MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #10 - Chauvin Trial Day 7

[MrsWatson]

Haven't previous witnesses testified, under oath, that Chavin's knee was on his neck?

 

[margarita25]

Haven't previous witnesses testified, under oath, that Chavin's knee was on his neck?

Yes several, IIRC, moo, jmo, imo.

 

[Linda7NJ]

....I have yet to see any evidence Chauvin had any malice or he Murdered anyone.

That’s not good, I’m typically lean pro prosecution.

Defense hasn’t even presented its side yet!

 

[missy1974]

How do we know those weren't the times that he adjusted his knee, and then put it back down on his neck again? It still doesn't explain why he didn't do anything to help Floyd. One of the officers stated that he wasn't responsive, and one said he didn't have a pulse. How could Chauvin not have heard that? He knew he didn't have a pulse for a minute and a half before he stopped restraining him.

I don't have time right at the moment to go and look. But ...
1... from bystander video, I don't recall Chauvin moving much at all, do you?
2... if there is such video of him moving, why didn't the prosecution just show that to dispute those? They didn't.

JMO

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Haven't previous witnesses testified, under oath, that Chavin's knee was on his neck?

From their perspective it probably looked like it was.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Then why is Hall so fearful to testify?

Good point for those that are newbies to following trials and not here on threads that may not know, thanks for pointing out this may need to be again stated on the threads for information and background to many here!

He is doing the fifth due MOO on this potential charge. It was explained in testimony earlier today, and some may have missed.

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a)RSBM for focus

(b) Whoever, without intent to cause death, proximately causes the death of a human being by, directly or indirectly, unlawfully selling, giving away, bartering, delivering, exchanging, distributing, or administering a controlled substance classified in Schedule I or II, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years or to payment of a fine of not more than $40,000, or both.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205

 

[margarita25]

Some of my notes from DP Day 4 Jmo:

DP asks DC if he’d used any other force?

Vague answer: DP says DC said he knelt on Floyd or on his neck...or something to that nature - DP says he doesn't recall his exact words.

• first time he became aware that force had been applied to GF’s neck

***so at this point it became a “critical incident”-when someone passes away in police custody***

At this point crime scene tape goes down and body cams are turned back on

-protocol is the person(s) involved needs to be kept separated and transported down to courthouse, made arrangements for supervisors to secure scene and Lieutenants to transport involved to city hall.

• handed over scene to Edwards, next supervisory Sargeant

Room 108-room where officers are interviewed after critical incident

 

[Linda7NJ]

As I've said before, you can thank the media for that.

It’s the basis for the prosecution -
It’s beginning to look strangely familiar-..........

 

[MsBetsy]

Nelson showed more, minutes apart

I haven't seen it yet. I just checked court tv and they aren't discussing it now. I'm sure they will show it later. I'm wondering if those were the times Chauvin readjusted his knee and his foot and it looked like he was applying more pressure. It would be hard to tell if they are only still shots that just capture a few seconds.

 

[ElizaKate]

Okay so photos and timestamps...

20:19:25 - Approx. restraint on the floor commenced
20:23:32 - Ex 1045
20:26:40 - Ex 1046
20:27:49 - Ex 1047 (paramedics on scene)
20:28:49 - Ex 1048 (paramedics on scene)

Witness answered "Yes" to knee appearing to be on the shoulder blade in these pics at these timestamps....

(MOO - they're so unclear. Only the last two when paramedics are on scene, would I be able to give a confident answer to. But alas that is what the witness said in relation to these exhibits)

Source: youtube.com/watch?v=MoVMQ0HcLKQ

 

[Chelly]

We might need an expert regarding the video of knee placement/perspective.

Does anyone know if there's an expert witness to go over this on the witness list?

Yeah, bring back Donald Williams from trial Day One. He did an excellent job as bystander, expert witness.

 

[Cubby]

Then why is Hall so fearful to testify?

If Hall gave GF drugs, he could face serious charges.

floyd was fighting “too breath” or fighting because he simply didn’t want to be arrested the entire time he was conscious - long before any knee involvement

The police would have no idea the reason Floyd fought them the entire time until he fell unconscious

testimony from multiple witnesses thus far tgat sometimes when regaining consciousness suspect becomes even more combative

There isn't too much fighting a handcuffed man can do. Gf was handcuffed before DC ever arrived at the scene. There was never a time when he needed the type of restraint DC used.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If Hall gave GF drugs, he could face serious charges.


There isn't too much fighting a handcuffed man can do. Gf was handcuffed before DC ever arrived at the scene. There was never a time when he needed the type of restraint DC used.

a handcuffed man, just the other day, managed to steal a police car and drive for several miles - I still can’t wrap my mind around how. Doesn’t matter, he did. Handcuffed suspects have disarmed police, retrieved a hidden gun on themselves and used it -
Police train for all possibilities
Suspect handcuffed behind his back steals patrol car, leads cops on 100 mph chase

 

[margarita25]

Yeah, bring back Donald Williams from trial Day One. He did an excellent job as bystander, expert witness.

Bingo, jmo.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

It’s the basis for the prosecution -
It’s beginning to look strangely familiar-..........

I think it’s the basis of the autopsy findings and why they were so completely different from the preliminary report. IMO

 

[Shaddow]

Nope, knee was never on his neck
We’ve heard for MONTHS a knee was on his neck for 9+ minutes
Police Body cam proves that wasn’t true.

The knee was on his neck. That picture shows nothing.

 

[MsBetsy]

I don't have time right at the moment to go and look. But ...
1... from bystander video, I don't recall Chauvin moving much at all, do you?
2... if there is such video of him moving, why didn't the prosecution just show that to dispute those? They didn't.

JMO

I just remember him readjusting his body a few times and his leg moving as if he was applying more pressure. Williams brought it up during his testimony and described it as being similar to a blood choke or something like that, except done with the knee by applying more pressure. I think all the witnesses testified that his knee was on his neck, and they were right there.

I think the prosecution did draw attention to it, by showing stillshots of his leg and foot moving on the ground each time he readjusted himself. I don't know why they didn't mention it today. My daughter was having a meltdown because her charger broke so I missed it.

Maybe the original version is more accurate, that Chauvin had his knee on his neck for about eight minutes. He probably did move it a few times.

 

[ElizaKate]

I had expected that yesterday and they didn't show any body cam footage to dispute it. Now today, again they didn't show any to dispute it.

If the prosecution has any body cam footage that shows the knee on his neck then they need to come with it. IMO Maybe they will but since they haven’t, I’m not sure it exists.

Well they can't show any because they don't exist. They have the bystander video as the other perspective. Which IMO is a much clearer video than the stills the defence has provided. Officer Keung was the second offer on GF. Officer Lane's bodycam is too far away to get much and often points at the car. And we know Chauvin's camera ended up under the car. No they're not bringing in another bodycam footage to dispute because there isn't any. There is however multiple bystander videos showing the other 'camera perspective'. MOO

 

[BUF]

https://twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1379490954420187136

#DerekChauvinTrial - JURY OBSERVATION from pool reporter - Just before lunch break - Jurors seem to be losing some concentration. "Only one appears to be taking notes, others are looking around...a couple are yawning."
@LawCrimeNetwork

 

[Shaddow]

How anyone can dispute that chauvin’s knee was in HIS NECK is beyond me!

Exactly. The Knee Was On GF Neck. Period.