MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #5 - Chauvin Trial Day 2

[happyday]

Let me ask you this...
If they let her in, and she wasn't an EMT, and she treated him and he died, who would be responsible? Although every other part of that scene was beyond belief, I think they did the right thing by not letting her touch him. I know hindsight is 20/20, but she had nothing to make them believe she was an EMT.

For me what is more important is that as an EMT she KNEW what she was looking at and was frantically trying to get the man in danger some help to no avail. Whether it was her or a LEO providing some aid I don’t think is important. It’s that yet another witness comes on scene and pleads for help for this man who was dying before everyone’s eyes. And that witness happened to be an EMT.

 

[Katerz]

Let me ask you this...
If they let her in, and she wasn't an EMT, and she treated him and he died, who would be responsible? Although every other part of that scene was beyond belief, I think they did the right thing by not letting her touch him. I know hindsight is 20/20, but she had nothing to make them believe she was an EMT.

Then let me ask this, sort of off topic. Let’s say you are involved in a serious car accident and you’re severely injured and waiting for first responders after someone has called 911, and a nurse/doctor/firefighter that’s off duty comes running up stating who they are.. are you going to deny them to let them help until they prove they’re who they say they are??

these cops, especially DC, knew what they were doing. They knew they should have rendered first aid, but refused to do so. They knew he was dying. DC was getting pleasure from showing the authority he was showing. JMO. They didn’t let her in because she would’ve tried to save him. If she were a male (not as the same as Donald Williams or GF, I’m not going to say it but you can see my reference to that), they may have let her in.

 

[ilovewings]

I really wish she had not come across as so hostile. She is an important witness and needs to be a little more respectful of the court. Very disappointing.

Juries don't particularly cotton to hostile witnesses--- it may not go over well with them

 

[Chelly]

As much as I liked and sympathized with the firefighter, the judge is the Boss. Never argue with the judge. Answer: Yes, your honor. No, your honor. PERIOD.
https://twitter.com/LawCrimeNetwork

 

[margarita25]

Question: (still behind here):

If she recognized DC from a previous call, I am wondering if she happened to state to him, “Hey, remember me, I was there yesterday...”

Just wondering, will have to watch the video again.

I can’t keep up lol.

 

[ilovewings]

She was good until she fell apart. Arguing with the court isn’t a good look.

Nothing makes the defense happier than getting the witness riled up and hostile- it can only benefit the defense

 

[MsBetsy]

Her testimony imo could work in the defense's favor. According to her professional experience, medical help should have been there in two minutes. The time it took to respond was unacceptable. Nelson elaborated on that to raise doubt and to take the blame away from Chauvin, as the reason he died, and place it on dispatch/EMT's response time. IE, he may have died because of delayed medical care. I believe this will help him during closing arguments.
He was hoping to frustrate her enough to make her snap, showing the jury she was "one of those angry crowd members." Having the jury removed like that is not a good thing, especially if they don't know why. It didn't help her at all. imo.

She shouldn't have said she didn't believe police called for help at 8:21. I don't think the response time is as important as police not giving specific details to paramedics. A "medical event" could be anything. They might have been better prepared if they were told he was unconscious and had no pulse for 2 or 3 minutes.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

What gets me about all this is the fact they wouldn’t even check his pulse. That’s what was being called out verbally over and over.

I’ve done some wrestling in my life (lol Magz confessions) - you can “feel” when someone stops resisting. Jmo

They did take his pulse, more than once (Lanes' partner) and said to Lane he couldn't find one (I posted video with timestamp upthread of when it was said)

 

[margarita25]

GF needed immediate aid and these Officer's are trained to do so. They chose not to.

I found it particularly, significant, in Blackwell’s opening statement yesterday, when he was talking about the various CPR trainings, etc. that DC has undergone in his career.

They did take his pulse, more than once (Lanes' partner) and said to Lane he couldn't find one (I posted video with timestamp upthread of when it was said)

(Oh really?? Oh man. Ok my bad, thank you, I missed this. I will correct my post now. I should probably shut up and pay attention & watch the trial instead of giving wrestling confessions )

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Eta:
DUH - It’s right here, my bad, you said this very clearly. (I’m still back at 16:00 on that video)

Lane, his partner Kueng, and Chauvin knew he didn't have a pulse. (Lane's partner Kueng checks at 18:03 and says "I can't find one"..and Lane and his partner then get off of GF at that time...and other times in video below they check) EMT knew he didn't have a pulse. That's the first thing they did when on EMS got on scene as shown in video below toward the end. (Can be seen more clearly on the bystander video which we've seen)

The reason they loaded and left so quickly, and told them they were going to a few blocks away was because at 20:15 it was said by LE "lets' get him out of here", probably due to the gathering crowd MOO. The video posted upthread toward the end shows Lane in the ambulance and what was done to finally give mechanical compressions at 59:13:00. It also shows that as Lane leaves, he comes back to the ambulance and the mechanical compressions that were going on had ended at 1:04:35.

MOO

WARNING - VERY UPSETTING AND GRAPHIC - ROLL AND SCROLL IF YOU DON'T WANT TO VIEW

 

[Rocky1]

Also none of these Officer's provided any aid to GF.

Is that because they didn't think he was dying? There's never been a case of someone dying from a neckhold in Mpls.
Or, did he intend to kill him? He's on trial for second degree "unintentional" homicide.

 

[Chelly]

I doubt Nelson is done with Williams yet. My guess is the defense will have an "expert" witness claiming most of what Williams said was not true.
Remember. These so called "expert witnesses" are paid to sway the jury by testifying in favor of the side that they are testifying for. The one with a better sounding story wins.

And we know those paid "expert" witnesses will swing towards whomever is writing the check.

 

[Bravo]

Yes but Jurors also understand all these witnesses were present for a horrific crime and those sworn to serve and protect would not render aid, knew leaning on a neck could have a catastrophic result. It had to be so surreal for them in the moment.

 

[SouthAussie]

IMO today was another win for the Prosecution. Sometimes emotions, frustrations, fatigue etc. can get the best of a witness.

I think the jury will be human enough to understand that it is completely upsetting to have to relive the day that you watched a man die when you were perfectly trained and able to try to help him, and were not allowed to do so.

What did the defense achieve? Nothing.
Whether this witness snapped at someone in the courtroom is irrelevant. The witness didn't snap at Chauvin or intimidate him on the day that George was killed ... there are videos to prove it.

imo

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Let me ask you this...
If they let her in, and she wasn't an EMT, and she treated him and he died, who would be responsible? Although every other part of that scene was beyond belief, I think they did the right thing by not letting her touch him. I know hindsight is 20/20, but she had nothing to make them believe she was an EMT.

Or what if something happened to her?

 

[Algo214]

They did. Fire/Emt's had been called before she showed up.

And also to your previous post.

So what is their defense, "he would've stopped earlier if the Ambulance had shown up before" ? that's not gonna hold at all.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

The beginning of this video will play a crucial role for the defense. So far this hasn’t been brought up a trial.

MN - George Floyd, 46, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 **Media & Timeline - NO DISCUSSION

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Juries don't particularly cotton to hostile witnesses--- it may not go over well with them

Especially when the defense attorney was very unassuming,and respectful to the witness.

I believe her testimony, but I don't think she should have been combative for there was no need to do so or come across like she knows everything acting like the defense lawyer is stupid.

It's just not warranted.

Jmho

 

[Rocky1]

Nobody would be responsible for rendering aid as a lay person. Good Samaritan Law. Many folks in the general public know CPR and First Aid and have had to use it. Course are available to the general public.

The cops would have been responsible.

 

[MsBetsy]

They did take his pulse, more than once (Lanes' partner) and said to Lane he couldn't find one (I posted video with timestamp upthread of when it was said)

Yeah, but that was not until after they had been restraining him with Chauvin kneeling on his neck for about 6 minutes. Even after he was unconscious and they found no pulse, they didn't stop. They kept it up 3 minutes after he lost consciousness, and about a minute and a half after he was dead. (had no pulse)

 

[SouthAussie]

The cops would have been responsible.

Would have been ... except they proved they were irresponsible.