MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #14 - Chauvin Trial Day 11
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Nelson must be fuming that he lost his motion to not allow this witness to testify.
He's making some very effective points when he's kept to a character limit. Ultimately state wanted him to get the videos played again and reiterate the most easy to understand and remember info for the jury after some very pertinent but more complex (for some) medical testimony. Good move MOO.
He's making some very effective points when he's kept to a character limit. Ultimately state wanted him to get the videos played again and reiterate the most easy to understand and remember info for the jury after some very pertinent but more complex (for some) medical testimony. Good move MOO.
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Exactly right. Cardiac muscle does not regenerate and you will see evidence of necrosis, or death to cardiac tissue, during autopsy. Scar tissue will build up over time which gives you the chance to estimate the timing of the event. DH has been an expert medical witness. He's impressed by the cardiologist today. We've heard from pulmonology, ER trauma, and now cardiac. I think the prosecution is being very thorough and jurors need to know why certain events the defense brings up can be ruled out.
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Stoughton: “Mr. Floyd said, ‘I can’t breathe,’ by my count, at least 27 times.”
Stoughton: “Mr. Floyd said, ‘I can’t breathe,’ by my count, at least 27 times.”
How does this guy know Chauvin had no reaction? Did the cam go to him? Sometimes I am just listening, not always "watching".
I know they have a pool reporter in there, but that pool reporter can't send anything electronically while there.
I'm not surprised if he didn't have a reaction, he hasn't reacted to much, and having the mask on, we are losing on facial expressions too, I wonder if that is a good/bad thing in trials.
I'm glad he started out by saying police officers have known about positional asphyxiation for thirty years. He then went on to describe all the things the officers did to actually cause asphyxiation.
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They played another clip and you hear Ofc. Lane saying Floyd’s not responsive to paramedics.
S: Back up to the threat factors certainly cannot be a threat if he's not responsive & now even more indication that the use of force is having a deleterious effects on his health.
Playing another clip.
Stoughton notes that bystanders are pleading w/officers, Ofc. Keung checks Floyd’s pulse before saying he can’t find a pulse. Stoughton says you hear Chauvin say “huh” and Keung clarifies. #DerekChauvinTrial
They played another clip and you hear Ofc. Lane saying Floyd’s not responsive to paramedics.
S: Back up to the threat factors certainly cannot be a threat if he's not responsive & now even more indication that the use of force is having a deleterious effects on his health.
Playing another clip.
Stoughton notes that bystanders are pleading w/officers, Ofc. Keung checks Floyd’s pulse before saying he can’t find a pulse. Stoughton says you hear Chauvin say “huh” and Keung clarifies. #DerekChauvinTrial
He certainly was beneficial to explain what GF may have meant when he said he was “hooping.” I am ok with them bringing a small amount of info in to humanize the victim, since he is dead and the jury cannot hear him tell his own story. He may have been a “perp” and an “addict” but he was also a son, brother, friend...human.
The use of face masks certainly obscures many facial reactions for DC and the jury. My verbal filter works so much better than my facial filter. When things get back to normal, non-masking work days, it will be even more of a challenge for me since my facial filter has been relatively unchecked for over a year.
Isn't this the witness that the judge said the questioning would be limited???
This does not seem limited
The Judge could have and should have set limits for all the medical expert testimony.
All JMO:
SO MANY actions, by GF and by each of the officers, contributed to how things went down that day. Obviously, if GF hadn't passed the alleged counterfeit bill, none of the rest of the events would have occurred. If GF hadn't fallen asleep in the vehicle outside afterward, he likely wouldn't have still been on site by the time officers attended at the scene, thereby eliminating the rest of the events. If he hadn't ignored Lane's command to show his hands, Lane may not have drawn his weapon. If Lane hadn't drawn his weapon, maybe GF wouldn't have been so anxious throughout the rest of the encounter. If GF hadn't ingested any drugs, maybe he would've been more compliant with officers, thereby eliminating the use of force demonstrated through the next steps of the encounter. Maybe if that well-intentioned onlooker hadn't been shouting 'You can't win, man', maybe that would have changed how GF behaved, or how officers responded. Maybe if DC hadn't shown up on scene when he did, officers may have been a little more patient and been able to calm GF down enough to get him into the squad without further incident. (I sensed a marked escalation of frustration, particularly from Keung, as soon as Chauvin arrived... Nobody wants to look like a failure in front of their 'mentor'.) Maybe if two rookies weren't partnered together and ended up being the responding officers first on scene, things would have been handled a bit differently from the beginning. I could go on for days with this minutia. Every step of the way there were little issues that, by a miniscule change of response by any involved party, that could have altered the outcome of the events.
What's abundantly clear to me, though, is that George Floyd ultimately lost his life because Derek Chauvin refused to release his knee(s), even after fellow officers had suggested turning him to the recovery position; even after fellow officers had advised that GF had no detectable pulse; even after (I'd argue 'in direct defiance of') several onlookers had expressed great concern over GF's well being. Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd, and he did so under the guise of his role as a Police Officer, thinking he'd get away with it. Disgusting.
SO MANY actions, by GF and by each of the officers, contributed to how things went down that day. Obviously, if GF hadn't passed the alleged counterfeit bill, none of the rest of the events would have occurred. If GF hadn't fallen asleep in the vehicle outside afterward, he likely wouldn't have still been on site by the time officers attended at the scene, thereby eliminating the rest of the events. If he hadn't ignored Lane's command to show his hands, Lane may not have drawn his weapon. If Lane hadn't drawn his weapon, maybe GF wouldn't have been so anxious throughout the rest of the encounter. If GF hadn't ingested any drugs, maybe he would've been more compliant with officers, thereby eliminating the use of force demonstrated through the next steps of the encounter. Maybe if that well-intentioned onlooker hadn't been shouting 'You can't win, man', maybe that would have changed how GF behaved, or how officers responded. Maybe if DC hadn't shown up on scene when he did, officers may have been a little more patient and been able to calm GF down enough to get him into the squad without further incident. (I sensed a marked escalation of frustration, particularly from Keung, as soon as Chauvin arrived... Nobody wants to look like a failure in front of their 'mentor'.) Maybe if two rookies weren't partnered together and ended up being the responding officers first on scene, things would have been handled a bit differently from the beginning. I could go on for days with this minutia. Every step of the way there were little issues that, by a miniscule change of response by any involved party, that could have altered the outcome of the events.
What's abundantly clear to me, though, is that George Floyd ultimately lost his life because Derek Chauvin refused to release his knee(s), even after fellow officers had suggested turning him to the recovery position; even after fellow officers had advised that GF had no detectable pulse; even after (I'd argue 'in direct defiance of') several onlookers had expressed great concern over GF's well being. Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd, and he did so under the guise of his role as a Police Officer, thinking he'd get away with it. Disgusting.
I haven't seen him react to anything throughout the whole trial. He's shown no remorse or emotion at all. If he testifies it will probably be a disaster.
Sometimes lawyers file motions, not to win them but to have them on the record for later appeals. I doubt he was fuming, he probably knew what the ruling would be, and Cahill did put some limitations, and he als somewhat agreed with Nelson and even said he is probably allowing the State too much..... but JMO.
It never made sense to me that they would pair two rookies together. However, one of the rookies was the one trying to follow protocol. There was no way DC was going to defer to the rookie’s suggestion to roll him into the recovery position, although it was the proper protocol. Everyone knew it had gone way too far- except DC. He either knew or didn’t care IMO.
At least he was able to point out that when Williams was yelling "he's not responsive," Lane confirmed he had passed out, and Chauvin still would not take any steps to help Floyd.I just went back to this morning... prosecutor said he didn't expect his direct testimony to be more than 90 minutes
Judge put a limitation on his testimony about the crowd. So didn't limit much
I still can't understand how the officers could hear the sound of the bystander's voices pleading with them, and not feel anything or react. During Thao's interview he was asked how he felt afterwards or if he and Chauvin had talked about it and he just said no.
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They just played a clip from Ofc. Thao’s BWC video. Stoughton notes that you hear him say “this is why you don’t do drugs, kids.” “
…If you are worried about interference from bystanders. You don't say things that are likely to exacerbate that situation.” #DerekChauvinTrial
They just played a clip from Ofc. Thao’s BWC video. Stoughton notes that you hear him say “this is why you don’t do drugs, kids.” “
…If you are worried about interference from bystanders. You don't say things that are likely to exacerbate that situation.” #DerekChauvinTrial
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I questioned the two rookies being paired for duty as well. I remember the first sergeant testified that at the start of the shift, after roll call and any updates, he allocated who would be paired together. I believe his name may have been Pleuger and he is now retired
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