UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #19

[JimmyDurham]

And I happen to agree ! But somehow many still believe that the famous 4 are guilty !

Probably worth remembering that all of these posters on all of these sites, are more or less the same people posting the same old nonsense. At its core, it's probably no more than 5 prolific people repeating the same things all over the show.

When you think about it, the human mind is an amazing thing in that even though the CPS laughed "the evidence" out of court, these prolific posters on various forums refuse to accept that the polis do not know who did it. I put it down to new farming methods and pesticides sending people 'round the bend.

 

[JimmyDurham]

On another site it was mentioned the Police know who it was

It's the same prolific people posting on all sites including this one.

It's a contradiction in terms. In the event the polis know who did it then they must have the evidence, but given that nobody has been put in a court of law that clearly tells you that they do not have the evidence.

These people are cranks, man, for crying out loud.

 

[Stella123]

Re Maroon car - post no. 651 on thread no. 11 @Abigailsrod

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UK Thread 'UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #11'

Jul 30, 2015

Claudia Lawrence

Claudia Lawrence investigation
http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/13147

It is now six years since Claudia Lawrence disappeared without trace in York. Despite the intensive efforts of the police, the resolve of her heart-broken family and saturated media coverage, her sudden disappearance remains a mystery.

North Yorkshire Police's commitment and determination to solve the case and bring closure for Claudia's loved-ones, is undiminished by the passage of time...

• KateB
• Replies: 1,153
• Forum: 2000's Missing

 

[JimmyDurham]

With regards to phone technology in 2009, I've had a quick look at what specs most phones had back then. Quite a few had GPS such as the iphone, Samsung, LG, Blackberry etc. Do we know what phone she had? Also if the phone possibly had the capability to tell the user where they where exactly, was it the case that the mobile provider or Google/Apple kept a record back then of their movements like they do today?

Aye, Claudia's mobile model is known but I can't remember what it is.

Either way, I'm pretty sure GPS tracking was unreliable in 2009.

 

[Stella123]

With regards to phone technology in 2009, I've had a quick look at what specs most phones had back then. Quite a few had GPS such as the iphone, Samsung, LG, Blackberry etc. Do we know what phone she had? Also if the phone possibly had the capability to tell the user where they where exactly, was it the case that the mobile provider or Google/Apple kept a record back then of their movements like they do today?

Samsung D900. Quite basic. Most phones were really basic in 2009.

Samsung D900 - Full phone specifications

www.gsmarena.com

Claudia Lawrence's phone was still active near home

Ms Lawrence's March 19 2009 disappearance led to a £1million murder inquiry and the latest disclosure is partly why police believe her killer was someone who knew her.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Stella123]

If she habitually went out of the back of her house to walk to work, instead of the front door, people who knew her could know that habit and her be confronted in the alley by someone. But it wouldn't seem a sensible way to have a route to work. My thoughts are still though that she had a lift or was picked up by car en-route. 3 miles is a long way to walk at that time in the morning.

One thing that doesn't add up to me though is - she had a bicycle in the house. Why not cycle to work. Unless she knew from experience, that people she knew could pick her up en route at that time in the morning.

Also apparently leaving by the back is a more direct route to Melrosegate and quicker. Does anyone have a map of the routes?

Except phone located in Heworth location ruled out the notion that she could be at Melrosegate or near the university?

So if she was still in Heworth with her phone, I can see why the Police might have thought something happened at the back of her house.

A woman living alone is vulnerable.

JMO MOO

 

[Stella123]

So why wouldn't a friend she text last reply? Because she lived nearby and went round to see her?

 

[Professor Moriarty]

So why wouldn't a friend she text last reply? Because she lived nearby and went round to see her?

I think it's more likely than not that something befell Claudia that evening. In that case the killer(s) would have had a good head start in disposing of her body.

 

[Stella123]

I'm thinking of the Sarah Everard case and I know it was more recent and in London so more security camera footage but - if the police really suspected that, surely they should check all kinds of motorway footage for cars or vehicles belonging to any suspects. Maybe they did.

 

[Stella123]

I think it's more likely than not that something befell Claudia that evening. In that case the killer(s) would have had a good head start in disposing of her body.

So then it's a case of thinking where the body could be found - the police have searched a few areas. Surprised they didn't dredge some rivers. But the Ouse would be pretty difficult and after a period of time things can get washed out to sea. So - there's the pig farm on the outskirts of York and mention of a nearby car crushing place? And building works/cement at the university (the latter sounds unlikely). Maybe some wooded areas that haven't been checked.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I think her body has been put beyond discovery.

 

[JimmyDurham]

If she habitually went out of the back of her house to walk to work, instead of the front door, people who knew her could know that habit and her be confronted in the alley by someone.

Why would she go out of the back door?

My thoughts are still though that she had a lift or was picked up by car en-route. 3 miles is a long way to walk at that time in the morning.

Depends on the individual. I'd be more than slightly disappointed with having to walk 3 miles at 5 o'clock in the morning and I'd want to avoid it at all costs. But, we're not all the same are we. Apparently Claudia was very appearance conscious, maybe that was her way of losing a few pounds.

One thing that doesn't add up to me though is - she had a bicycle in the house.

This is interesting. Did she? Not saying you're wrong. Can you put some meat on the bones of this.

Also apparently leaving by the back is a more direct route to Melrosegate and quicker.

It's not.

Except phone located in Heworth location ruled out the notion that she could be at Melrosegate or near the university?

Not at all. The phone records suggested in a 9 mile area which includes the university and Melrosegate.

So if she was still in Heworth with her phone, I can see why the Police might have thought something happened at the back of her house.

You've made this up. The polis did not assume something happened "at the back of her house".

A woman living alone is vulnerable.

Aye. Not always and you'd have to be very unlucky in the wrong place at the wrong time, but if I was a woman I wouldn't be walking alone in the dark. Too many oddballs out there.

 

[Stella123]

One thing that doesn't add up to me though is - she had a bicycle in the house.

This is interesting. Did she? Not saying you're wrong. Can you put some meat on the bones of this.

Sorry I read it somewhere - on a blog - but can't find a link to say she had a bicycle in the house. But yes it seemed she liked the exercise

"Joan Lawrence also spoke and touched upon a subject that tortured both parents: their fears Claudia that had been taken on her walk to work, after their attempts to persuade her to use a car failed. "I was worried about her and offered her the money for a taxi," said Mrs Lawrence. "But she wouldn't take it. She liked walking for the exercise.""

Patrick Barkham: Missing Claudia Lawrence - Ten days of helplessness

On Wednesday 18 March, Claudia Lawrence went to work, phoned her parents, texted a girlfriend. Then she vanished from her family and friends' lives - leaving them distraught, and the police with a job to do

www.theguardian.com

If she habitually went out of the back of her house to walk to work, instead of the front door, people who knew her could know that habit and her be confronted in the alley by someone.

Why would she go out of the back door?

I think you're correct that that wouldn't be a short cut to Melrosegate or to the University, but I wouldn't know the shortcuts avoiding main roads. However, if she didn't go out of the back, how did she disappear? The idea that she could be abducted from the front of her house in plain view, even in the dark, with security cameras around, seems very unlikely.

Except phone located in Heworth location ruled out the notion that she could be at Melrosegate or near the university?

Not at all. The phone records suggested in a 9 mile area which includes the university and Melrosegate.

Thank you. I was trying to find a plan/map I'd seen (I think it was on here) showing the scope of her phone coverage. I read here (DM) that her phone was active near her home

"A police theory that missing chef Claudia Lawrence was killed by someone she knew is supported by evidence her mobile phone was active near her home four hours after her disappearance, it emerged today."

Claudia Lawrence's phone was still active near home

Ms Lawrence's March 19 2009 disappearance led to a £1million murder inquiry and the latest disclosure is partly why police believe her killer was someone who knew her.

www.dailymail.co.uk

On the other hand, the Northern Echo say the Police said the phone wasn't taken outside of York - which is a bigger area obviously.

"The police source told the Sunday Times: “Her mobile phone never left the area of York.


“This is part of the reason why the police believe she fell victim to an attack by somebody that she knew who was familiar with the area.”"

New revelation that Claudia Lawrence's phone was turned off after disappearance

A NEW revelation that Claudia Lawrence’s phone was switched off by somebody hours after she failed to arrive at work has been described as…

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk

But if it was just within the York area itself and not just the Heworth area, then how does that suggest it was someone she knew? Maybe just bad reporting?

So if she was still in Heworth with her phone, I can see why the Police might have thought something happened at the back of her house.

You've made this up. The polis did not assume something happened "at the back of her house".

I didn't make this up - as I mentioned earlier, I read it somewhere, but it may have been an unreliable source, inferring that from this quote by the police in 2015

"
Referring to the re-examination of the alleyway, Det Sup Malyn said: "I am interested in this alleyway and whether it was significant in Claudia's disappearance.

"We are looking at it with fresh eyes and I do feel from judgement and experience it is worth revisiting these scenes.

"We still don't know if Claudia left for work... or whether something happened overnight within her house.

"If the latter is the case, the person or persons responsible, in my view, would have used the rear alleyway as the front door leads onto a busy main road. This is why this specific piece of information needs to be fully investigated.""

Police searching for missing York chef Claudia Lawrence examine alley

Police searching for missing Claudia Lawrence re-examine the alleyway behind her home, as the lead officer suggests some people may not have been honest with police.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think there has been a fair bit of discussion about the alley way behind her house on here, and it was something I thought - someone could have come to her back door that evening and she answered it and was lured out. Also the additional forensics in the house didn't show anything so it suggests something happened out of the house.

So my own feeling was - it was either that (behind her house that evening or even next morning), or that she accepted a lift from someone - and the arguing couple near the university and maroon car - now that it seems the phone data means it could have been in a larger area than Heworth.

JMO MOO

There is a difference between making something up and stating an opinion!

 

[Stella123]

Or a friend came over (perhaps the female one who didn't reply to her last text to them) and then asked to go out the back for a smoke? ...... pretty cold outside in March though.

 

[Stella123]

The thing is - if someone took her, there must be some forensics somewhere - on someone's clothing or a car boot eg. Unless they thoroughly cleaned up.

 

[Stella123]

The reasoning behind me saying the police thought it was plotted and planned by someone CL knew was from this article - quoted from Scotland Yard detective.

"
On the podcast former Scotland Yard detective Peter Bleksley recounts how after doing a segment about Claudia's vanishing on his TalkTV show 'Crime Suspect', a source reached out to him suggesting Claudia had been killed and her body disposed of in a lake.

He said: 'Twenty four hours after the episodes dropped, I was contacted by somebody who, over a course of messages, told me they thought they knew why Claudia had been murdered and who was responsible, either for commissioning her murder or actually carrying it out.

'Claudia's killing was organised, there was plotting and planning that went into it.

'Secondly, her body did end up in the lake. I know the police did search some lakes, but I've been told it's not the right one. "

Is fear stopping people speaking out in the Claudia Lawrence case?

Chef Claudia Lawrence, 35, vanished without a trace after failing to turn up to work at the University of York's Goodricke College on March 19, 2009.

www.dailymail.co.uk

However nothing was found in the lake.

Did they ever search the University lake?

 

[Stella123]

Quoting from @Angleterre in post 956 thread no 3

Re the cigarette butt
Do we know what type it Is? And do we know who amongst the suspects is a left handed smoker?
I m surprised that DNA screening hasn’t been done
Do we know if DNA was taken from those arrested? Actually cancel that - it must have been because they were subject to interviews with a view to being charged until the CPS said that it did not meet the threshold. But generally a buccal swan and fingerprints are taken at the same time, when arrested . So they must have run the DNA of the 4 arrested and compared it to the cigarette butt ...

The man seen in the hoodie seen talking to a woman had a cigarette in his left hand. (One of the couples on CL's route to work)


"Last week detectives said they wanted to speak to a man and a woman who were seen by a cyclist on Melrosegate Bridge at 0535 GMT on Thursday, 19 March.

Police said so far no one had come forward with any information about the pair.

The man is described as skinny and about 5ft 6in tall. He was wearing dark trousers and a dark hooded top with the hood up and was holding a cigarette in his left hand.

The woman is described as smaller than the man, with mousy-brown hair. She was wearing a blue, waist-length jacket."

BBC NEWS | UK | England | North Yorkshire | 'Missing women' rumour dismissed

news.bbc.co.uk

 

[Stella123]

Some people are probably hoping this all gets forgotten about and goes away. The case is currently in a "reactive" phase - but not closed.

"The case has been in a “reactive phase” – where officers respond to new evidence and lines of enquiry when it is brought to them – since 2017.

But Detective Chief Inspector Jon Sygrove insists that it remains open.

'It's torturous for Joan' - podcaster on 'break-ins' to Claudia Lawrence's home

Tom McDermott, the journalist behind Answers for Claudia, has described his feelings upon entering the former home of missing Claudia Lawrence, which has been left unoccupied for nearly 17 years.

uk.news.yahoo.com