MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *officers charged* #3

[circe221]

If George Floyd died in his own home, the coroner's cause of death would be fentanyl overdose or heart disease complicated by fentanyl overdose.

We would not know Derek Chauvin's name.

jmho ymmv lrr

But he didn't, hence the trial.

 

[Rocky1]

My question is this.
If Chauvin's knee was the reason George Floyd couldn't breath, then why was Floyd complaining he couldn't breath before he was on the ground?
If you look up the video on You Tube "Thomas Lane Bodycam Video of George Floyd's death, [email protected] on, you'll see it.
I'd post the link here, but for some reason it's labeled "Inappropriate or offensive for some users", so I won't.
Odd the media hasn't been playing this video. I wonder why.

 

[sds71]

“The ability to speak does not mean the patient is without danger,” said Dr. Mariell Jessup, chief science and medical officer of the American Heart Association.
Medical experts: Floyd's speech didn't mean he could breathe

The origin of the pernicious myth that speaking signals adequate breathing is unclear but may be an extrapolation from first aid training for choking. Multiple training sources cite the inability to talk as a sign of choking along with other late signs of respiratory compromise, including dusky skin or loss of consciousness (7). It is true that if you cannot move any air you cannot speak. However, the reverse is not true: You can move enough air to produce sound but not be able to breathe enough to sustain the gas exchange needed to prevent organ damage from hypoxemia.
ACP Journals’

 

[sds71]

My question is this.
If Chauvin's knee was the reason George Floyd couldn't breath, then why was Floyd complaining he couldn't breath before he was on the ground?
If you look up the video on You Tube "Thomas Lane Bodycam Video of George Floyd's death, [email protected] on, you'll see it.
I'd post the link here, but for some reason it's labeled "Inappropriate or offensive for some users", so I won't.
Odd the media hasn't been playing this video. I wonder why.

I’ve seen the body cam
Lane tells Chauvin to flip GF over.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

My question is this.
If Chauvin's knee was the reason George Floyd couldn't breath, then why was Floyd complaining he couldn't breath before he was on the ground?
If you look up the video on You Tube "Thomas Lane Bodycam Video of George Floyd's death, [email protected] on, you'll see it.
I'd post the link here, but for some reason it's labeled "Inappropriate or offensive for some users", so I won't.
Odd the media hasn't been playing this video. I wonder why.

Exactly! He relayed he had difficulty breathing. Excellent point!

I often in my life have reached out to someone who was getting anxious for a health issue. Reverse, Just last year I could NOT breathe due to allergy and was VERY excited and was banging on a door and getting very very agitated...

If it was someones mother, or someone loved that was having difficulty breathing due to unknown reason and they were handcuffed on the ground.... and that person on the ground stopped moving after they told me I was anxious (even when on drugs) and could not breath, (many have anxiety just as such situation) and upset...would one expect to be put me on the ground with their knee on my neck which is a risky move even for a person who was not in stated (or non-stated) distress... and minutes afterwards of limplessness?

Good point...

 

[Rocky1]

I’ve seen the body cam
Lane tells Chauvin to flip GF over.

I believe he asked if he wanted to flip him to the side. Chauvin said no.
I may be wrong, but I believe the first report from the Minn. PD, was that Floyd died at the hospital? If that's the case, then why , when Lane opened the ambulance door at timestamp 33.53, was the CPR machine no longer running?
I'm sure all this will be presented at trial, and we will hear from all the so called "experts" that are bought and paid for by each side to testify to whatever they want them to, but I just think the media has been bias from the beginning by only showing the video of Floyd from the bystanders phone. The date on this You Tube video was August 2020, so it's been out for a while. Then again, I may have missed it.
I do think this video will raise doubt as to whether Floyd couldn't breathe due to the knee on his neck, if he was complaining about not being able to breathe before he was taken to the ground. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Several times Lane asks Floyd what type of drug he took, He also states to the woman driving in the second ambulance that in his experience, people pass out from drugs and come back, so did Lane have any reason to think Floyd was dying? Did the same hold true for Chauvin?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I believe he asked if he wanted to flip him to the side. Chauvin sai
I may be wrong, but I believe the first report from the Minn. PD, was that Floyd died at the hospital? If that's the case, then why , when Lane opened the ambulance door at timestamp 33.53, was the CPR machine no longer running?
I'm sure all this will be presented at trial, and we will hear from all the so called "experts" that are bought and paid for by each side to testify to whatever they want them to, but I just think the media has been bias from the beginning by only showing the video of Floyd from the bystanders phone. The date on this You Tube video was August 2020, so it's been out for a while. Then again, I may have missed it.
I do think this video will raise doubt as to whether Floyd couldn't breathe due to the knee on his neck, if he was complaining about not being able to breathe before he was taken to the ground. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Several times Lane asks Floyd what type of drug he took, He also states to the woman driving in the second ambulance that in his experience, people pass out from drugs and come back, so did Lane have any reason to think Floyd was dying? Did the same hold true for Chauvin?

Initial reports were at the hospital as that was protocol. We have seen and since learned that the ambulance stopped to let LE out. He was "pronounced" at the hospital per "protocol", but is clear he was dead at the scene when he was rolled up and whisked away. MOO

 

[shotgun09]

Lawyers Say $27M Settlement Could Seriously Impact Derek Chauvin's Trial

"Joe Tamburino, a criminal defense attorney not affiliated with the case, lays out some options Chauvin’s team has.

“They could make a motion for a mistrial based on an argument that there was some influence on a jury,” he said. “They could make a motion to change venue. They could also ask to have the seven jurors who have been picked so far to come back and be re-questioned.”

We reached out to the city of Minneapolis to ask why the settlement was announced before the trial’s concluded.

A spokesperson referred us to something City Attorney Jim Rowader said Friday at the press conference announcing the settlement.

“We’re trying to be very respectful of the criminal proceedings that are now underway and we’re in the middle of jury selection,” Rowader said. “I think it would be very wise for all of us to refrain from commenting on something that’s ongoing.”

Chris Stewart, an attorney for George Floyd’s family, said they weren’t going to delay justice in the civil suit waiting for the outcome in the criminal trial.

Moriarty says news of the settlement being out there could become an issue in a potential appeal, which is something the state wants to avoid."

 

[SouthAussie]

Initial reports were at the hospital as that was protocol. We have seen and since learned that the ambulance stopped to let LE out. He was "pronounced" at the hospital per "protocol", but is clear he was dead at the scene when he was rolled up and whisked away. MOO

Didn't we read at one point that ambulance officers do not/cannot pronounce death? If a person is deceased in the ambulance, or before being put into the ambulance, they are declared DOA at the hospital?

I think that this is because there is a factor that experts in the hospital may be able to revive them (unlikely, but possible in some random cases).

As you say, protocol.

 

[Rocky1]

Lawyers Say $27M Settlement Could Seriously Impact Derek Chauvin's Trial

"Joe Tamburino, a criminal defense attorney not affiliated with the case, lays out some options Chauvin’s team has.

“They could make a motion for a mistrial based on an argument that there was some influence on a jury,” he said. “They could make a motion to change venue. They could also ask to have the seven jurors who have been picked so far to come back and be re-questioned.”

We reached out to the city of Minneapolis to ask why the settlement was announced before the trial’s concluded.

A spokesperson referred us to something City Attorney Jim Rowader said Friday at the press conference announcing the settlement.

“We’re trying to be very respectful of the criminal proceedings that are now underway and we’re in the middle of jury selection,” Rowader said. “I think it would be very wise for all of us to refrain from commenting on something that’s ongoing.”

Chris Stewart, an attorney for George Floyd’s family, said they weren’t going to delay justice in the civil suit waiting for the outcome in the criminal trial.

Moriarty says news of the settlement being out there could become an issue in a potential appeal, which is something the state wants to avoid."

I agree with everything that Joe Tamburino stated in reference to the trial. It also sends a clear message that if you want to sue a city, head on over to Minneapolis, where the city counsel is spineless, where a person is guilty before being found guilty in a court of law, and you can hold them hostage for millions without a fight.

If Jim Rowdader was respectful of the criminal trial, he would have advised his clients to not approve the settlement til after the trial. There's no need to comment. Unless you live under a rock, everyone knows the reason.

Chris Stewart has no say as to when and if justice is delayed. The city could have gone to trial and dragged this out for a very long time if they wanted to.

 

[Rocky1]

Didn't we read at one point that ambulance officers do not/cannot pronounce death? If a person is deceased in the ambulance, or before being put into the ambulance, they are declared DOA at the hospital?

I think that this is because there is a factor that experts in the hospital may be able to revive them (unlikely, but possible in some random cases).

As you say, protocol.

You're right. In some states a Paramedic can declare somebody dead. Minnesota is not one.
Medical Certifier Reference - Minnesota Dept. of Health.

 

[turaj]

In media report after media report here in Minneapolis they are talking about the George Floyd Murder Trial. Seems a judgement has already been rendered?

 

[shotgun09]

In media report after media report here in Minneapolis they are talking about the George Floyd Murder Trial. Seems a judgement has already been rendered?

From the Media?!! Shirley you jest!! ( Surely)

 

[SouthAussie]

You're right. In some states a Paramedic can declare somebody dead. Minnesota is not one.
Medical Certifier Reference - Minnesota Dept. of Health.

Thanks. I thought we read about that in the Justine Damond case. That case gave some of us a bit of familiarity about how things work in Minneapolis.

 

[Gibbo214]

I believe he asked if he wanted to flip him to the side. Chauvin said no.
I may be wrong, but I believe the first report from the Minn. PD, was that Floyd died at the hospital? If that's the case, then why , when Lane opened the ambulance door at timestamp 33.53, was the CPR machine no longer running?
I'm sure all this will be presented at trial, and we will hear from all the so called "experts" that are bought and paid for by each side to testify to whatever they want them to, but I just think the media has been bias from the beginning by only showing the video of Floyd from the bystanders phone. The date on this You Tube video was August 2020, so it's been out for a while. Then again, I may have missed it.
I do think this video will raise doubt as to whether Floyd couldn't breathe due to the knee on his neck, if he was complaining about not being able to breathe before he was taken to the ground. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Several times Lane asks Floyd what type of drug he took, He also states to the woman driving in the second ambulance that in his experience, people pass out from drugs and come back, so did Lane have any reason to think Floyd was dying? Did the same hold true for Chauvin?

He did not only have the knee on his neck, he had two people kneeling on his back where his lungs would be.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

He did not only have the knee on his neck, he had two people kneeling on his back where his lungs would be.

Indeed, so many contributing factors and I wish the jurors wisdom to discern it all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...d4f328-76ec-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

 

[Niner]

Monday, March 15th:
*Trial continues with Jury Selection (Day 5) (Motions hearing @ 8am & jury selection @ 9am CT) - MN – George Perry Floyd, Jr. (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44/will be 45 in 7 days) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (Note: on 10/14/20 this has been changed to 9 minutes & 30 seconds) (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:27pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter. Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act (3rd degree charge was dismissed on 10/22/20 & reinstated on 3/11/21) & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M with conditions. Posted non-cash $1M bond (10/7/20) & has been released from jail.
Trial began on 3/8/21 with jury selection. Jury selection could run through March 26, 2021. Opening statements & the commencement of the State’s case will begin no earlier than March 29, 2021. Experts anticipate the trial could last 2-4 weeks. Jurors: 12 & 2 alternates. Jurors will be sequestered during deliberations. None of the other officers will be testifying at Chauvin’s trial.
Jurors seated as of 3/12/21: 1) Juror #2: White man in his 20s. 2) Juror #9: Multi-racial woman in her 20s. 3) Juror #19: White man in his 30s. 4) Juror #20: White man in his late 30s. 5) Juror #27: Black man in his 30s. 6) Juror #36: Hispanic man in his 20s. 7) Juror #44: White woman in her 50s. 5-men/2-women.
Bond conditions & court info & jury selection (3/9 thru 3/10) from 12/19/20 thru 3/10/21 reference post #349 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *officers charged* #3
3/11/21 Thursday, Day 3 of Jury Selection: Judge Cahill is currently hearing arguments on whether to reinstate the 3rd degree murder charge against Chauvin & has now reinstated a 3rd degree murder charge. Judge tells one of the jurors that they will sequestered during deliberations. Juror #31 - Dismissed, male. Juror #32 – Dismissed on 3/8. Juror #33 – Dismissed. Juror #34 – Dismissed. Juror #35 - Dismissed on 3/8/21. Juror #36 – Selected, male. Juror #37 – Dismissed, female. Juror #38 – Dismissed, male. Juror #39 – Dismissed, male. Juror #40 – Dismissed, male. Juror #41 – Dismissed, female. No more jurors for the day. No motions tomorrow, jury selection continues on 3/12/21 at 9am. Defense has used 7/15 strikes & State 4/9 strikes.
3/12/21 Friday, Day 4 of Jury Selection: No motions this morning. Juror #42 – Dismissed, female. Juror #43 – Dismissed back on 3/8. Juror #44 - Selected, female. Juror #45 – Dismissed on 3/8. Juror #46 – Dismissed, female. Juror #47 – Dismissed on 3/8. Juror #48 – Dismissed, male. Juror #49 – Dismissed, male. Juror #50 – Dismissed on 3/8. Judge & attorneys go into chambers. State has used 5/9 strikes & defense has used 8/15. Jury selection continues on Monday, 3/15/21 at 8am for any motions, jury selection starts at 9am.
*Charged (7/22/20) with 6 counts of aiding & abetting taxes-false or fraudulent returns-filed with commissioner & 3 counts aiding & abetting taxes-failure to file return, report, document. – Omnibus hearing on 6/30/21.
*Divorce – Was settled on 2/3/21.

 

[turaj]

From the Media?!! Shirley you jest!! ( Surely)

Guess I don't get your reply...people here in MPLS read and listen to local media...they are influenced and this is how it is referred to.

 

[JerseyGirl]

#DerekChauvinTrial jury selection by the #s:

Peremptory Challenges:

Defense has used 8/15 strikes (#1, 4, 26, 28, 30, 39, 40, 42)

State has used 5/15 strikes (#8, 23, 29, 38, 48)

Up Next:

Judge Cahill said to expect Jurors #51, 52, 54, 55 to begin this morning. #GeorgeFloyd

https://twitter.com/paulblume_fox9/status/1371449351831175168?s=21

 

[shotgun09]

In media report after media report here in Minneapolis they are talking about the George Floyd Murder Trial. Seems a judgement has already been rendered?

Guess I don't get your reply...people here in MPLS read and listen to local media...they are influenced and this is how it is referred to.

No Problem. I have a sarcastic bite to my statements sometimes. I just put together "Media report after media report" with rendered judgement in your statement. My opinions on the media are slanted. No harm at all meant to the fine people in MPLS.