GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #18 - Chauvin Closing & Deliberations #1

[Katerz]

He was resisting because he didn’t want to “go back”. He was resisting because he didn’t want to go back to jail. IMO.

Every use of force expert for the state admitted that subjects will make an excuse (medical or otherwise) to avoid being arrested. I believe this to be a common occurrence. IMO

Doesnt mean they deserve to have a knee in their neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds even after death

 

[Bravo]

If any of you have ever had a panic attack which IMO was happening when GF was resisting you can understand why he was resisting. All they needed to do was listen to him and stop forcing him into the car. Gawd one would think GF just shot up a bank!!!! Not that that would justify this. Over a 20.00 bill that he may have and may not have know was counterfeit. Epic abuse of power and restraint IMO.

 

[tlcya]

This argument will backfire on Nelson. Chauvin's body language screams arrogance and a man enjoying a power trip in the video being shown right now and not at all reasonable officer demeanor. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

This argument will backfire on Nelson. Chauvin's body language screams arrogance and a man enjoying a power trip in the video being shown right now and not at all reasonable officer demeanor. JMO

Hapless, hapless I tell you.
He keeps making it worse..

 

[Katerz]

And what if they are faking emergency to avoid jail? Does that make it okay to deny aid? It's not as if rendering aid would have prevented GF from still being arrested and going to jail. The choice wasn't between letting a suspect go or killing him. DC could've rendered aid and kept GF under arrest.

DC wants reasonable doubt for himself, but wasn't willing to give it to a man in stress in his custody.

Jmo

Yes that’s exactly what I was trying to say. George was clearly in some kind of distress. They should have tried to de-escalate not make it worse like they did

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I do agree that is what they perceived.

I always give credit where it's due. Nelson is putting on a good case minute by minute.

In the end he will be found guilty probably of all three charges, but DC can't say he didnt have good representation.

Jmho

I'm on the same page as you. Nelson has done a very good job presenting a defense all by himself. JMO

 

[Katerz]

If any of you have ever had a panic attack which IMO was happening when GF was resisting you can understand why he was resisting. All they needed to do was listen to him and stop forcing him into the car. Gawd one would think GF just shot up a bank!!!! Not that that would justify this. Over a 20.00 bill that he may have and may not have know was counterfeit. Epic abuse of power and restraint IMO.

This! Yes!

 

[Katerz]

Nelson is doing well considering. He’s had an uphill battle. DC has been guilty to most since the first time MSM reported on this. Nothing he could ever say would convince anyone otherwise. That’s evident in some of the comments here about not wanting to even hear the defense side of this trial. I hope this jury has been more attentive throughout the whole thing. ETA: JMO

Because the defense has nothing that can make this ok.

 

[missy1974]

Nelson is pointing out something that I noticed last week...

GH approached them from behind and put them on guard.

Didn't realize it was the same time he brought out the mace.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

OMG! I had not realized that Chauvin took out his mace at the exact time that GF stopped breathing.

"he's threatening the use of force"

Per defense just now!

wow

*thud* "and this changed Officer Floyd's reaction"

 

[Katerz]

OMG! I had not realized that Chauvin took out his mace at the exact time that GF stopped breathing.

Per defense just now!

wow

that makes it even worse!!!!!!!!

 

[tlcya]

This footage is not at all helpful to Nelson's case I don't know what he is thinking. It's the crowd that is repeatedly telling officers that GF is non responsive that killed GF. GT*OH

 

[Katerz]

Now he’s showing something about CPR! Problem is sir your client did not render CPR!!!!! Instead he pulled out his MACE

 

[ilovewings]

I feel pretty confident the jury will convict on the manslaughter charge.
For me, the reasonable doubt comes into play for the murder charges because of the number of times GF claimed he couldn’t breathe while officers were trying to get him in the vehicle. I believe he even said he was “gonna die in here”.
I find it a stretch they the prosecutions medical experts insisted that GFs drug use and heart disease play NO part in his death. JMO

I hope the prosecution addresses this issue in rebuttal. I have talked about "you take your perps as you get them"- in civil law you take your plaintiffs as you get them. The same law holds true in Criminal law. In other words if GF was having problems breathing in the vehicle ( from anxiety), the police, who have him custody, have an obligation not to worsen his condition and thus, they are ultimately responsible for his death because they made his condition worse to the point he died. I hope the prosecution explains this to the jury.

If any of you have ever had a panic attack which IMO was happening when GF was resisting you can understand why he was resisting. All they needed to do was listen to him and stop forcing him into the car. Gawd one would think GF just shot up a bank!!!! Not that that would justify this. Over a 20.00 bill that he may have and may not have know was counterfeit. Epic abuse of power and restraint IMO.

This is a sad and horrific case: As you say, you would think he robbed a bank by the way they were treating him- all for a counterfeit bill which he may not have known was counterfeit. He was letting them know he was in a state of panic (claustrophobic and problems breathing), but they did not give two chits--- They way over -reacted and ultimately the knee on the neck was the result. Chauvin needs to pay for this unnecessary death.

 

[Niner]

Cathy Russon
@cathyrusson
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#DerekChauvinTrial - Nelson on perspective vs. perception of bystanders. Charles McMillan has a 3rd grade education, he says he has more info of the entirety of the situation having seen it from the beginning, but perception is affected by his life experiences




Nelson on Donald Williams perspective vs. perception stating Williams is MMA fighter, he has experiences that cause him to react differently, he perceived #GeorgeFloyd was being choked with a "blood choke"




link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson

 

[Bravo]

So many good Police Women and Men out there doing their job and Chauvin's actions make it tough for them.

 

[Shaddow]

Nelson isn't helping Chauvin...The video says it all. All 9.29 minutes of it.

 

[kittythehare]

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This has nothing to do with anything MSM said or did.
WITNESSES took the relevant footage. Not MSM.
We know what we saw.
It's very simple actually.

 

[Shaddow]

Why didn't they call for backup? Why? If they were so afraid of the onslaught of the "mob."

 

[sorrell skye]

As Judge Cahill read the jury instructions this morning and read the elements pertaining to each charge that must be met beyond a reasonable doubt in order for a finding of Guilty on each charge, I checked 'yes' in my mind to each of the elements, based upon the evidence presented during the trial by both sides.

I believe every element pertaining to each charge has been proven by the State beyond a reasonable doubt.

IMO, guilty on all three charges.