MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #10 - Chauvin Trial Day 7

[MsBetsy]

From the charging document:

The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by teh polise, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

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Do we know if this ME is going to testify????

Ok, thanks. I think that was later explained that they found no physical findings to prove or disprove asphyxiation. Sometimes there are no signs at all. Also, I don't think he had any confirmed medical conditions except for the high blood pressure. But yes, there were several factors that were contributors, just not the official COD. Imo

 

[BUF]

https://twitter.com/AnaViLastra/status/1379507193360351242

MacKenzie says checking the carotid pulse is the most important, but there are multiple places to check for a pulse. She says if no pulse is detected, CPR must be started immediately. #DerekChauvinTrial

Sleicher: You train officers that if the person can talk means that they can breathe? MacKenzie: No sir...somebody could be in respiratory distress and still be able to verbalize it just because they're speaking doesn't mean they're breathing adequately... #DerekChauvinTrial

Sleicher: When is the officer supposed to stop CPR? MacKenzie: When you've been relieved by somebody w/ a higher level of training, or maybe a feeling some obvious signs of death, or...if you were absolutely just physically exhausted. #DerekChauvinTrial

 

[dixiegirl1035]

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From Keung body cam, witness says that the shin is across his shoulder.

I didn't wake up early enough to see all of the direct testimony, but this guy seems to be helping the defense. IMO

ETA: Nelson just clarified, it's Lane's body cam footage

Thanks so much for posting this. This was after MOO Chavin moved his knee from previous body cam. Your screen shot was indeed showing after EMS arrived 20:27:49 Last night, was a side by side and some have gone back to view... yes, he moved it when EMS arrived off neck MOO



Exactly! At 20:27:49 it appeared moved as discussed last night in sidebar. A side by side was done and obviously MOO in a different place at the defense exhibit #1048 vs. the prosecutions multiple exibits. MOO per timeframe

20:25:52 Trial Day 3 testimony by Lt Rugel – Keung body cam shows checking of pulse [e.d. I believe by Keung? Needs verification.]

20:26:06 Trial Day 3 testimony by Lt Rugel – Keung body cam – LE heard to say “I can’t get a pulse”

20:26:29 Trial Day 2 testimony by GH/Firefighter lady said she came upon the scene

20:26:46 Trial Day 3 testimony by Lt Rugel – Keung body cam - LE states code 3, acknowledge that
20:27:00 Trial Day 3 testimony by Lt. Rugel – Lane body cam – can hear sirens in background

20:27:21 123096 - Info for EMS, PD have male restrained ground [NOTE: On day 4 during ES/Ambo pluse taker said that “ note popped up“ as they arrived – I assume they are talking about the 20:27:21 note from dispactcher of “PD have male restrained on ground”?]

20:27:23 Trial Day 3 Thoa bodycam you can see that ambulance lights arrive in reflection of CUP food windows

20:27:48 Trial Day 3 testimony by Lt Rugel – Lane body cam – At this moment 1st EMS guy ES takes GF pulse

20:27:30 Cashier CM shown on Exhibit 33 on trial Day 3 during cashier CM testimony calling mom to not come down from apt above CUP Food

20:28:03 Trial Day 3 testimony by Lt Rugel – Lane body cam – [e.d. I have in my notes that someone said “Do you think he’ll probably survive?

 

[Shaddow]

"If you don't find a pulse on a person you immediately start CPR" ─McKenzie
They found no pulse and did not start CPR...per Video Cam Why?

 

[ElizaKate]

So we've done use of force witnesses, we're wrapping up here I think to confirm what CPR training officers are expected to do.

Where do we think we're going next?

Is it time to move on to medical testimony?... I sure hope so personally.

 

[missy1974]

On to cross already! I expect the usual questions... policy.. but if the circumstances allow .. blah blah blah

* I really dislike that all these policies have a BUT WAIT clause. JMO

 

[margarita25]

Cross examination of Lt. Mercil begins at around 23:00.
- Discussion of "holds" is at 40:00
- Discussion of position of knee vs carotid artery at 49:00
-Introduction of body cam stills from about 49:50.
-Lt states that he agrees that the knee is across the shoulder blades at 56:00

Remember, if you want to catch up on all of the cross, you can speed up to 1:25 or higher . HTH.

(Alright, so I watched his testimony for the state, haven’t watched cross yet but imo his testimony was very clear wrt MRT, etc., reinforcing what others (DP, etc.) have already testified to re: Critical thinking model, dangers of prone and need to switch position, ETC. jmo)

 

[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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4h

#DerekChauvinTrial - Bottom line about Morries Hall hearing - Judge wants Nelson to write out the questions he would ask Hall if called, state is to write out their cross-exam questions and judge will make decision later.
2h
#DerekChauvinTrial - Nelson describes the difference between chokehold and neck restraint per MPD policy. Mercil agrees chokehold considered lethal/deadly use of force blocking airway from front side. Mercil says Chauvin did not use a chokehold on #GeorgeFloyd

2h
#DerekChauvinTrial - Nelson: Neck restraint requires both sides of the neck to be compressed to render a person unconscious. Mercil agrees. Controlled substance use factors in, speeds up unconscious factor. Mercil agrees again.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Damn - video perspective matters -

knee was never on his neck

Keep in mind though, that when THAT question was asked, it was relative to Lane body cam after the EMS were there, and the crown sourced video. He hesitated to answer MOO that this wasn't the time of when he had knee on neck, knew the defense was perhaps doing a *SQUIRREL* as that moment didn't matter and wasn't the point.

MOO

Source: Exhibit 1048 that defense showed which was AFTER EMS was there to show Chauvin position. Had NOTHING to do with video perspective to mislead some folks to think what they were seeing from the street cam was wrong. MOO.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

This just isn't true. Knew was on neck. Knee moved later - much later, when the paramedics arrived.

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Thanks, I'll move this to media thread as keeps getting brought up so we'll have an easy access to retrieve.

 

[Boodles]

So we've done use of force witnesses, we're wrapping up here I think to confirm what CPR training officers are expected to do.

Where do we think we're going next?

Is it time to move on to medical testimony?... I sure hope so personally.

There was a press conference earlier by the Floyd family, Crump and Sharpton. GF’s brother said the jury would see autopsy photos later today, and to pray for all.

If that’s accurate, sounds like one of the MEs will be testifying, although it’s getting late, 2pm there now and the Narcan trainer (Nicole Mackenzie) is still testifying.

 

[Chelly]

@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - JURY OBSERVATION from pool reporter - Just before lunch break - Jurors seem to be losing some concentration. "Only one appears to be taking notes, others are looking around...a couple are yawning."
@LawCrimeNetwork
@cathyrusson
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24m
#DerekChauvinTrial - Court back in session. MPD officer Nicole Mackenzie takes the stand.

 

[missy1974]

Keep in mind though, that when THAT question was asked, it was relative to Lane body cam after the EMS were there, and the crown sourced video. He hesitated to answer MOO that this wasn't the time of when he had knee on neck, knew the defense was perhaps doing a *SQUIRREL* as that moment didn't matter and wasn't the point.

MOO

Source: Exhibit 1048 that defense showed which was AFTER EMS was there to show Chauvin position. Had NOTHING to do with video perspective to mislead some folks to think what they were seeing from the street cam was wrong. MOO.

There are more photo's shown today, with various time stamps.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

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From Keung body cam, witness says that the shin is across his shoulder.

I didn't wake up early enough to see all of the direct testimony, but this guy seems to be helping the defense. IMO

ETA: Nelson just clarified, it's Lane's body cam footage

Thanks so much for posting this. This was after MOO Chavin moved his knee from previous body cam. Your screen shot was indeed showing after EMS arrived at 10:49:23 .

I'm intrigued to know why you think Chauvin can't get a fair trial without Hall testifying? Pretty big statement. Fairly certain the judge would demand it if that was the case.

If drugs contributed to GF's death that will be stated when we come to the medical testimonies. Where those drugs potentially came from? - what does that matter to the case of whether Chauvin's actions also/fully contributed to the death?

And if we want to speak to "fair trial" with him, why not demand also that the other 3 officers be demanded to testify against their upcoming trial?



Unfortunately or fortunately, 5th amendment in the US and the other 3 officers are doing the same.

MOO

 

[missy1974]

Thanks, I'll move this to media thread as keeps getting brought up so we'll have an easy access to retrieve.

Can you add this as well since @ElizaKate put the photos and time stamps together.

Okay so photos and timestamps...

20:19:25 - Approx. restraint on the floor commenced
20:23:32 - Ex 1045
20:26:40 - Ex 1046
20:27:49 - Ex 1047 (paramedics on scene)
20:28:49 - Ex 1048 (paramedics on scene)

Witness answered "Yes" to knee appearing to be on the shoulder blade in these pics at these timestamps....

(MOO - they're so unclear. Only the last two when paramedics are on scene, would I be able to give a confident answer to. But alas that is what the witness said in relation to these exhibits)

Source: youtube.com/watch?v=MoVMQ0HcLKQ

 

[girlhasnoname]

This defense has been less than stellar today IMO. He seems disorganized and just not sharp on redirect.

 

[girlhasnoname]

There was a press conference earlier by the Floyd family, Crump and Sharpton. GF’s brother said the jury would see autopsy photos later today, and to pray for all.

If that’s accurate, sounds like one of the MEs will be testifying, although it’s getting late, 2pm there now and the Narcan trainer (Nicole Mackenzie) is still testifying.

Thanks for the heads up, I don't think I can watch during autopsy photos.

 

[margarita25]

Cross examination of Lt. Mercil begins at around 23:00.
- Discussion of "holds" is at 40:00
- Discussion of position of knee vs carotid artery at 49:00
-Introduction of body cam stills from about 49:50.
-Lt states that he agrees that the knee is across the shoulder blades at 56:00

Remember, if you want to catch up on all of the cross, you can speed up to 1:25 or higher . HTH.

(This guy is scary tough, imo, I would not want to grapple with him. Just sayin.)

 

[ElizaKate]

Keep in mind though, that when THAT question was asked, it was relative to Lane body cam after the EMS were there, and the crown sourced video. He hesitated to answer MOO that this wasn't the time of when he had knee on neck, knew the defense was perhaps doing a *SQUIRREL* as that moment didn't matter and wasn't the point.

MOO

Source: Exhibit 1048 that defense showed which was AFTER EMS was there to show Chauvin position. Had NOTHING to do with video perspective to mislead some folks to think what they were seeing from the street cam was wrong. MOO.

There are more photo's shown today, with various time stamps.

I screenshotted and time stamped all exhibits used by defence in my post #193 on this thread if it helps. There are two photos prior to paramedics being on scene and two post.

 

[Shaddow]

We are back to the angry mob being the problem.

I'm can't help but wonder... why if the "mob" was so bad, that they could not perform any lifesaving procedures on GF. Why, why why, didn't they call for backup? Thao was just standing around with hands in pocket, never had to draw his gun, never had to take cover, never call the other officers to help control the angry "mob"... WHY?