Misty gets 25 years - Are you happy with the St. John's verdict? ***POLL***

[White Rain]

Wow, just heard about Misty's sentence...25 years and they are not done yet. The scales of justice are not exactly balanced down there, IMO.

Nope, they don't seem balanced but I cannot seem to bring myself to feel sorry for one single one of them...
Just MOO but Misty knows what happened....she could have come clean with the TRUTH a LONG time ago and gotten herself a better deal...IMO she has chosen to tell a "different" story every few months, none of which pans out...
Everytime we seem to get some "big news" from this story it turns out to be nothing.
I am sick of it. There is a little girl's life at stake here.
If Misty got a worse deal than the rest so what? I don't care if it brings poor Haleigh home....not that it will at this point, I guess.
Misty showed no sympathy towards this poor baby when she was making drug deals...
"baby this" and "baby that" what about baby Haleigh?
Who cares if Ronald, Tommy and the rest got better deals? IMO they'll (at least Tommy and Ronald) be in and out of prison all their lives anyway.
MOO

 

[cyberborg]

Man, I have a hard time replying when the post is within my own post cyber and with my tired eyes the red is hard to see but I will try to answer your questions as best as I can.

No I don't have a link. I read it here that he was suppose to be unloading a barge and no one unloads a barge in the dark. In fact no one works in the dark unless it is the men who work for the power company and the lights are out. Bright lights are always on. If not that would be a safety hazard. Lighting is a necessity. Tall poles with halogen lights illuminate yards once the sun goes down. It also is done so when the police come by checking they can easily see anyone who may be out on the yard that may be trying to steal something and take it from the yard.

We really don't know where the supervisor was. He easily could have been down at the barge supervising the unloading of the barge.

I have no clue what you mean by this part.

"Hmmm, it is big equipment that you would not try to sneak out through a hole in the fence but ... most companies have mutual agreements to take turns sleeping part of the shift or skipping off for a break 'offsite'. I am certain it wasn't that strict that Ron or others needed 'permission' as long as work got done and the supervisor looked good."

I have never heard of a bridge construction company affording their workers naptimes. And I certainly have never heard of a company allowing beer runs to be made on their property if they value their jobs and livelihood. From what I gather this is a prominent outfit who does work for the government including NASA. To qualify to do that they have to have strict rules in place and must be an alcohol and drug free workplace.

This is not the kind of company that is pouring concrete in driveways or home foundations. The bridges they build are massive and every bridge company I have ever known that is under government contracts is strict with their guidelines and what they expect of all of their employees. If something went wrong due to alcohol., drugs or plain negligence they could be stripped of their ability to bid government jobs. That would be devastating to a company that does this type of work with local, state and the federal government. So no, I don't think it was feasible they were paying them to take naps, go for beer runs or whatever.

The heavy duty equipment is not the only million dollar assets they have. There are all sorts of highly expensive tools on a bridge construction yard plus racks and racks of oxygen, acetylene and expensive huge welding machines. The list goes on and on... from semis to haul the precast H or I- beams, pick up trucks, and concrete mixer trucks that go out to the bridge span to off load concrete at the bridge site . No reputable company leaves a glaring hole in their fence welcoming thugs to come in to take what they have.

Since I had never heard of PDM before this of course I don't have a link to what security system they had before. However I don't think Ron's lawyer would mention what they have now if it wasnt the same system that was there when Ron worked there. It would make no sense for Shoemaker to comment on what they just installed when he was referring to Ron and him working there. I also have not seen a link that PDM did not have this system in place when Ron worked there.

And to answer this.

"Like Chelsea's speculation and recollections this is also pure counter speculation, right?"

It is absolutely not speculation. I worked for a large bridge company for 20 years. We had notices sent to us continuously by the government to make sure our oxygen, acetylene and all other bottles gases on the property were kept under tight security so they would not fall into the wrong hands. We had a large work yard too (acres and acres) and it was all fenced in with a 12foot high fence with razor wire at the top. Employees had to go into the gate inside the yard to park their vehicles and the gate had a key pad where a code had to be entered to open it up.

We occasionally would have someone cut the fence with fence cutters and stole items on the yard. The yard foreman walked the fence line everyday checking it. When he found a distruption in the fence he immediately called the police to come out and after they did their investigation the fence was immediately fixed.

IMO

Thanks for your thorough and very responsive post. :blushing:

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Your post suggests the the glass is half full when it comes to Ron, his work and, his work hours. My opinion is that the glass is half empty and we do not yet have the clarity, the answers, we do not have anything definitive from LE and, even Shoemaker conceded that Ron only moved from the top of the suspect list to the bottom. I take anything Shoemaker says as pure spin to defend Ron ... so when he admits Ron is still considered a suspect then there is a basis for that admission.

There is still much confusion over Ron's shift that night and if he was able to place 25-90 calls/texts early on that night then ... he was not that busy or closely monitored. IMHO.

For me the Jury is still out on Ron and so I cannot be overly optimistic about his alibi ... yet. I broke my rose colored spectacles when I first researched this case and there are so many pieces that I question and doubt before I believe anyone. Skepticism is my middle name.

 

[Crosby87]

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The above link contains pictures of PDM Bridge. The fence that I see isn't very high and with logs stacked against it, Ron could easily jump the fence IMO if there was no hole in it. JMO

Terry Shoemaker did say Ron performed odd jobs Monday night which means he moved about from place to place in the large yard and no one would suspect anything if they lost sight of him. Yet Shoemaker said because Ron was seen in the cafeteria that night, he was at work all night.

The thumb print system was installed after Ron left. Kim Picazio said Ron could have left and come back to punch out which is certainly true.

LE said they don't believe Misty was at home or doing what she said she was doing Monday evening and there are inconsistencies in her story.

Why haven't LE cut to the chase and asked Junior ...... "Was Misty sleeping when the man in black took HaLeigh?" and cleared this up by now? This is a very simple question that he would answer honestly. Junior has no reason to lie and apparently he can be counted on to tell the truth.

Many people besides Chelsea and Junior saw Ron dressed in black when he was at the Police Station Tuesday morning.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

^ the only issue I have with Ron as 'man in black' is that most kids would recognise their dad no matter how heavily disguised he was, just seems weird that Junior wouldn't have said 'Dad wearing black' or 'Dad in a mask' etc.

 

[Crosby87]

Here are some more pictures Ger took of PDM Bridge.

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[Melanie]

No, I think she should have had a lighter sentence because -

this is her first criminal offense. She is just a child ...

Totally agree. She would/could have rec'd 25 to life for the disappearance of HC, but NOT for selling drugs. It irks me that child molesters get mere weeks for abusing children.

IMHO justice was not served. She had poor representation (IMHO) and the whole drug case was a farce. I hope she appeals.

ALL MOO

Mel

 

[justus4all]

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The above link contains pictures of PDM Bridge. The fence that I see isn't very high and with logs stacked against it, Ron could easily jump the fence IMO if there was no hole in it. JMO

Terry Shoemaker did say Ron performed odd jobs Monday night which means he moved about from place to place in the large yard and no one would suspect anything if they lost sight of him. Yet Shoemaker said because Ron was seen in the cafeteria that night, he was at work all night.

The thumb print system was installed after Ron left. Kim Picazio said Ron could have left and come back to punch out which is certainly true.

LE said they don't believe Misty was at home or doing what she said she was doing Monday evening and there are inconsistencies in her story.

Why haven't LE cut to the chase and asked Junior ...... "Was Misty sleeping when the man in black took HaLeigh?" and cleared this up by now? This is a very simple question that he would answer honestly. Junior has no reason to lie and apparently he can be counted on to tell the truth.

Many people besides Chelsea and Junior saw Ron dressed in black when he was at the Police Station Tuesday morning.

bolded by me..

Thanks Blue Sky for the link...

It is entirely possible the fence could have been scaled/jumped over/crawled under/pulled aside/...etc...for someone to exit the property..especially if they could find a way to do it...and no one sees them.

One(operators) could easily move a crane or a large machine close to the fence and jump over...Or stand on some material stacked near the fence and leap across...lots of ways....

It appears the property is quite large with perhaps lots of large machinery, cranes, materials and the like sitting around...I am sure also lots of hi beam lighting for using machinery at night for safety...I would think that even with all the high overhead lighting illuminating all the property at night, there would still be some areas of shadows cast, due to all the large machinery, stacks of material sitting around....my point being...The property at night would not be as bright as the midday sun shining down and EVERYTHING FULLY viewed...including shadows ...as in full daylight..

If someone really wanted to find a way thru the fence..I believe that is possible....Inmates have been known to climb. scale, fences and walls IN PRISON..to escape...So I believe it is possible...for Ron to have sneaked out
imo

 

[justus4all]

one more point to add regarding folks working in a large facility with lots of acreage, out buildings, various work areas, and the good old night shift, ....somebody...almost always...sneaks a nap, a drink, a phone chat, and a way to "sneak out" if they can find a way to do it...and not get caught...(sorry..no link)

imo

 

[GingBreade]

Wow, just heard about Misty's sentence...25 years and they are not done yet. The scales of justice are not exactly balanced down there, IMO.

You are so right! On a side note though, Misty's judge was a smug *****. IMO of course.

 

[zoey]

Totally agree. She would/could have rec'd 25 to life for the disappearance of HC, but NOT for selling drugs. It irks me that child molesters get mere weeks for abusing children.

IMHO justice was not served. She had poor representation (IMHO) and the whole drug case was a farce. I hope she appeals.

ALL MOO

Mel

ITA.....it is awful that someone could get less time if they were driving under the influence and killed someone....I truly think at times that our justice system needs to major twicking in difference areas...

 

[my_tee_mouse]

ITA.....it is awful that someone could get less time if they were driving under the influence and killed someone....I truly think at times that our justice system needs to major twicking in difference areas...

And how many people who purchased the pills will be out driving under the influence?

 

[SoSueMe]

No, I'm not happy with the St. John's sentence. They were Donna's drugs and Donna received the money. I believe Misty received a $100 finder's fee (and I'm sure that was given to her to make the case against her). Let's see, Donna gets 15 years on this drug bust and Misty gets 25 years? A first time offender?

If they want to put her away for Haleigh's murder, then charge her and put her away ON THAT CHARGE.

This is not justice and I hope an appellate attorney will take this case on and expose the (in)justice system in that county. This good ol' boy network down there is really rubbing me the wrong way.

 

[Emeralgem]

No, I'm not happy with the St. John's sentence. They were Donna's drugs and Donna received the money. I believe Misty received a $100 finder's fee (and I'm sure that was given to her to make the case against her). Let's see, Donna gets 15 years on this drug bust and Misty gets 25 years? A first time offender?

If they want to put her away for Haleigh's murder, then charge her and put her away ON THAT CHARGE.

This is not justice and I hope an appellate attorney will take this case on and expose the (in)justice system in that county. This good ol' boy network down there is really rubbing me the wrong way.

Same here... That place needs to be cleaned up..Abuse of power applies to entirely too too many with authority..JMHO

 

[Crosby87]

bolded by me..

Thanks Blue Sky for the link...

It is entirely possible the fence could have been scaled/jumped over/crawled under/pulled aside/...etc...for someone to exit the property..especially if they could find a way to do it...and no one sees them.

One(operators) could easily move a crane or a large machine close to the fence and jump over...Or stand on some material stacked near the fence and leap across...lots of ways....

It appears the property is quite large with perhaps lots of large machinery, cranes, materials and the like sitting around...I am sure also lots of hi beam lighting for using machinery at night for safety...I would think that even with all the high overhead lighting illuminating all the property at night, there would still be some areas of shadows cast, due to all the large machinery, stacks of material sitting around....my point being...The property at night would not be as bright as the midday sun shining down and EVERYTHING FULLY viewed...including shadows ...as in full daylight..

If someone really wanted to find a way thru the fence..I believe that is possible....Inmates have been known to climb. scale, fences and walls IN PRISON..to escape...So I believe it is possible...for Ron to have sneaked out
imo

Where there is a will there is a way. Which makes me wonder if Ron will ever attempt an escape from jail? LOL

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/10/05/levi-page-show

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LEVI PAGE: Chelsea Croslin I want to go to you first, what do you think about Tommy not getting his sentence reduced?

CHELSEA CROSLIN: It&#8217;s hard and it&#8217;s very sad for us but we have faith in God and we are never going to give up. We are going to keep trying. I guess that is all we can do is hold our heads up and just keep trying.

Chelsea has not matured to the point where she can form her own opinion and speak her own mind. When Levi presented his question to her, Chelsea had an opportunity to speak out and say &#8220;Tommy is a drug addict and we tried to get him help to prevent this from happening but we were unsuccessful. Tommy wasn't involved in drug trafficking until his sister moved in with him in December and she began seeing Ron on the sly. Tommy is truly remorseful for allowing himself to be sucked into this scheme and Justice has been served. The reason Tommy wasn&#8217;t worried about being arrested in connection with the HaLeigh Cummings case is obvious, he is not involved.&#8221;

Chelsea Croslin pressures Misty to talk but IMO she can&#8217;t talk either because she is young and emotionally immature like Misty. The reason why Misty can&#8217;t talk IMO is because Ron lied to her when he said he did not take HaLeigh and he prevented her from implicating him in the crime against his daughter by refusing to talk. The source of deception on Misty's LDT leads to Ron IMO.

CHELSEA CROSLIN: Yeah, I don&#8217;t know exactly what time he said he got to work but I mean he would have had to gotten to work well after 4 o&#8217;clock that day. There is no way that he got there any earlier than that. And that is very unusual for him getting there that late; it is unusual for him leaving that late so I mean there is a hole in the fence. He could have easily crawled out of the fence and just gone back in and clocked himself out to keep his alibi, who knows.

What is significant about Ron going in late on Monday is that it gives Ron the wriggle room he needs to leave work and come back after the men who worked the 3-11 pm shift had gone home. This is a crucial piece of evidence. Why did Ron plan to arrive late the night his daughter disappeared? There is no logical explanation. If you look at the pictures of the yard at PDM Bridge, it is very cluttered with large objects so there are many places Ron could position himself without being seen. Ron worked in the yard doing different jobs which meant it was the norm for him to disappear and reappear during his shift. The fact Ron was seen during in the cafeteria is meaningless because HaLeigh disappeared after Ron's last break when he was supposedly working the yard at work. My guess is Ron was busy in his own backyard placing the brick by the back door.

 

[Reality Orlando]

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The above link contains pictures of PDM Bridge. The fence that I see isn't very high and with logs stacked against it, Ron could easily jump the fence IMO if there was no hole in it. JMO

Except for the gates, the fence tops look to have 3 rows of what my husband calls "razor wire." He says its impossible to get over that without getting torn up.

 

[suspicious1]

Except for the gates, the fence tops look to have 3 rows of what my husband calls "razor wire." He says its impossible to get over that without getting torn up.

Maybe that's how Ron got the scratches on his hands?:waitasec:

I really don't know.

Re: Bluesky's post= In one of the jailhouse tapes with Hank Sr. he mentions that Ron snuck out of work too...I'm wondering who told him that?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks for your thorough and very responsive post. :blushing:

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Your post suggests the the glass is half full when it comes to Ron, his work and, his work hours. My opinion is that the glass is half empty and we do not yet have the clarity, the answers, we do not have anything definitive from LE and, even Shoemaker conceded that Ron only moved from the top of the suspect list to the bottom. I take anything Shoemaker says as pure spin to defend Ron ... so when he admits Ron is still considered a suspect then there is a basis for that admission.

There is still much confusion over Ron's shift that night and if he was able to place 25-90 calls/texts early on that night then ... he was not that busy or closely monitored. IMHO.

For me the Jury is still out on Ron and so I cannot be overly optimistic about his alibi ... yet. I broke my rose colored spectacles when I first researched this case and there are so many pieces that I question and doubt before I believe anyone. Skepticism is my middle name.

We certainly can agree to disagree and do it respectfully and that is the way all opinions should be expressed on message boards and I thank you for continuing to do that, cyber.

LOL! I have always been 'the glass is half full" type. I am a very optimistic person. It has served me well in my real life.

Imo, too much weight is being put into the speculation about Ron leaving work, going through a hole in the fence and somehow getting to his vehicle sight unseen... both leaving and coming back again. Ron would have no way of knowing if the supervisor was looking for him. He would have no control if the supervisor called him on the intercom to come to the office so he could be instructed to do something else before he left. So to me Ron leaving work at anytime during his shift is far reaching to me. Is it important to some because if he didn't leave work at all then the house of cards fall when it comes to Ron being the suspect?

But if we take the speculation as true for a minute then police would have long known Ron's work alibi wasnt iron clad and they would have never utter that they were satisfied with Ron's work alibi. LE never says things that can come back to haunt them later.

I believe AH now says that most were text messages and we know just how little time it takes to send a text. Ron also had breaks (15-20 minute) like all workers do and he also had a supper break. Plenty of time for him to use the phone that many times and still go back to doing his job when the breaks were over.

I think there is confusion on message boards about Ron's work hours that night but I don't think LE is confused at all. That would be one of the first and easiest alibi's to verify. Much easier than Misty Croslin's.

Shoemaker said that Ron had moved to the bottom of the list months ago. No case stands still. Imo Ron has dropped off of any potential list of suspects now all together and the two remaining are Misty Croslin and Tommy Croslin, imo.

I never wear rose colored glasses in any case I am interested in. I look at what has been released that shows guilt and I see quilt when it comes to Misty and Tommy.........the two that the SA refused to make a plea deal with.

It is rather simple to me.

Who said they were there when Haleigh went missing? Misty.

Who said they came to the Cummings home THAT night? Tommy Croslin.

IMO

 

[Crosby87]

Maybe that's how Ron got the scratches on his hands?:waitasec:

I really don't know.

Re: Bluesky's post= In one of the jailhouse tapes with Hank Sr. he mentions that Ron snuck out of work too...I'm wondering who told him that?

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In the 5th picture there is no razor fence above the fence.

I too suspected Ron punched the back door or car door when he got home to cover up the scratches he got on himself when he committed the crime against HaLeigh. The bandaid on his neck could have been covering scratches from fingernails.

Yes I recall Tommy saying Ron snuck out of work too.

The manner in which HaLeigh disappeared is in line with Ron&#8217;s occupation which connects him to this crime. His job involved moving objects from one place to another and he appeared and disappeared all the time. I pictured in my mind&#8217;s eye, Ron carrying and placing a brick by the back door. The open door represents a window of opportunity that Ron created for himself.

Remember in the movie a Few Good Men when Demi Moore asks Tom Cruise during their tour of the naval base, &#8220;are we here to investigate or are we just for the tour? LE maybe there for the tour and as I see it, they have been very closed minded not tight lipped in conducting their investigation.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

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The above link contains pictures of PDM Bridge. The fence that I see isn't very high and with logs stacked against it, Ron could easily jump the fence IMO if there was no hole in it. JMO

Terry Shoemaker did say Ron performed odd jobs Monday night which means he moved about from place to place in the large yard and no one would suspect anything if they lost sight of him. Yet Shoemaker said because Ron was seen in the cafeteria that night, he was at work all night.

The thumb print system was installed after Ron left. Kim Picazio said Ron could have left and come back to punch out which is certainly true.

LE said they don't believe Misty was at home or doing what she said she was doing Monday evening and there are inconsistencies in her story.

Why haven't LE cut to the chase and asked Junior ...... "Was Misty sleeping when the man in black took HaLeigh?" and cleared this up by now? This is a very simple question that he would answer honestly. Junior has no reason to lie and apparently he can be counted on to tell the truth.

Many people besides Chelsea and Junior saw Ron dressed in black when he was at the Police Station Tuesday morning.

It also shows a sign in the last photo that employee parking is inside of the gated area.

IMO

 

[Amster]

The fact that Ronald was allowed to cut a deal on his 2 most serious charges and the fact that Misty is being portrayed as the kingpin of the drug selling ring, just reinforces what I've suspected all along. Someday....I hope we find out why and who is hellbent on protecting Ronald Cummings.

If little Haleigh had been the daughter of someone else, I think this case would have been solved months ago. Misty is the "key", but she isn't going to be allowed to unlock the truth. For all we know, she HAS implicated Ronald. All it got her was 25 years.