GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #18 - Chauvin Closing & Deliberations #1

[Rhozwen]

I don't understand how the two "rookie" officers offering to sit in the car with the A/C on somehow absolves DC from his actions? Nelson is saying the offer by one of the other officers to sit in the car with GF is somehow an example of how DC didn't use excessive force? Like he should get extra credit for the moments when he wasn't kneeling on GF's body? Am I hearing that right? This is bizarre. The actions Prior To those 9 minutes and 29 seconds are irrelevant IMO. DC offered zero medical aid during the exact moments when GF so clearly needed medical aid. period.
Nelson is really reaching here. I see he is trying and he is swinging for the fences, but unfortunately for him, his client is clearly and obviously guilty. IMHO.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think the debate in the jury room will be about whether the elements are met for 2nd degree murder.

jmo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Oh my.

Defense is TOTALLY misstating the law right now!

 

[Tom_Servo]

Nelson did the job he's supposed to do. His analogies are appropriate. His pleading for alternate points is correct. Theorizing different perspectives is a must. If one is to make an informed opinion, if a jury is to make an appropriate decision, you must hear it all. Hopefully the jury isn't ignorantly considering his case. He's one of the most likable defense attorneys I've witnessed. I usually hate them all, not this guy though.

 

[Legally Bland]

Yes, you can see that in the murder charges. JMO

I believe it's a third degree felony which has to be intentional, not murder.

 

[Boodles]

@ChaoStrib

Nelson has been talking for about 1 hour and 45 minutes, and still has to address the cause of death issue in the case

I heard him say he briefly needed to say a few things before moving to cause of death. (He’s incapable of being brief imo.) And now a cause of death soliloquy. What will follow that? Don’t they have time limits?

I feel for the jurors.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I’m getting more confused about intervening and superseding causes.

 

[kaen]

And what if they are faking emergency to avoid jail? Does that make it okay to deny aid? It's not as if rendering aid would have prevented GF from still being arrested and going to jail. The choice wasn't between letting a suspect go or killing him. DC could've rendered aid and kept GF under arrest.

DC wants reasonable doubt for himself, but wasn't willing to give it to a man in stress in his custody.

Jmo

DC does not have a medical degree to determine if he was faking. He is trained to assess and then keep the person safe using their training until more advanced help arrives. It is standard to make a call for an ambulance for that reason. Once again, he did not follow his training when the person he had in restraints was unconscious and stopped breathing.

 

[vinayd]

Chauvin should have left his mask on. His face is too smug for the moment. Much like the knee on the neck posture. MOO

 

[Tom_Servo]

Hope that jurors see as all of here do.

That has NOTHING to do with charges. (Interesting for WS.. but not for trial MOO)

No of course not, just an observation by me. I thought all along he was dragged out of the car maliciously but that wasn't the case.

 

[Katerz]

Chauvin should have left his mask on. His face is too smug for the moment. Much like the knee on the neck posture. MOO

Agreed. Like this is a big ole inconvenience to him

 

[Rhozwen]

Will the jurors be allowed to bring in any of the visual aids Nelson used in his closing? Like Exhibit 126? Did prosecution use any visual aids?

I recall the judge stating that the jurors will have a laptop with the exhibits for them to view.

 

[Lilibet]

Backing up a bit, I was struck by the detail Nelson presented about how much attention Chauvin had to pay to the condition of the crowd in order to assess what might happen....but never (or only briefly) mentioned paying attention to Mr Floyd’s condition and what might happen.
JMO

 

[turaj]

Thanks! That chart is the best layout of the charges I have seen, step by step.

the way I read that use of intent in 3rd degree is he "intended" to restrain him by putting his knee on his neck but without intent to kill him...again am I missing something? The 3rd degree is what he already plead to.

 

[Legally Bland]

Agreed. Like this is a big ole inconvenience to him

Maybe it's disturbing his writing.

 

[turaj]

Backing up a bit, I was struck by the detail Nelson presented about how much attention Chauvin had to pay to the condition of the crowd in order to assess what might happen....but never (or only briefly) mentioned paying attention to Mr Floyd’s condition and what might happen.
JMO

I thought Thao was responsible for the crowd???? Can no one even say his name in this trial?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I believe it's a third degree felony which has to be intentional, not murder.

I don't understand your post.

 

[Bravo]

I will never forget the look on Chauvins face when pulled out that taser. It was terrifying. To me. My internet keeps cutting out Grrrr.....

 

[turaj]

I heard him say he briefly needed to say a few things before moving to cause of death. (He’s incapable of being brief imo.) And now a cause of death soliloquy. What will follow that? Don’t they have time limits?

I feel for the jurors.

These jurors are thinking about lunch right now. Nelson is at a big disadvantage that the break was not at lunch time.

 

[missy1974]

the way I read that use of intent in 3rd degree is he "intended" to restrain him by putting his knee on his neck but without intent to kill him...again am I missing something? The 3rd degree is what he already plead to.

3rd degree - the death of GF by an intentional act...

2nd degree while commiting a felony... intentionally applied unlawful force .... (part of the assault in 3rd degree)

So, both require intent to find guilty?

that is from the State's graphic: