GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #18 - Chauvin Closing & Deliberations #1

[Inthedetails]

I don't understand your post.

The chart posted upthread just a short while go lays this out (though that particular charge is more confusing that the others, imo).

jmo

 

[Boodles]

Chauvin should have left his mask on. His face is too smug for the moment. Much like the knee on the neck posture. MOO

I couldn’t agree more. It’s really interesting to see his expressions without the mask. It’s almost (almost) a defiant type look.

 

[Rhozwen]

Backing up a bit, I was struck by the detail Nelson presented about how much attention Chauvin had to pay to the condition of the crowd in order to assess what might happen....but never (or only briefly) mentioned paying attention to Mr Floyd’s condition and what might happen.
JMO

This crowd issue really hits a nerve with me. The crowd was upset because DC was not offering basic medical aid to a dying man. It's not like they were protesting something unrelated and were attacking the cops out of anger. They were upset and yelling because he was not helping GF and instead kneeling on him after he was unresponsive.

 

[CrimeAway]

I will never forget the look on Chauvins face when pulled out that taser. It was terrifying. To me. My internet keeps cutting out Grrrr.....

He pulled out a taser? When was that? Maybe I missed it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The chart posted upthread just a short while go lays this out (though that particular charge is more confusing that the others, imo).

jmo

Which charge? You didn't mention it.

 

[MadMcGoo]

3rd degree - the death of GF by an intentional act...

2nd degree while commiting a felony... intentionally applied unlawful force .... (part of the assault in 3rd degree)

So, both require intent to find guilty?

that is from the State's graphic:

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That’s the way I’m reading it. Though none require the intent to commit murder, those two require some element of intent. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Nelson is taking a page from the State and using still frames to make his point. JMO

 

[Katerz]

Why is Chauvin squeezing his fingers like that?????

 

[Rhozwen]

Am I missing something here...Nelson is making the case for "lack of intent" but that is not a requirement for any of the charges...correct?

This may have been answered already, but if not, 2nd degree murder charge the intent in question is: did DC intentionally apply unlawful force.

 

[sorrell skye]

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intent is mentioned in charges.

Intent is listed in the elements necessary to convict.

For instance: The third element pertaining to the 2nd Degree Murder charge:

The Defendant, at the time of causing the death of George Floyd, was committing or attempting to commit the felony offense of Assault in the Third Degree:

The Defendant assaulted George Floyd - intentionally applied unlawful force to Mr. Floyd without his consent, resulting in bodily harm.
The Defendant inflicted substantial bodily harm on George Floyd.

IMO, the State proved that element (and all other elements) beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Lilibet]

Nelson is saying Floyd was actually in the side recovery position for the first two minutes on the ground. So how does that change what happened in the remaining 7+ minutes?

ETA: Nelson is saying that the prosecution showing only moment in time is misleading.

 

[Katerz]

Nelson showing these videos is more damaging to his case than any words he can voice. IMO

 

[Shaddow]

Why is Chauvin squeezing his fingers like that?????

To inflict pain.

 

[missy1974]

anyone else surprised by the time stamps of those still photo's?

I assumed they were closer to the time of his last breath.

 

[Katerz]

“You cannot take an isolated frame to come to a conclusion”.. but isn’t that what he’s wanting the jurors to do??

 

[In vino veritas]

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intent is mentioned in charges.

SO... if these are the charges given to the jury, it seems like a conviction on the manslaughter is a no- brainer. I do not think a conviction on the 2nd degree murder charge is likely. It’s a possibility on the 3rd degree charge.... unless there’s that “ one juror”. Or two. JMO

 

[tara83]

I think Nelson is making him actually look more guilty now.

 

[turaj]

That’s the way I’m reading it. Though none require the intent to commit murder, those two require some element of intent. JMO

Here we go again...instructions...that even trial watchers are totally confused by. I thought I understood them and now I am confused. This is why we have hung juries. Getting very nervous.

 

[Weki]

Dang! No lunch break til 2 pm? I guess judge doesn’t want to interrupt Nelson but jury has to be struggling to focus at this point!

 

[MadMcGoo]

Here we go again...instructions...that even trial watchers are totally confused by. I thought I understood them and now I am confused. This is why we have hung juries. Getting very nervous.

I agree. I thought I understood them relatively well going into today. I’m not so sure either. Maybe seeing the written instructions will help. Hopefully.