MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #11 - Chauvin Trial Day 8

[Rhozwen]

Why do some witnesses address the jury and other ignore them? Which one is correct or does it matter?

From what I have observed, witnesses who have testified before know to speak to the jury and witnesses who don't, don't think about it as being in the witness stand is foreign to them.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Nelson: You've never been trained by the Minneapolis Police Department, correct?
Stiger: No, I have not.

Nelson is now asking Stiger about MPD training materials that he reviewed.

Nelson is holding up Stiger's 461 page report after reviewing materials.

Nelson says 26 pages "constitute your opinions."

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379810748902346753?s=21

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Testimony is resuming without Judge Cahill mentioning why they quit early yesterday, so perhaps we're reading into it too much?

https://twitter.com/louraguse/status/1379800665434828800?s=21

Stiger testifies that the knee restraint began at 20:19:19 and ended at 20:28:48 for a total of nine minutes and 29 seconds.

Stiger testifies that Chauvin's left knee was on Floyd's neck and right knee on his back for the entirety of the restraint. Feet spread on the ground. Majority of body weight pushing down from knees.

Stiger testifies that Chauvin's position didn't change, when reviewing this back camera view -- meaning Stiger is saying the knee was on the neck the whole time.

Then Stiger used the still photo from Kueng's body camera to counter Nelson's cross examination the last two days -- where others thought the knee looked on the shoulder blade

https://twitter.com/louraguse/status/1379804286691987471?s=21

Stiger testifies that Chauvin was using "pain compliance" techniques. This will end up being very important to the state's case as they need to prove intent to assault in order to prove Murder in the Second Degree. Note this, as I'm sure it will be scrutinized further.

This is where I'm confused as needs to have an underlying felony (which is the assault). Yet the prosecution to me, hasn't clearly addressed this requirement at all of what the assault charge that is underlying middle charge MOO requires. I almost wish that was a charge for the assault so that the jury could be "working the way up charges" included the assault during deliberation. MOO

 

[JerseyGirl]

Nelson: ...you had in some additional trial preparation yesterday with the prosecutor after your testimony?
Stiger: No, we had a brief conversation but no trial prep. Nelson: Okay.

Nelson: You and I have never met or spoke.
Stiger: Correct.
Nelson: You're aware that prosecutors give me summaries of those meetings.
Stiger: Yes.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379811563117408261?s=21

 

[Niner]

Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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27m
#DerekChauvinTrial - Prosecutor shows part of Use of Force policy:
The severity of the crime at issue
Whether the suspect poses immediate threat
Whether he is actively resisting



Showing use of force continuum that jurors saw yesterday. The chart reduces or increases use of force depending on subject's behavior.




State's use of force expert on once #GeorgeFloyd was handcuffed, in the prone position and not resisting,
"No force should have been used once he was in that position."


Stiger says police know that "positional asphyxia is a known risk"

Stiger says Chauvin's 866 paid hours of training should have prepared him for the crowd at the scene.



Schleicher plays this portion of the video with #GeorgeFloyd saying he can't breathe, his neck and stomach hurt. You hear Chauvin responding to him. Stiger says after this exchange, Chauvin stayed on Floyd's neck for approx 6 mins. @LawCrimeNetwork


Now Nelson on cross-exam of state's use of force expert. He's going over Stiger's training experience. Stiger agrees that the policies in each police dept. could be different. Stiger is with the LAPD.




link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

 

[Niner]

G'morning Niner. Glad you are posting.

Hey!

 

[JerseyGirl]

Nelson calls up MPD's use of force policy and asks Stiger about the Graham v. Connor which set the standard for reasonableness of use of force.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379812907421208582?s=21

 

[turaj]

Nelson continues to use analogies that are not in this case....shots etc.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Nelson: And sometimes the use of force is instantaneous, right?
Stiger: Sometimes, but not in this case.
Nelson: Understood. That sometimes the use of force is instantaneous?
Stiger: Sometimes. Correct.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379813526513016834?s=21

 

[madchen0510]

Nelson continues to use analogies that are not in this case....shots etc.

"For example, if there was a gun battle.."

 

[JerseyGirl]

Nelson, “When we look at the use of force, we don’t look at the use of force in a vacuum”

Stiger “No .. when I do my analysis I look at the totality of the circumstances..”

Nelson, “It’s reasonable for a police officer to be in a heightened sense of awareness based on the information they receive from dispatch?”

Stiger confirms that.

https://twitter.com/callangraynews/status/1379815802782642177?s=21

 

[Katerz]

Nelson seems to just be muttering at this point.

 

[JerseyGirl]

N: Sometimes an officer will walk into a situation have no sense of risk...but they have to prepare for the unexpected. Agreed?
S: I wouldn't agree...based on my training experience most officers once we put that uniform on & we respond to a call we know there's a risk factor.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379815084147507209?s=21

Nelson lists the nature of the call on May 25, 2020.

N: So it's reasonable for an officer to rely upon that info in response to a call.
S: Yes, and they can confirm it.
N: They can confirm it, but it also sets the stage right? We're talking about the inherent risks.
S: Yes.

 

[turaj]

Nelson is determined to use this witness Stiger to prove his case....I think he may have some success here.

 

[Katerz]

The officers may have asked him what drugs he was on, but NOT once did they try to issue any narcan to counteract it.

every time Nelson says “right”, I’m taking a shot of coffee. Lol

 

[Niner]

Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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8m
#DerekChauvinTrial - Nelson points out this part of the police use of force policy: The reasonableness of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of the reasonable officer on the scene.



link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson



Paul Blume
@PaulBlume_FOX9
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55m
Prosecutor Steve Schleicher having Sgt. Jody Stiger walk the jury thru video screenshots of #DerekChauvin knee on #GeorgeFloyd neck area. Says knee positioning did NOT change during the full 9 minute & 29 seconds of the restraint even after the ambulance arrived.


Sgt. Stiger points out a "pain compliance technique" where officers squeeze a subject's hand to get compliance as #DerekChauvin is seemingly captured here with a handcuffed & prone


Meant to share this MPD graphic yesterday depicting the departments use of force matrix as it relates to the resistance of a subject. Sgt Stiger concludes "No force should have been used" once #GeorgeFloyd is prone, handcuffed on the ground.



Schleicher just asked Sgt Stiger about crowd of bystanders? Hostile? No. Throwing bottles, attacking officers? No. Sgt Stiger says he did not consider this crowd to be a threat, explaining they were filming what was happening & expressing their concerns for #GeorgeFloyd


MOMENTS AGO: State use of force expert, LAPD Sgt Jody Stiger talking about the deadly risks of positional asphyxia. Eric Nelson has now begun his cross examination.


link: https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9/status/1379810763498348549

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I'm 10 minutes behind y'all on feed, but what Nelson just said is misleading or disingenuous at best. He is talking about expectations of when Chauvin and Thoa arrived that is was a CODE 3.. and what to expect. That is INCORRECT... Thao called in the code 3!

20:21:35 123096 - 330 EMS CODE 3 [e.d. Code 3 = get here quick with lights and sirens. Verified by Thoa BCA interview it was he who updgraded it after asking Elaine is ambulance coming, she said Code 2 yes, and he upgraded to CODE 3 because of the environment that was occuring the the hostile crowd Timestamp in interview 1:12:35-→>and Thao stated NOT due to concern with GF]

"If you heard someone taking someone out, and it was a CODE 3, wouldn't you have a certain hightened awareness"

NOPE! Was not a code 3 at that time... kinda misleading as he made it seem as a code 3 when they were arriving. It's the old

"Put in truths that mislead"???

All above MOO

 

[Katerz]

I'm 10 minutes behind y'all on feed, but what Nelson just said is misleading or disingenuous at best. He is talking about expectations of when Chauvin and Thoa arrived that is was a CODE 3.. and what to expect. That is INCORRECT... Thao called in the code 3!

20:21:35 123096 - 330 EMS CODE 3 [e.d. Code 3 = get here quick with lights and sirens. Verified by Thoa BCA interview it was he who updgraded it after asking Elaine is ambulance coming, she said Code 2 yes, and he upgraded to CODE 3 because of the environment that was occuring the the hostile crowd Timestamp in interview 1:12:35-→>and Thao stated NOT due to concern with GF]

I hope the state caught onto that as well! A lot of the questions he’s asking don’t even make sense or apply to this case.

 

[Katerz]

How is Nelson allowed to sit there and say that it sounds like George said “I ate too many drugs”.. I did NOT hear that.

 

[turaj]

"I ate too many drugs"....can anyone hear that?????

 

[delilah]

So by Chauvin pulling on GF hand─he was inducing pain ( pain compliance ) after he was on the ground and two other officers on top of him . Especially painful, since the handcuffs were not placed on GF right.

I’m glad schleicher is addressing chauvin’s pulling of GF’s hand. He did this right up until he gets off GF. Not clear to me how much more compliant GF could have got after he stopped breathing.