MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #12 - Chauvin Trial Day 9

[missy1974]

@cathyrusson
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Wow! Very interesting that Nelson didn't receive Tobin's visuals/exhibits until last night. Most of the time exhibits associated with an expert are provided with more lead time than that. Am I correct

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Replying to
@cathyrusson
@KenneyBaden
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@RBianchiEsq
No. Not necessarily. He would have been given the reports and the raw data and information prior to a trial but if an exhibit was made from that data it could be given just before the witness takes the stand. This is fairy common. But shocking to those who don’t know that

trying to catch up! that seems unreasonable, but that's JMO

 

[Cubby]

I would really like to know if the jurors were looking at Chauvin while Dr. Tobin was testifying to see if he had any reaction or showed any signs of remorse.

I don't think Chauvin is capable of remorse.

 

[kaen]

I think that Nelson is out of his depth. His fumbling with questions and saying, "Would you agree?" seems to make it seem like he doesn't know where he is going because the witness has to correct him too often.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Nelson asks Dr. Tobin to explain what wooden chest syndrome is...

"Some patients with fentanyl, you'd get an increase in chest was thickness..."

Nelson asked a question related to evidence introduced yesterday showing pills in a squad car. Blackwell objected. Cahill overruled, but then changed his decision telling Nelson to ask in the form of a hypothetical.

Nelson ask if partially ingested pills contain both fentanyl and methamphetamine had the DNA of the decedent, "is it fair to say that you would expect a peak fentanyl, respiratory depression, within about five minutes?"

Dr. Tobin: I mean obviously it will depend on how much of it was ingested a minute, just finding the pills won't tell you anything about whether any of it was ingested or some of it or anything.

He does confirm that if any is ingested, the peak would be in about 5 min.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380235979588562952?s=21

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Hi all. Late finishing work today so late joining but trying to catch up on x2 speed. I'm only half way through but wow this witness is amazing. Clear lay person's explanations. Not being paid, just doing his bit for society. Hard to believe he's never testified in court before because he's brilliant. He's a lecturer I guess, so he's just been told to answer the questions to the jury as if your speaking to an audience in a lecture theatre. Very likeable indeed.

As he is not an experienced consultant for trials (a la many we have seen with high profile trials) so perhaps a great reason that prosecution wanted him in addition to his credentials. It give less credence that he is paid for his opinion for Nelson MOO

 

[Chelly]

I think that Nelson is out of his depth. His fumbling with questions and saying, "Would you agree?" seems to make it seem like he doesn't know where he is going because the witness has to correct him too often.

I am beginning to sympathize with Nelson. He is stumbling words and loosing his voice.

 

[kaen]

Nelson is trying to get to the idea that Mr. Floyd's movements could be ascribed to resisting.....but can't get there with the way that he asked the questions. Objection: Witness can't testify to what a police officer might think. Prosecutor objection was sustained.

 

[missy1974]

Wow Nelson is off his game today! The momentum has shifted to the state today. He’s losing his voice and he seems flustered/intimidated by this witness. JMO

Just my guess, but I have a feeling his own experts were watching testimony earlier and would not be shocked to find out they spoke over the lunch break. Especially if Nelson did not get his report until last night. all JMO

 

[JerseyGirl]

Nelson is now asking Dr. Tobin about the moment George Floyd kicked. Earlier called that moment "key" in showing injury.

Nelson: Would it be reasonable for a police officer to interpret that same behavior as resistance?

State objects and it's sustained.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380236392924647426?s=21

 

[kaen]

And, Nelson is done with the good doctor. This witness really is a God send for the prosecution team.

 

[missy1974]

I think that Nelson is out of his depth. His fumbling with questions and saying, "Would you agree?" seems to make it seem like he doesn't know where he is going because the witness has to correct him too often.

From watching Nelson, he usually says "would you agree?" when he is wanting just a yes or no answer.

 

[Katerz]

I think that Nelson is out of his depth. His fumbling with questions and saying, "Would you agree?" seems to make it seem like he doesn't know where he is going because the witness has to correct him too often.

Especially with the other cross’ he’s ending his “question” with “right”

 

[GarAndTeed]

As he is not an experienced consultant for trials (a la many we have seen with high profile trials) so perhaps a great reason that prosecution wanted him in addition to his credentials. It give less credence that he is paid for his opinion for Nelson MOO

I was thinking the exact same thing!

 

[Katerz]

And, Nelson is done with the good doctor. This witness really is a God send for the prosecution team.

All I see is a break for court tv lol

 

[californiagem]

I love this witness, his calmess, his suredness.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

RSBM Reporters in courtroom consistently comment that the Cardiac Care Nurse (PJ89) juror, now seated in #2 seat, takes a lot of notes, furrows her brow often, nods her head often. She was especially animated during Dr. Tobin's testimony

Cathy Russon Retweeted
Law&Crime Network
@LawCrimeNetwork
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Pulmonologist Dr. Martin Tobin provided testimony in the murder trial of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin on Thursday that appeared to augur well for the prosecution.

Cut/paste from media/timeline thread re juror #89 MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION

"No. 89: White woman, 50s
She said she’s a cardiac care nurse who lives in the suburbs.

She was questioned in depth about her medical training and whether she would second-guess police on resuscitation efforts. She was also asked whether she would reference her nursing experience during deliberations. She said she could avoid it, and would not act as an expert during deliberations.

“I think I can be impartial and listen to instructions and go with what I’m given and ignore the outside stuff,” she said."

 

[MsBetsy]

Nelson asks Dr. Tobin to explain what wooden chest syndrome is...

"Some patients with fentanyl, you'd get an increase in chest was thickness..."

Nelson asked a question related to evidence introduced yesterday showing pills in a squad car. Blackwell objected. Cahill overruled, but then changed his decision telling Nelson to ask in the form of a hypothetical.

Nelson ask if partially ingested pills contain both fentanyl and methamphetamine had the DNA of the decedent, "is it fair to say that you would expect a peak fentanyl, respiratory depression, within about five minutes?"

Dr. Tobin: I mean obviously it will depend on how much of it was ingested a minute, just finding the pills won't tell you anything about whether any of it was ingested or some of it or anything.

He does confirm that if any is ingested, the peak would be in about 5 min.

https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1380235979588562952?s=21

After seeing the picture of the pill yesterday, it looked to me as if he had hardly ingested any of it. Imo

 

[ElizaKate]

Hi I'm in the UK so not sure of the sentences in the US. If DC gets sentenced to 2nd degree murder what sort of sentence would he get.

I have to admit (and please don't all hate me) I was thinking that DC's life is literally over whether he is charged guilty or not guilty and was thinking it was a shame because I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and thinking he didn't mean it. But looking at the footage really makes me think it was deliberate. My heart goes out to George Floyd's family and to him he seemed such a poor soul.

I continue to give DC the benefit of the doubt. Trial is a long way from being over. I'm waiting for Defense to convince me that GF died of overdose. Until then, I'll keep open mind (not so much that my brain falls out though )

I'm from the UK too

I came to the case from the other side thinking Chauvin is the worst of the worst, but interested in hearing the defense's case.

What I've learnt from watching this trial live (actually my first time watching a live trial) is that trial by media is a very real and very damaging thing.

I still have my opinion that is in favour of the state at present, but there are definitely things that I've come to learn from this trial already that make me consider points in favour of the defense, so before making any decision I await their case.

In the UK we don't really get that benefit as much. Yes we can read hundreds of pages of trial transcripts after the trial ends, but we don't get the benefit of understanding all the evidence at the time of the trial, and all we know is through the media.

One of the reasons I think the UK needs to catch up televised/live video trials IMO.

 

[MsBetsy]

All I see is a break for court tv lol

Me too. It still says, "we'll be right back."

 

[ElizaKate]

Wow Nelson is off his game today! The momentum has shifted to the state today. He’s losing his voice and he seems flustered/intimidated by this witness. JMO

Yes. I wondered tbh, if it was worth not cross examining this witness at all and just relying on his own expert later down the line.