MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #10 - Chauvin Trial Day 7

[Linda7NJ]

I think it’s the basis of the autopsy findings and why they were so completely different from the preliminary report. IMO

it is truly devastating for the prosecution IMO

 

[CrimeAway]

Yeah, bring back Donald Williams from trial Day One. He did an excellent job as bystander, expert witness.

I also thought that Mr Williams was a very compelling witness. However, I have seen some criticism of his use or definition of specific terms. I wouldn't characterize him as an EXPERT witness. (All IMO).

Legal Dictionary - Law.com

 

[Weki]

Talking heads on court tv are saying that defense was MH to testify about the drugs which would then turn the blame from Chauvin killing Floyd with his knee and no CPR, to MH for giving Floyd the drugs that “killed” him.

Right! Defense is trying to shift blame onto MH and he knows that. He should plead 5th no matter what judge rules and eat the contempt charge. And that doesn’t make it an unfair trial IMO. The 5th amendment is also a constitutional right. And state doesn’t have to give felons passes so defense can argue their case. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

The knee was on his neck. That picture shows nothing.

Multiple screen shots taken minutes apart

Those photos shredded knee to neck

 

[Chelly]

Overwhelming testimony and video indicate Chauvin's knee was on Floyd's neck nearly the entire 9 min., 29 seconds. That is the evidence.

 

[CrimeAway]

Exactly. The Knee Was On GF Neck. Period.

So do you dispute Lt. Mercil's testimony on cross examination?

 

[Factoria]

a handcuffed man, just the other day, managed to steal a police car and drive for several miles - I still can’t wrap my mind around how. Doesn’t matter, he did. Handcuffed suspects have disarmed police, retrieved a hidden gun on themselves and used it -
Police train for all possibilities
Suspect handcuffed behind his back steals patrol car, leads cops on 100 mph chase

I'm going to assume that the suspect in that case was still breathing and had a pulse...

 

[Chelly]

Defense: Blame Angry Mob - no evidence.
Defense: Blame Drugs - not enough evidence.
Defense: Blame Knee on Shoulder not Neck - insufficient evidence.

 

[Shaddow]

Multiple screen shots taken minutes apart

Those photos shredded knee to neck

The lower perspective of the camera angle shows a false view of what was is in that screenshot. Nothing is shredded and it's not devastating. It's a false narrative the defense is pushing.

 

[Cubby]

we don’t know that Chauvin knew he stopped breathing or if / when

Yes, but we know Chauvin ignored numerous pleas to attend to GF and we know Chauvin ignored his training and protocol.

 

[ElizaKate]

Multiple screen shots taken minutes apart

Those photos shredded knee to neck

• 4 Stills that show 1 second points in time, from one angle. 2 of them when paramedics where on scene. (4 minutes at the beginning of the restraint where no stills have been provided)
• Multiple bystander videos that show play by play footage from a variety of camera angles....
• Multiple eyewitnesses testifying knee was on neck.

Evidence is heavily weighted in favour for knee on neck. MOO

 

[missy1974]

Okay so photos and timestamps...

20:19:25 - Approx. restraint on the floor commenced
20:23:32 - Ex 1045
20:26:40 - Ex 1046
20:27:49 - Ex 1047 (paramedics on scene)
20:28:49 - Ex 1048 (paramedics on scene)

Witness answered "Yes" to knee appearing to be on the shoulder blade in these pics at these timestamps....

(MOO - they're so unclear. Only the last two when paramedics are on scene, would I be able to give a confident answer to. But alas that is what the witness said in relation to these exhibits)

Source: youtube.com/watch?v=MoVMQ0HcLKQ

Thanks for putting those together!

The photo that you shared though (from the sidewalk), do you know what time it was from?

I watched some of these body cam videos last night to see if I could see his knee/leg, but I don't have the benefit of experts and good equipment so couldn't really find any other parts where I could see it well.

 

[margarita25]

So do you dispute Lt. Mercil's testimony on cross examination?

Note to self to go back and watch. I’ll admit I didn’t see it.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think it’s the basis of the autopsy findings and why they were so completely different from the preliminary report. IMO

The autopsy listed the COD to be "Cardiopulmonary Arrest complicating LE subdual, restraint, and neck compression," and found the manner of death to be homicide.

What was the COD on the preliminary report and how was it changed? I don't think I ever saw the preliminary.

 

[ElizaKate]

Thanks for putting those together!

The photo that you shared though (from the sidewalk), do you know what time it was from?

I watched some of these body cam videos last night to see if I could see his knee/leg, but I don't have the benefit of experts and good equipment so couldn't really find any other parts where I could see it well.

The still from the sidewalk I screenshotted is from the main bystander video I believe played during state's opening on Day 1. I don't know the timestamp sorry but it's very close the time of the main picture that's been shared around the world.

I don't think there is any other relevant bodycam footage. Other than watching Keung's in it's entirety.

 

[margarita25]

THANK YOU!!!

This is so important IMO.

This is what I thought WS was all about?

I hear ya, friend.

Again, I haven’t seen the testimony referenced yet, but just because someone says the sky is green, doesn’t make it true, . Respect, just sayin ftr. Jmo moo. I’ll take a look and give you my honest opinion without bias.

Eta: Re: “without bias”, it is my opinion up to this point that his knee is on his neck, and it would take some serious factual depiction to convince me otherwise.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The lower perspective of the camera angle shows a false view of what was is in that screenshot. Nothing is shredded and it's not devastating. It's a false narrative the defense is pushing.

The defense did not manufacture those screen shots

 

[missy1974]

The autopsy listed the COD to be "Cardiopulmonary Arrest complicating LE subdual, restraint, and neck compression," and found the manner of death to be homicide.

What was the COD on the preliminary report and how was it changed? I don't think I ever saw the preliminary.

From the charging document:

The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by teh polise, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.



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Do we know if this ME is going to testify????

 

[ElizaKate]

The defense did not manufacture those screen shots

Asked this Q earlier but you may have missed. I'm just curious. You seem to be convinced about the perspective of the bodycam stills. But not convinced by the perspective of the 10 minute or so video. Why have you chosen to believe the perspective you have?

 

[Shaddow]

So do you dispute Lt. Mercil's testimony on cross examination?

The view from the chest camera is playing a trick on your eyes. Its an illusion... It's that simple. The Knee Was On GF Neck. Watch the video.