Misty gets 25 years - Are you happy with the St. John's verdict? ***POLL***

Are you satisfied with the St. John's verdict?

  • Yes, justice was served.

    Votes: 75 25.8%
  • No, she should have gotten a longer sentence because of the drug charges

    Votes: 6 2.1%
  • No, she should have gotten a longer sentence because Haleigh is still missing

    Votes: 7 2.4%
  • No, I think she should have had a lighter sentence because of her upbringing

    Votes: 22 7.6%
  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 30 10.3%
  • No, MC should have received the same or lesser sentence than RC.

    Votes: 128 44.0%
  • other, I believe that Misty will get her judgement when it is due

    Votes: 15 5.2%
  • No. She should have gotten YO given CR testimonies

    Votes: 8 2.7%

  • Total voters
    291
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  • #141
And Ron's family has no political clout in the area. Ron and Teresa are known scam artists.

I'm told that when Ron was arrested after fighting with Tommy Croslin -- that they had Ron in the interrogation room and Peggy Cones came in there and told Ron that he didn't care about his daughter.

Major Gary Bowling also stated in the Florida Times Union that Ronald wasn't cooperating and cut off his contact with LE. If Ron and law enforcement were so close why did he lawyer up early on and refuse to cooperate? Sounds like Ronald was afraid of law enforcement...

Marie Griffis said this to me on twitter last night: "PCSO IS AWESOME"

So it doesn't seem like Marie has anything against PCSO and are happy with the way they are handling the case. I'm siding with Marie Griffis - they've done a great job.

underlined by me..

Thanks Levi for this information...

If true ...that Ron/TN are known scam artists....that might explain how they can convince others so easily...that is what makes a scam artist sucessful ......is having others BELIEVE their "speil"...their "story they are selling"..

Misty may have been easily convinced by Ron/TN ...to say/do what they wanted her to do....

This is a truly interesting comment.....also...regarding Marie Griffis...
Apparently Marie is very impressed..with what the PCSO is finding out...
Something ....that she is saying ...they are AWESOME in doing...

I guess we will see...soon...as well.....
 
  • #142
I've heard that LE has made it clear to Ron's family that they cannot clear him due to a hole in the fence, and I've heard about the hole in the fence at PDM from multiple sources. Apparently the hole in the fence is located in the back of the building and there is no security cameras there.

Furthermore, Kim Picazio stated on my show that Ron has snuck out of work before and has lied about what time he got to work the night before Haleigh vanished.


Well honestly I have seen so much misinformation put out that I tend to not believe anything unless the police comes out and tells it. I have 'heard' a lot of things too and nothing to substantiate any of it.

How would Kim Picazio know? Was she there when he supposedly snuck out of work the night before Haleigh vanished?

That is mighty strange since LE has said they are satisfied with Ron's work alibi.

imo
 
  • #143
I heard about the security around PDM after Haleigh vanished as well. I also have it on good terms that the cops were called to PDM at one time, because they were afraid that Ronald would come back and do something violent.

Now why would they be afraid that Ron would do something violent? That tells me they knew Ron had a temper and maybe someone at PDM told the police something that could hurt Ron??? Just a thought.

Did Ron ever come back to PDM after he was let go and threaten to harm anyone?

IMO
 
  • #144
Do you have a link Whisper where they hired security afterward?

I have never said they had any affections for Ron. I just dont believe he left the premises that day/night and I dont believe that PDM had a glaring welcoming hole in their fence either.

But no matter how much they liked or may have disliked Ron they could not hold his postion open. The position had to be filled.



IMO

Put 2 + 2 together. The only day Ron intentionally arrived late for work was on Monday, Feb 9th and it is a undisputable fact his workers who worked normal hours left before him. According to Ron's attorney Mr. Shoemaker, Ron worked in the yard that night, the same night his daughter disappeared and LE ruled out a stranger abducted HaLeigh.
 
  • #145
Put 2 + 2 together. The only day Ron intentionally arrived late for work was on Monday, Feb 9th and it is a undisputable fact his workers who worked normal hours left before him. According to Ron's attorney Mr. Shoemaker, Ron worked in the yard that night, the same night his daughter disappeared and LE ruled out a stranger abducted HaLeigh.

And?

Sorry, I don't see your point.

We don't know if this is the only time Ron was ever asked to work over unloading a barge. That would be like saying it was fishy because when Jessica Lunsford disappeared her father just happen to decide to spend the night with his girlfriend.

How do we know Ron arrived late and had never been late before?

I agree with LE it wasnt a stranger and Haleigh wasn't kidnapped either. I think she was killed by Misty who was at home and Tommy came over to assist her with Haleigh's body.

IMO
 
  • #146
This is complicated.

Justice was NOT served for HaLeigh. Justice may have been served to punish drug offenders.

Misty did not act as an 'innocent' in the case of HaLeigh missing, she never did cooperate fully with anyone and has remained stubborn despite the pressure and stakes. This speaks volumes about what Misty knows and who she is protecting - however - this case was not about HaLeigh.

Misty did become extremely involved in the small-time drug running and while I do not consider her a bona fide 'trafficker', if you will -- she was well on her way towards that goal.

Given that Ron got some charges dropped and a lighter sentence as part of a plea deal it is only fair to argue that Misty should have gotten the same. However, given her lack of cooperation with LE, if she embarassed them recently with the failed Shell Harbor dock search and, if there are indicators that Misty is the perp with HaLeigh then ... it is hard to offer a plea deal or cut a break given the situ.

Misty has massively given LE the runaround, embarassed them and, hasn't given them (or FBI) the needed goods if Ron and the Cummings are involved -- I blame Fields as well as Misty. Fields needed to take Misty to task and put together a strategy like Shoemaker to compete for the better plea deal. Misty was basically allowed to take the fall.

It is complicated though in that if Misty is more directly involved in HaLeigh's demise then it is hard to deal for a lighter sentence on the drugs and, while the two are not connected and should not be connected -- are hard to disconnect.

Misty was punished both for her emerging career in drug trafficking as well as her role, lack of cooperation in the HaLeigh case. If Ron is the perp and Misty is/was just protecting him then she was played big-time and it is going to be tough to switch that around.

Now Misty has had a taste of the first 25-year sentence maybe, just maybe she will come clean for the next sentencing ... I doubt it though. It is looking very much like whatever happened Misty is going to implicitly take the fall and it is impossible to dig out from that now.
 
  • #147
Put 2 + 2 together. The only day Ron intentionally arrived late for work was on Monday, Feb 9th and it is a undisputable fact his workers who worked normal hours left before him. According to Ron's attorney Mr. Shoemaker, Ron worked in the yard that night, the same night his daughter disappeared and LE ruled out a stranger abducted HaLeigh.

Good point!...If true ...that Ron DID have access to the yard while at work that night...and if true..he did have access to a place in the fence he could exit for awhile..and not be seen....and if true...the LE has decided it was not a stranger that took her.....suspicion seems to point in the direction of Ronald Cummings...where was he ..if he left for awhile???

all good points!!!

imo
 
  • #148
Did LE say they were satisfied that RC's alibi was true, or just that were satisfied with his alibi? There could be a difference, if they are into double-speak down there...
 
  • #149
Good point!...If true ...that Ron DID have access to the yard while at work that night...and if true..he did have access to a place in the fence he could exit for awhile..and not be seen....and if true...the LE has decided it was not a stranger that took her.....suspicion seems to point in the direction of Ronald Cummings...

all good points!!!

imo

It does?:waitasec:

And Ron gets a good plea deal while Misty gets 25 years?

I don't think the direction is pointing to Ron Cummings.

They aren't asking RCs where Haleigh's body is.

They aren't asking Misty where Ron put Haleigh's body.

They are asking Misty to lead them to where Haleigh's body is.

IMO
 
  • #150
It does?:waitasec:

And Ron gets a good plea deal while Misty gets 25 years?

I don't think the direction is pointing to Ron Cummings.

They aren't asking RCs where Haleigh's body is.

They aren't asking Misty where Ron put Haleigh's body.

They are asking Misty to lead them to where Haleigh's body is.

IMO

OBE..you make good points as well...

Speaking for myself...and only myself...I am not priviledged to know any/some/all the questions that the LE have asked Ron.and Misty..

I am not in their PD or in their interrigation room to know that....

How do you know ...how would you know.....ABSOLUTELY ...WITH CERTAINTY...what questions they have/or have not asked the both of them???? How

I am of the belief the LE are trying their best to solve this case...

Be patient...This is not over yet......

imo..
 
  • #151
I've heard that LE has made it clear to Ron's family that they cannot clear him due to a hole in the fence, and I've heard about the hole in the fence at PDM from multiple sources. Apparently the hole in the fence is located in the back of the building and there is no security cameras there.

Furthermore, Kim Picazio stated on my show that Ron has snuck out of work before and has lied about what time he got to work the night before Haleigh vanished.

Thanks so much Levi.....you are awesome! I'm glad we have you on this case...and you do not have blinders on when it comes to the Cummings....may God continue to bless you for all that you do....it is an honor to be able to communicate with you on this forum....

Go Levi! :woohoo:
 
  • #152
OBE..you make good points as well...

Speaking for myself...and only myself...I am not priviledged to know any/some/all the questions that the LE have asked Ron.and Misty..

I am not in their PD or in their interrigation room to know that....

How do you know ...how would you know.....ABSOLUTELY ...WITH CERTAINTY...what questions they have/or have not asked the both of them???? How

I am of the belief the LE are trying their best to solve this case...

Be patient...This is not over yet......

imo..

Well, Justus4all...you spoke for me too..LOL

NO ONE knows what LE asked Misty or Ron....I would love to hear it though...because whatever LE said to Ron...he didn't like it.....which is why he stop cooperating with them....I wouldn't be surprise if they accused him of murdering Haleigh....because 6 months later when Ron did decide to talk...he had to have a criminal defense attorney with him.....that tells me that Ron's last conversation with LE prior to getting Shoemaker.....was not good...

JMO of course
 
  • #153
OBE..you make good points as well...

Speaking for myself...and only myself...I am not privileged to know any/some/all the questions that the LE have asked Ron.and Misty..

I am not in their PD or in their interrogation room to know that....

How do you know ...how would you know.....ABSOLUTELY ...WITH CERTAINTY...what questions they have/or have not asked the both of them???? How

I am of the belief the LE are trying their best to solve this case...

Be patient...This is not over yet......

imo..

Thank goodness patience is one of my best virtues.

I do believe LE is trying to solve this case and I do have faith they will do so.

However; I no longer believe that we will ever see Misty Croslin tell the truth as to what she really did to Haleigh or what Tommy's role really was that night.

So if LE solves Haleigh's case they will do it on their own now. I think they have washed their hands of Misty and Tommy Croslin.

IMO
 
  • #154
Kat, I believe the sentence was just only in comparison to the sentencing of the others. I do not think Ron should have had charges dropped; I think he should be doing as much or more time than Misty, but he got his minimum and so did she. But I do not feel that a 25-year mandatory sentence is appropriate for Misty's offense.

I do not like Misty. I do not like one single thing about her. I cannot forgive her lies and what she tried to do to her cousin Joe is reprehensible. Plus, there is a possibility that Misty harmed Haleigh; without knowing the facts that LE has, we cannot be sure that she didn't. I am glad Misty is off the streets, mainly because I would not want to see her having babies. I realize that is not my call, but I don't care; I would fear for any child that had Misty as a mother.

The problem I have with Misty's 25-year sentence is that others charged with similar crimes do not get that much time. And they do not have such high bond amounts that they languish in jail for nearly a year before sentencing. I am not talking about the other players here; I am talking about a host of other drug dealers who go through the revolving doors in Florida. On top of that, sex offenders--even those who prey on children--do not have mandatory minimum sentences and often their charges have mandatory maximums that are not as high as Misty's minimum!

I want Misty in prison; she belongs there. She did the crime and she should do time for it. But 25 years is ridiculous! Misty's crime was non-violent. And whether or not Misty was involved in another crime should have no bearing whatsoever.

In my state, Misty's sentence would have been about one year, and she would have gotten credit for time served. Even a repeat offender in my state would only get around four years. An ex-con might get eight years. A woman in my state killed a man while driving drunk, left the scene, then lied to LE about it for weeks. She was eventually convicted of vehicular homicide and hit-and-run. Her sentence was four years, and she will be out in three.

I know it doesn't matter what other states do, but there are inequities in sentencing for drug offenses in Florida, and that is the reason I think Misty has a decent chance of winning on appeal. If the mandatory minimums are in fact mandatory, there should be no inequities.

I do not think Misty should skate, but she should not go down for 25 years for crying out loud! Misty might come out of prison in ten years with her GED, some type of vocational training, and a hard lesson learned. In 25 years, she will just come out hardened and bitter.

JMO.

BBM

If Misty hadn’t been arrested for drug trafficking, I think she would have kept dealing drugs for a living but after she was arrested and isolated for almost a year, I believe Justice was served.

What bothers me is the fine the Judge imposed upon her. I heard someone mention she will have to pay it so she will never be able to live a normal life when she is released from prison. No one will marry her because of the debt she owes and if she does obtain an education in prison, AFAIK all the money she earns will go towards paying her fine.

What are the chances someone will come forward like they did for Crystal Sheffield and pay it off for her? If her fine went away, I think she could resume a normal life when she is released, but if not, her future is very bleak and that is what I call a death sentence.
 
  • #155
I dont know if this link has already been posted but somehow if it was I missed it.

http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2010-10-09/croslin-gets-25-years#1

Assistant State Attorney Jason Lewis urged Berger to give Croslin the maximum term.

FDLE Agent Travis Smith had portrayed Croslin as the "bigger fish" who doesn't get offered a deal by the state.

"She's been moving an enormous amount of prescription pills in our community," said Smith. "Misty Croslin initiated all the drug transactions."
 
  • #156
I voted she'll get hers when its due...if not on this earth, then by God, IMO.
Because I will believe she knows what happened to that Haleigh until I am 100% proved otherwise.
And I am so sick and tired of these different stories we here every week not just from her but every freaking one of them. I used to get excited when a new "story" came out, now I just blow it off...
These people have NO shame, no decency to care about a poor sweet little girl who lays God knows where, and that is just MOO as I do believe this precious girl is dead.
 
  • #157
Good point!...If true ...that Ron DID have access to the yard while at work that night...and if true..he did have access to a place in the fence he could exit for awhile..and not be seen....and if true...the LE has decided it was not a stranger that took her.....suspicion seems to point in the direction of Ronald Cummings...where was he ..if he left for awhile???

all good points!!!

imo

Terry Shoemaker said Ron worked in the yard that night.

Does anyone know what the fence was made of? If Ron wanted to make a hole in the fence, he could do that.

Hindsight is 20/20 but if Ron was the only person who went through the hole in the fence, his workboot should have made a fresh imprint on the ground.
 
  • #158
Respecfully snipped.

I doubt he would be left alone at such a large company without a supervisor on duty. If he was unloading the barge then the heavy duty machinery he used to do so would be loud. That just doesn't seem feasible to me. My son works for civil service and he is in management. He cannot leave, no matter what time it is, until all of his workers are gone and yes, he knows their location at all times and what they are doing. It is his job to know.

WRT. Do you have a link that shows that Ron was unloading a barge? IIRC that night was a night that Ron was doing 'odd jobs' and was out and about in the backlot (back 40 acres in the dark) so even if there was a supervisor around he'd be in the office and not wandering the 'yard' checking on employees activities. Just because you are 'onsite' does not mean you know what folks are doing. Typically.

I don't believe Chelsea about the hole in the fence either. That is just convenient rumor mongering trying to make Ron "fit." No company that has millions upon millions of dollars worth of equipment and tools lets a hole remain in their fence.

Hmmm, it is big equipment that you would not try to sneak out through a hole in the fence but ... most companies have mutual agreements to take turns sleeping part of the shift or skipping off for a break 'offsite'. I am certain it wasn't that strict that Ron or others needed 'permission' as long as work got done and the supervisor looked good.


So I think long ago LE knows there are security cameras on the yard as well toward the employee parking lot area too and imo they also know that a fingerprint scan has to be used to gain entrance and exit.

PDM is a large facility and the back lot (back 40) is 40 acres right? So I don't see how PDM cover the entire facility with security cameras or need to and Ron will know where they are, for when folks normally goof off.

Also, IIRC the fingerprint scan was discussed endlessly and was added after this incident IMO. Do you have a link that shows the fingerprint scan was in place on Feb 9?


For PDM to go through all those security measures does not comport with Chelsea's tale that PDM had a hole in their fence. It seems they were very vigilant on security which they should be. If not secured they have many materials that could be used by terrorists or anyone up to no good to make a bomb.

Like Chelsea's speculation and recollections this is also pure counter speculation, right?

If Ron Cummings had left without permission that day then PDM wouldn't have waited to fire him two months later when he didn't return to work after Haleigh went missing.

I am certain they all took turns, at times, to take sleep breaks or go on messages or beer runs .... we are talking about humans and night shifts after all. You don't do overtime into 3 am without some fun and distractions everyone is involved in IMO.

IMO

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  • #159
Wow, just heard about Misty's sentence...25 years and they are not done yet. The scales of justice are not exactly balanced down there, IMO.
 
  • #160
Comments embedded in red. Thanks.

Man, I have a hard time replying when the post is within my own post cyber and with my tired eyes the red is hard to see but I will try to answer your questions as best as I can.

No I don't have a link. I read it here that he was suppose to be unloading a barge and no one unloads a barge in the dark. In fact no one works in the dark unless it is the men who work for the power company and the lights are out. Bright lights are always on. If not that would be a safety hazard. Lighting is a necessity. Tall poles with halogen lights illuminate yards once the sun goes down. It also is done so when the police come by checking they can easily see anyone who may be out on the yard that may be trying to steal something and take it from the yard.

We really don't know where the supervisor was. He easily could have been down at the barge supervising the unloading of the barge.

I have no clue what you mean by this part.

"Hmmm, it is big equipment that you would not try to sneak out through a hole in the fence but ... most companies have mutual agreements to take turns sleeping part of the shift or skipping off for a break 'offsite'. I am certain it wasn't that strict that Ron or others needed 'permission' as long as work got done and the supervisor looked good."

I have never heard of a bridge construction company affording their workers naptimes. And I certainly have never heard of a company allowing beer runs to be made on their property if they value their jobs and livelihood. From what I gather this is a prominent outfit who does work for the government including NASA. To qualify to do that they have to have strict rules in place and must be an alcohol and drug free workplace.

This is not the kind of company that is pouring concrete in driveways or home foundations. The bridges they build are massive and every bridge company I have ever known that is under government contracts is strict with their guidelines and what they expect of all of their employees. If something went wrong due to alcohol., drugs or plain negligence they could be stripped of their ability to bid government jobs. That would be devastating to a company that does this type of work with local, state and the federal government. So no, I don't think it was feasible they were paying them to take naps, go for beer runs or whatever.

The heavy duty equipment is not the only million dollar assets they have. There are all sorts of highly expensive tools on a bridge construction yard plus racks and racks of oxygen, acetylene and expensive huge welding machines. The list goes on and on... from semis to haul the precast H or I- beams, pick up trucks, and concrete mixer trucks that go out to the bridge span to off load concrete at the bridge site . No reputable company leaves a glaring hole in their fence welcoming thugs to come in to take what they have.

Since I had never heard of PDM before this of course I don't have a link to what security system they had before. However I don't think Ron's lawyer would mention what they have now if it wasnt the same system that was there when Ron worked there. It would make no sense for Shoemaker to comment on what they just installed when he was referring to Ron and him working there. I also have not seen a link that PDM did not have this system in place when Ron worked there.

And to answer this.

"Like Chelsea's speculation and recollections this is also pure counter speculation, right?"

It is absolutely not speculation. I worked for a large bridge company for 20 years. We had notices sent to us continuously by the government to make sure our oxygen, acetylene and all other bottled gases on the property were kept under tight security so they would not fall into the wrong hands. We had a large work yard too (acres and acres) and it was all fenced in with a 12foot high fence with razor wire at the top. Employees had to go into the gate inside the yard to park their vehicles and the gate had a key pad where a code had to be entered to open it up and the code had to be reentered when we were exiting the yard. When the OSHA inspectors came unannounced they always inspected our security measures.

We occasionally would have someone cut the fence with fence cutters and stole items on the yard. The yard foreman walked the fence line everyday checking it. When he found a disruption in the fence he immediately called the police to come out and after they did their investigation the fence was immediately fixed.

IMO
 
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