, however I do not believe that LE cleared the Ramsey's. The case has recently been given back to LE to take another look. The DA who made that statement "clearing" them did not speak for LE, IMHO

 

[LillieBelle]

I hate to have to say it this so bluntly but it can't be continuously skirted around (not directed at you texasmommy inparticular, all of us here, myself included) - when HaLeigh's body is recovered many questions will be answered, many answers that LE already has will finally make sense - it is and will be the critical piece of this puzzle. Until HaLeigh is determined to be deceased, IMO LE will not arrest Misty. If, such as in Caylee's case, they had some other substantial piece of evidence, i.e, blood, human decomposition, or a hair with a death band, an arrest could be made and the probability of a proscecution was at least possible but without a body, blood, decomp, hair w/death band . . . the proscecution would be hard-pressed to find a jury to convict with none of the above. More than anything I pray that LE will find HaLeigh, at the very least I hope that LE will find some physical evidence that substantiates that a crime was in fact committed against this child to fill in the missing piece . . . JMO

It is very frustrating that if one is able to conceal a body, they are "home free"... I understand the issues, but it is just not right...You can't find them- so I am innocent? Like I have said before, if Caylee hadn't been found, the A's would still be on talk shows, and in Calif. "looking for her and the nanny".

 

[lil momma]

It is very frustrating that if one is able to conceal a body, they are "home free"... I understand the issues, but it is just not right...You can't find them- so I am innocent? Like I have said before, if Caylee hadn't been found, the A's would still be on talk shows, and in Calif. "looking for her and the nanny".

ITA LillieBelle!!!

It is kind of like "it is only illegal if you get caught" type thing....

 

[LillieBelle]

ITA LillieBelle!!!

It is kind of like "it is only illegal if you get caught" type thing....

Right, like Misty saying she was at home, because she passed the LDT! (well, she thought she did)

 

[Muffet]

To keep apples with apples, here are the LDT questions:

• Question: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh's disappearance?
  Answer: No
  Result: 99% deception
  
  Question: Do you know what happened to Haleigh?
  Answer: No
  Result: 99% deception
  
  Question: Do you know where Haleigh is now?
  Answer: No
  Result: 95% Deception
  
  Question: Do you know who took Haleigh?
  Answer: No
  Result: 42% deception
  
  http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=143962&catid=3

The LDT results don't address who took Haleigh or why. They merely support the conviction that Misty knows what happened to Haleigh, where she is, is not quite sure who took her, and is not telling all she knows.

I don't see a way that the validity of any of these results could be attacked or Misty's honesty supported, even if we had clear proof that Misty had no motive, did not kill Haleigh, and did not set a block at the door.
All of those could be true, and the LDT results also stand 100% true that Misty is lying.

So far, except for the well-known statistical possibility of LDTs being wrong, I have seen no apples to apples, logical argument against those test results being true.

That leaves us with a statistical possibility to consider. For me, since the results are consistent with other evidence, and I trust that Tim Miller, the FBI, and LE are aware of the strengths and weaknesses, have information we don't, and that they do want to find Haleigh, and since my own intuition has perceived deception in Misty, I believe the LDT results are accurate.

I don't know what happened, but the most intriguing things to come of this for me was Ron's admitting that the bed was still made when he got home, and hearing that when Misty was told she failed, she told Mr. Miller that she might have seen 3-4 people, but could have been dreaming.

 

[debs]

Right, like Misty saying she was at home, because she passed the LDT! (well, she thought she did)

Misty's statement (worth repeating every time I get the chance!) is:

"I was at home because the test said I was at home." So now I wonder what she's thinking about what this says.....

 

[badme102]

I have said this before and I`ll say it again....Why is it that people equate sophistication, education, and intelligence with crimes committed? That always baffles me to no end.

I am so sorry to say something so blunt, but seriously, how much sophistication, education, and intelligence does it take to intentionally or accidentally murder an individual and get rid of the body?

Also, since others are continuously bringing other cases into this discussion to prove a point, there is an animal named Ottis Toole that had a tested IQ of between 38-54 that was named one of the most dangerous serial killers of all time.
Intelligence, sophistication and education have nothing whatsoever to do with this or any other crime.

 

[nomoresorrow]

It is very frustrating that if one is able to conceal a body, they are "home free"... I understand the issues, but it is just not right...You can't find them- so I am innocent? Like I have said before, if Caylee hadn't been found, the A's would still be on talk shows, and in Calif. "looking for her and the nanny".

I know what your saying LillieBelle but keep in mind, even before Caylee's body was found there was physical evidence that indicated Caylee was deceased AND tied Casey directly to the incident; Decomp in the trunk of Casey's vehicle, a strand of Caylee's hair found in the trunk of Casey's vehicle showing a "death-band." IN ADDITION to that, Casey's lack of reporting Caylee missing and easily proven lie after lie after lie when she was questioned by LE after Cindy finally reported Caylee missing 31 days after the fact . . . finding Caylee's remains, hands down, helped the proscecution to prepare and present a "believable" case to a jury . . . JMO

 

[SuziQ]

If they had the evidence to support the theory Misty would of already been arrested. IMO

Not if the DA is telling LE they need more. Misty isn't going anywhere and a DA always wants a body if they can manage that.

ETA: the DA only gets one shot at proving their case. They aren't going to jump in if time is on their side.

 

[SuziQ]

FWIW about the brick....most houses I know that have a self closing door have a brick or rock nearby. It's a must have with those kind of doors.

 

[RJA00]

Thank you Rjaoo, I think the tape to the link above speaks for itself. Please note that Misty's eyes do not shift or look down, please note that her voice does not waiver from high to low octives. Please compare this tape to that of Susan Smith who had a motive to kill her children. Please note the clearity in Misty's voice when finding the door open. There are 4 possible suspects, the air conditioner guy, the 2 brothers or the cousin. Period. This child was taken by a man in the middle of the night. I think the brother right now it a strong lead.

bbm

that exactly what i was looking for, her eyes shifting down and did not see it once, I was told al ong time ago to watch for people eyes to shift down when telling a lie, I believe she is telling the truth jmo
I believe she is trying her best to remember and she getting confused,
she probably feels a lot of guilt, god knows i would,

god, knows if i ever had to meet my husband at the door and tell him his son was missing, he would of be 100 percent worse then ron on that 911 call . I dont feel that 911 call was fake


all jmo

 

[badme102]

bbm

that exactly what i was looking for, her eyes shifting down and did not see it once, I was told al ong time ago to watch for people eyes to shift down when telling a lie, I believe she is telling the truth jmo

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It always amazes me what people see or rather don`t see when looking at the exact same things. This is the Voice Analysis Video of Misty. I did some screen captures of ONLY the first 2 minutes and her eyes shift a ton. This is only the first couple of minutes of this test.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

FWIW about the brick....most houses I know that have a self closing door have a brick or rock nearby. It's a must have with those kind of doors.

I agree, but remember, both MC and RC say they've never seen the brick before.