MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *officers charged* #3

[dixiegirl1035]

It sure seems like that could have waiting until this trial was over. I know with the media coverage today on this that some PJ or already seated jurors are going to hear this and it is very very prejudicial. The timing is really not good. Usually the civil trial follows the State trial.

For good reason... SMH.

Many times it is done to bring out testimony that would not have been allowed if it had not been done.. I need to catch up to see if that is what happened.

I am disappointed with the lawyer if this indeed impacts trial, and they didn't get testimony which otherwise would have not been obtained.

Yes, there are situations to do civil trial for such... and I did not follow AT ALL.

What came in during the civil trial that the criminal trial would not have gleaned?

I'm not liking this maybe... as to impact to this trial MOO... I think... hmmmm

 

[PrairieWind]

Keep in mind that it's likely the insurance company that agreed to the settlement.

(Long ago I was a SteelTownGirl!!!)

jmho ymmv lrr

Minneapolis is self insured so this comes out of their own funds. So the city council decided this, not an insurance company.

 

[PrairieWind]

Keep in mind that it's likely the insurance company that agreed to the settlement.

(Long ago I was a SteelTownGirl!!!)

jmho ymmv lrr

Minneapolis is self insured so this comes out of their own funds. So the city council decided this, not an insurance company.

 

[jennieohhh]

Maybe the family will do good with the money like reforming black youth & communities.

 

[shotgun09]

not much progress made today....such young jurors...we need some age balance here...at least one more woman for today. I am still trouble by juror 9 the "excited " young woman who said "awesome" when selected.

IMO, this exuberant young lady might be already planning her wardrobe and makeup for her upcoming Oprah interview....
I also feel that she might be one of the first to be 'excused' as the trial progresses....

 

[Rocky1]

It sure seems like that could have waiting until this trial was over. I know with the media coverage today on this that some PJ or already seated jurors are going to hear this and it is very very prejudicial. The timing is really not good. Usually the civil trial follows the State trial.

I couldn't agree more. If the City Counsel had a spine, they would have waited for the criminal trial to be over. When they are, and have been trying to replace the entire Police Department with a"Public Safety Agency" it's obvious they have caved. They wanted to settle before the trial because the city is being held hostage pending a guilty verdict.

So, let's break this down. 27 million settled in a civil suit without a trial. A settlement before the criminal trial that may acquit a man that's innocent until proven guilty, unless you are a city counsel member, where the verdict has already been reached.

If the reason for a settlement/judgement is to make someone whole, then I agree that Floyd's family should be compensated.

George's family is entitled to funeral and burial expenses. Floyd Mayweather paid those, All 4 of them, ($88.500) so they didn't have any expenses.

Loss of income, wages and benefits suffered by the family. (which if this went to trial, the family would have to prove loss of income, any services like for example if an outside service cut the grass or cleaned the house etc also know as "pecuniary damages")
His child didn't lose wages and her entire college tuition is paid for by Kane West, so she didn't lose any.
Floyd has 2 brothers and sisters. Let's say they each earn $75,000 each a year. It's been 10 months since George died and I'm not sure if they are back to work yet, so let's say 1 year x $300,000.

Hospital expenses. I'm sure George had hospital expenses when he was taken to the hospital. Think $100,000 would cover that if he didn't have insurance or someone didn't pick up the tab?

Sorrow, Mental Anguish, and Loss of Solace and Companionship. (Non Economic Loss) The family would have to prove by preponderance of the evidence they suffered this, or they are not compensated.
Let's say for conversation sake, $1,000,000 each. 4 million.

So, a $4,475,000 loss, and a record $26,500,000 settlement. Let's not forget the $17,000,000 profit the family collected with the Go-Fund-Me. Were they not made whole before the lawsuit? I have never heard of an additional $500,000 awarded in a civil case to go to a neighborhood that as of now is an autonomous zone in which the taxpayers that got caught holding the bill for, can't even travel through.

 

[SouthAussie]

I couldn't agree more. If the City Counsel had a spine, they would have waited for the criminal trial to be over. When they are, and have been trying to replace the entire Police Department with a"Public Safety Agency" it's obvious they have caved. They wanted to settle before the trial because the city is being held hostage pending a guilty verdict.

So, let's break this down. 27 million settled in a civil suit without a trial. A settlement before the criminal trial that may acquit a man that's innocent until proven guilty, unless you are a city counsel member, where the verdict has already been reached.

If the reason for a settlement/judgement is to make someone whole, then I agree that Floyd's family should be compensated.

George's family is entitled to funeral and burial expenses. Floyd Mayweather paid those, All 4 of them, ($88.500) so they didn't have any expenses.

Loss of income, wages and benefits suffered by the family. (which if this went to trial, the family would have to prove loss of income, any services like for example if an outside service cut the grass or cleaned the house etc also know as "pecuniary damages")
His child didn't lose wages and her entire college tuition is paid for by Kane West, so she didn't lose any.
Floyd has 2 brothers and sisters. Let's say they each earn $75,000 each a year. It's been 10 months since George died and I'm not sure if they are back to work yet, so let's say 1 year x $300,000.

Hospital expenses. I'm sure George had hospital expenses when he was taken to the hospital. Think $100,000 would cover that if he didn't have insurance or someone didn't pick up the tab?

Sorrow, Mental Anguish, and Loss of Solace and Companionship. (Non Economic Loss) The family would have to prove by preponderance of the evidence they suffered this, or they are not compensated.
Let's say for conversation sake, $1,000,000 each. 4 million.

So, a $4,475,000 loss, and a record $26,500,000 settlement. Let's not forget the $17,000,000 profit the family collected with the Go-Fund-Me. Were they not made whole before the lawsuit? I have never heard of an additional $500,000 awarded in a civil case to go to a neighborhood that as of now is an autonomous zone in which the taxpayers that got caught holding the bill for, can't even travel through.

I have a feeling that it is going to get a lot more expensive for the city and the taxpayers if Derek Chauvin is not convicted.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Lauren Leamanczyk
@LaurenKARE11
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Here's a breakdown of the jurors so far based on their own questionnaire responses:
No. 2: white male; 20s
No. 9: multi/mixed race woman; 20s
No. 19: white male; 30s
No. 20: white male; 30s
No. 27: black male; 30s
No. 36: Hispanic male; 20s
No. 44: white woman; 50s

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Jury Selection
3/12/21

Juror #42 - Dismissed
Female, recent college grad and described herself as a "genuine person." She said she believes police reform is needed, and that she attended a protest after GFs death. She told defense attorney Eric Nelson that she can set her opinions aside to listen to the case fairly.

Juror #43 - Dismissed

Juror #44 - Selected
Female, white woman in her 40s or 50s who works as a C-level executive in the nonprofit sectorbelieves there is systemic racism in the criminal justice system, based on her work in the nonprofit realm. However, she told the defense that she can look at the case in a fair and unbiased manner. She said she is an "analytical" person and will make a facts-based decision.

Juror #45 - Dismissed on 3/8

Juror #46 - Dismissed
Female, doesn't have time to participate. She is stating that she is going to move during trial.. is going to get a new job during trial.. but hasn't told her new employer she is potential juror.. sidebar.

Juror #47 - Dismissed on 3/8

Juror #48 - Dismissed
Male, white man with grey hair in his 40's or 50’s, says he is "easygoing", has a wife and kids, served in the Army Reserve. Has a trip scheduled for his wife's 40th birthday scheduled for during the trial. He says it's moveable - "this takes precedence”, said that the bystanders to Floyd's arrest could have increased the stress for the officers as they were being watched and recorded.

Juror #49 - Dismissed
Male, says it will be tough to put aside his opinions because he's heard so much about it.

Juror #50 - Dismissed on 3/8

 

[Niner]

On the preemptive strikes - State has 5/9 & defense - 8/15 - ?? or 7/15??

TIA!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

On the preemptive strikes - State has 5/9 & defense - 8/15 - ?? or 7/15??

TIA!

Can't find such info updated as all the media is on the settlement. Perhaps on Monday we'll get an update.

 

[Niner]

Can't find such info updated as all the media is on the settlement. Perhaps on Monday we'll get an update.

They were at 7/15 on Thursday - did they strike anybody on Friday? I thought I read that there was one PJ that was - or am I thinking wrong?

 

[shotgun09]

Prosecution used a strike on the Iraq war veteran PJ #48 yesterday, 3/12

 

[Niner]

Prosecution used a strike on the Iraq war veteran PJ #48 yesterday, 3/12

Thanks - I caught that one - I have prosecution at 5/9.

 

[shotgun09]

The first PJ was stricken by the defense yesterday ( 3/12 ) Juror # 42 I believe. That was their 8th strike. She was not questioned by the State at all.

 

[Niner]

The first PJ was stricken by the defense yesterday ( 3/12 ) Juror # 42 I believe. That was their 8th strike. She was not questioned by the State at all.

Ah - that is the one I was trying to remember! Thanks!

 

[circe221]

Maybe the family will do good with the money like reforming black youth & communities.

Or assisting folks who have a family member that is a victim of police brutality, excessive force, etc. who may need help with legal fees, etc.

 

[Laughing]

Maybe the family will do good with the money like reforming black youth & communities.

Or convicting the dealers selling the fentanyl:

His fentanyl-laced heroin killed a Baton Rouge woman, police say. Now he faces a rare murder charge

Drug dealers can now be charged in overdose deaths of those they sell to

Suspected Melbourne drug dealer charged with murder in fentanyl overdose case

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[sds71]

At the heart of Derek Chauvin’s trial is this question: What killed George Floyd?
Seven experts in toxicology, cardiology and illegal drug use consulted by The Washington Post largely disagreed with that idea, most of them strenuously. All but one said the autopsy findings and other court documents, coupled with the well-known chain of events that evening, made death by a fentanyl overdose unlikely to impossible. (One expert, Craig Beavers, chair of the American College of Cardiology’s cardiovascular team section, said he did not have enough information about all the circumstances to form a final conclusion.)

“From my review of the video and the autopsy report, I see nothing that makes me think he died of an opioid overdose,” said Kavita Babu, chief opioid officer and chief of the Division of Medical Toxicology at UMass Memorial Health Care in Worcester, Mass. Instead, she and others said, the defense uses events out of order and medical findings out of context to deflect blame from Chauvin to Floyd.

Two autopsies — one by a county medical examiner and another by a private medical examiner hired by Floyd’s family — as well as a review by military experts conducted for the federal government, reached the conclusion that Floyd died of cardiopulmonary arrest as the officers subduing him compressed his neck and chest.

Andrew Baker — the medical examiner in Minnesota’s Hennepin County, who is expected to be a key witness in the trial — formally declared Floyd’s death a homicide in June, listing “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression” as the cause of death.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...d4f328-76ec-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

 

[Laughing]

At the heart of Derek Chauvin’s trial is this question: What killed George Floyd?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...d4f328-76ec-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

If George Floyd died in his own home, the coroner's cause of death would be fentanyl overdose or heart disease complicated by fentanyl overdose.

We would not know Derek Chauvin's name.

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