MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #11 - Chauvin Trial Day 8

[turaj]

Nelson is weaving some fantasy case

 

[BUF]

If GF said “ah, ah, I ate too many drugs” as Nelson tried to suggest... then why didn’t DC roll him on his side and get the Narcan out?

 

[Katerz]

Nelson is weaving some fantasy case

I agree. No where did I recall hearing the officers telling George to calm down while he was on the ground

 

[Katerz]

If GF said “ah, ah, I ate too many drugs” as Nelson tried to suggest... then why didn’t DC roll him on his side and get the Narcan out?

That’s what I said!

 

[turaj]

"relax take a DEEP BREATH"....but wait my knee is on your neck!

 

[Katerz]

Why isn’t Nelson interrupting this witness like he did with GH?

 

[delilah]

I’ve missed something here. Why did they escalate from a code 2 to code 3? What was it about GF’s condition that made them want a quicker EMT response? If it was because they concluded that GF’s condition was deteriorating, why didn’t they provide medical assistance?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

"I ate too many drugs"....can anyone hear that?????

That’s what it sounds like to me. I would have to listen again.

What does it sound like to those that don’t think that is what he said?

 

[CrimeAway]

"I ate too many drugs"....can anyone hear that?????

I heard that on the replay, although I think that the last word was difficult to make out.

IMO, Nelson is doing his job by asking questions. He is seeking to paint a picture of what the officers perceived and experienced from their, or specifically the defendant's point of view.

Remember, Graham vs. Connor states that the "reasonableness of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 benefit of hindsight" (BBM).

Graham v. Connor - Wikipedia

IMO, you do not have to like the questions that Nelson asks, but I think he has a very good reason for asking them, in his role as defense counsel.

 

[Yemelyan]

But one needs to keep in mind, that asphyxia is due to blood circulating oxygen to the brain in total. It's a misconception that asphyxia is due to trachea... and I do hope that the prosecution continues to hammer this point again and again and again as many still believe that aspyxia is only trachea... while certainly a contributor as to the positional and mechanical affects.

All MOO above

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These are Exhibit 254 which they are covering in live feed. Souce: WaPo live feed screenshot

Yes, this is actually what I was trying to say (probably got too wordy and confusing) ...that in a manner of speaking the question of neck or not is immaterial to whether the overall body weight pressure led to fatal hypoxia.

 

[Niner]

Paul Blume
@PaulBlume_FOX9
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22m
On cross exam, Eric Nelson gets Sgt Stiger to acknowledge, based on information Derek Chauvin had from radio dispatch & his initial observations of a resisting #GeorgeFloyd, a reasonable officer would have been allowed to deploy a taser under the circumstances.

Defense just played short clip from police body cam footage while officers are on top of #GeorgeFloyd. It's hard to make out what Floyd is saying. Nelson asked Sgt. Stiger if he hears Floyd say, "I ate too many drugs." Sgt. Stiger responds he cannot make it out. Nelson moves on.

After approximately 90 minutes of steady expert witness testimony from LAPD Sgt Jody Stiger, Judge Peter Cahill calls for the 20-minute AM break. We are in recess until 11:05am central time.

link: https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9

 

[JerseyGirl]

TW: They're going to play body camera video

Nelson plays the video and asks Stiger if he understood what George Floyd says, does it sound like he said "I ate too many drugs."

Stiger says he can't make it out.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1379819960835379203?s=21

Nelson: So in the chaos of the situation, things can be messy.

Nelson notes that officers did not use the Hobble device on Floyd. Then asks..."So officers making a decision not to increase the level of force can be viewed as a de-escalation technique?"

Stiger: Yes.

Nelson: Now at the point that they stepped up EMS to code three, would you agree that that's about the time that people began to congregate?

Stiger says he'd have to look at the video, but Nelson followed up with the timecodes.

Nelson: Correct me if I'm wrong, do you participate in a training or present a training...called awful but lawful or unlawful but awful something like that?
Stiger: Yes.
N: So you would agree, the general concept is sometimes force, it looks really bad.
S: Right.

N: I'm assuming at the very beginning of your career not every single person was walking around w/ a video camera...
S: No, but in LA it was right after Rodney King so you'd have people walking around with video cameras...

Judge Cahill just called for a sidebar.

They're going to take a 20 minute break.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

RSBM
#DerekChauvinTrial - Nelson points out this part of the police use of force policy: The reasonableness of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of the reasonable officer on the scene.

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link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson



Paul Blume
@PaulBlume_FOX9
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55m
Prosecutor Steve Schleicher having Sgt. Jody Stiger walk the jury thru video screenshots of #DerekChauvin knee on #GeorgeFloyd neck area. Says knee positioning did NOT change during the full 9 minute & 29 seconds of the restraint even after the ambulance arrived.
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Sgt. Stiger points out a "pain compliance technique" where officers squeeze a subject's hand to get compliance as #DerekChauvin is seemingly captured here with a handcuffed & prone
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Meant to share this MPD graphic yesterday depicting the departments use of force matrix as it relates to the resistance of a subject. Sgt Stiger concludes "No force should have been used" once #GeorgeFloyd is prone, handcuffed on the ground.
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Schleicher just asked Sgt Stiger about crowd of bystanders? Hostile? No. Throwing bottles, attacking officers? No. Sgt Stiger says he did not consider this crowd to be a threat, explaining they were filming what was happening & expressing their concerns for #GeorgeFloyd
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MOMENTS AGO: State use of force expert, LAPD Sgt Jody Stiger talking about the deadly risks of positional asphyxia. Eric Nelson has now begun his cross examination.


link: https://twitter.com/PaulBlume_FOX9/status/1379810763498348549

RSBM.. Like Lane did asking to roll on side, and other "take pulse".. and answer of not finding one" MOO ??? Multiple times as a reasonable officer which he keep saying again and again and.... yet again?

 

[CrimeAway]

If GF said “ah, ah, I ate too many drugs” as Nelson tried to suggest... then why didn’t DC roll him on his side and get
the Narcan out?

• (ETA: IMO, I don't think from the video, that DC et al heard the statement "I ate too many drugs", which is why IMO, they didn't administer Narcan)

IMO, Nelson specifically used that clip to show that
1) in the heat of the moment, important details can be missed, which supports
2) the scene was chaotic and tense, which supports
3) a level of force had to be used and finally
4) Mr Floyd himself admitted to taking "too many drugs".

IMO, that doesn't necessarily mean I, you, (or the jury) will or will not believe all of that, but it is the defense's job to challenge witnesses and question the prosecution's version of events.

 

[missy1974]

Nelson is determined to use this witness Stiger to prove his case....I think he may have some success here.

Just from reading posts this morning, sounds like Stiger has made some good points for the prosecution?
Still reading.. of course, I don't get up early haha Will have to go back to earlier testimony on lunch break.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I can't make out if GF said, "I ate too many drugs".

If he did, it doesn't appear that any of the LE on the scene caught it either. There was conversation overlap and a lot in general going on in that little clip.

 

[BUF]

https://twitter.com/AnaViLastra/status/1379825972069994498

Some notes from the pool reporter who is in the courtroom: Seven jurors were taking notes when Stiger said he saw Chauvin use pain compliance on Floyd's hand. This is the exhibit that was used to reference Stiger's observations. #DerekChauvinTrial

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

“I ate too many drugs” seems to be the consensus of the HLN experts on what GF said. That’s neither here nor there but at least I know I’m not the only one.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Nelson is doing a phenomenal job - I’m very impressed

 

[delilah]

We’re back to the angry mob scenario now. Is there anything in the body language of the four officers that suggested they felt in any way threatened by this ‘angry mob’?