GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #20

[turaj]

He just never knew to quit when he was behind. He kept digging that hole deeper and deeper until he could no longer see the sky.
But he was DC's choice and that boy made some very bad choices in his life and in his career.
Foolish of me to have expected better.

I wonder how much "choice" DC had if the Union was going to pay. I heard that Nelson was next one up from their list of attorneys. He may have gone thru a few before one agreed to the case...not sure.

 

[kittythehare]

I wonder how much "choice" DC had if the Union was going to pay. I heard that Nelson was next one up from their list of attorneys. He may have gone thru a few before one agreed to the case...not sure.

No idea but DC did have a say in it, I expect.
There was so much more he could have done to portray his client as human, pled temporary inanity, burnout, fugue, transient catatonia, flashback, divorce, almost anything to try to paint him as human.
He did none of it.
Pride? Arrogance?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

More and More from Christensen....this is an elongated version of her interview with some new stuff. She has all of her notes and is showing them to our local station Kare 11

I have never ever heard of jurors being allowed to take their notes home. If you start watching it 20 minutes into the video, it is clear Moo that she is showing actual notes from The Trial. All trials that I have ever followed they collect them at the end and shred them and Destroy them.

 

[turaj]

I have never ever heard of jurors being allowed to take their notes home. If you start watching it 20 minutes into the video, it is clear Moo that she is showing actual notes from The Trial. All trials that I have ever followed they collect them at the end and shred them and Destroy them.

I agree.....the notes seemed very odd...I felt like it was a sneak preview for the expected book deal.

 

[turaj]

I did some googling and process varies...some are not allowed to take them out of courtroom including at the end of trial...some offer jurors the chance to take them with them at the end. I have to assume what Ms. Christensen is doing is okay with the court. I found it interesting how they had pick up spots in the morning and were driven to the government center. Also I guess I thought they had to deliberate in the courthouse but guess that was done at the hotel too.

 

[kittythehare]

Bystander and key witness Donald Williams still reckoning with George Floyd's death

 

[CrimeAway]

It also signifies a cruel nature.
Maybe it was that?

I don't think that indifference necessarily signifies a cruel nature.
I've felt indifferent at times, and not because I am uncaring, or cruel, but quite the opposite. Dealing with other people's cruelty and dysfunction can be absolutely exhausting, IMO. Sometimes, caring TOO much can be a problem, though I don't think that is the issue in this case . All MOO.

 

[branmuffin]

Derek Chauvin’s sentencing date has been set for the afternoon of June 16th at 1:30pm CT.
@Niner

Also:

Justice Dept considering charging Derek Chauvin for brutal 2017 attack on Black teen: ABC - Raw Story - Celebrating 17 Years of Independent Journalism

After Chauvin's conviction for Floyd murder, DOJ weighs charging him for 2017 incident involving Black teen: Source - ABC News (go.com)

The officer who was with Chauvin during the 2017 attack should also be charged with aiding and abetting just like Tsao et al.

 

[branmuffin]

Here is the open letter (in the article) that 431 doctors from around the country signed and sent, which started this. It’s a pdf so you should be able to view it.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20689825/open-letter_2021_sign-2.pdf

This guy reminds me of disgraced Ontario coroner Dr. Charles Smith, only in a complete reversal. Instead of listing child deaths as undetermined he 'erred on the side of caution' and his findings sent innocent people to prison.

One Doctor’s Crusade Resulted in Several Innocent People Spending Years in Prison

 

[yahaint]

Maryland’s Attorney General’s Office said Friday that it was “appropriate” for outside experts to review all “in custody” death reports produced by the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner under Dr. David Fowler, nine days after Fowler testified that ex-Minnesota police officer Derek Chauvin was not responsible for the death of George Floyd in police custody.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/c...0210423-l2oamj3ixnhwznd4545f7pjcau-story.html

They are taking him out for round two, the appeal. Just as they had the rebuttal to bring Tobin back to try to discount Fowler's testimony. Sad state of today's Amerika.

 

[SBops]

They are taking him out for round two, the appeal. Just as they had the rebuttal to bring Tobin back to try to discount Fowler's testimony. Sad state of today's Amerika.

That is legal. And they did not 'try to discount his testimony' they did.

 

[yahaint]

That is legal. And they did not 'try to discount his testimony' they did.

I didn't say it wasn't legal. They did not discount his testimony my opinion. Funny how they discounted the actual medical examiner and his autopsy as well. Funny how these things work in today's very sick society.

 

[Puzzles]

I didn't say it wasn't legal. They did not discount his testimony my opinion. Funny how they discounted the actual medical examiner and his autopsy as well. Funny how these things work in today's very sick society.

@yahaint,
BBM
I'm interested to learn what evidence given at the trial leads to your opinion that Dr. Tobin did not disprove Fowler's claims of possible/probable cause for Mr. Floyd's death. Please will you enlarge on your statement?

 

[Dotta]

I wonder how much "choice" DC had if the Union was going to pay. I heard that Nelson was next one up from their list of attorneys. He may have gone thru a few before one agreed to the case...not sure.

It is really interesting. IMO the attorneys on Police Union list (12 of them) are like public attorneys - so it means they cant reject the case. They are paid for being in readiness for any case involving police officers. Only illness or family tragedy can justify them not to take the case. If any public defender tried to reject the case he would lose the job.

 

[kittythehare]

Will the Derek Chauvin conviction for murdering George Floyd change policing?

 

[Dotta]

Will the Derek Chauvin conviction for murdering George Floyd change policing?

As they say: A drop drills the rock

 

[SouthAussie]

No idea but DC did have a say in it, I expect.
There was so much more he could have done to portray his client as human, pled temporary inanity, burnout, fugue, transient catatonia, flashback, divorce, almost anything to try to paint him as human.
He did none of it.
Pride? Arrogance?

I think Chauvin probably had a fair bit of say in the defense tactics. Remember how Nelson said how they had been round and round about whether or not Chauvin should testify? I kind of got the impression that Chauvin had a lot of say about that, but perhaps was convinced in the end that it was not the best course of action for him to take.

From that, I somehow doubt he was a passive defendant behind the scene. And I think he may have had some strong opinions on what Nelson should and should not say in his defense. Pride comes before a fall, comes to mind.

 

[MsBetsy]

I didn't say it wasn't legal. They did not discount his testimony my opinion. Funny how they discounted the actual medical examiner and his autopsy as well. Funny how these things work in today's very sick society.

It was Dr. Fowler who discounted Dr. Baker's testimony. He brought up a contributing factor that didn't exist in the report and argued that the manner of death should not have been homicide. He spent most of his time trying to prove the cause of death was anything other than police subdual, restraint and neck compression. Every other expert, including Dr. Baker, emphasized the panic and stress Floyd felt as the officers assaulted him, contributing to his death.

Fowler was the only one who claimed the increased adrenaline was partially due the paraganglioma and carbon monoxide poisoning, while never mentioning the panic Floyd obviously felt. Dr. Baker stated the mass was insignificant and the bloodwork proved Fowler's claim about carbon monoxide poisoning to be false. He clouded the facts to support a narrative. If he was lying about the possibility of carbon monoxide poisoning, then his whole testimony might not be credible.

I think the jury saw right through his deception.

 

[turaj]

I think Chauvin probably had a fair bit of say in the defense tactics. Remember how Nelson said how they had been round and round about whether or not Chauvin should testify? I kind of got the impression that Chauvin had a lot of say about that, but perhaps was convinced in the end that it was not the best course of action for him to take.

From that, I somehow doubt he was a passive defendant behind the scene. And I think he may have had some strong opinions on what Nelson should and should not say in his defense. Pride comes before a fall, comes to mind.

oh yes while I am not sure about how much of a choice he had in terms of attorney (unless he wanted to privately hire someone) I think he had significant input into the how the case was presented...he no doubt made it clear to EN that the "hostile crowd" was key to his not being able to move from that position. But I don't think EN had to use that if he felt it was ineffective (it was) so really don't know what was going on and probably never will. It looks like the rest of the jurors are going to keep quiet which I think is a good thing...the alternate has the floor to herself...expect she is in NYC today getting ready for the circuit this week ?

 

[sds71]

MINNEAPOLIS — One was crowned homecoming king. One was voted class friendliest. One was a member of the African American club.

All three played crucial roles in the trial of Derek Chauvin, the former Minneapolis police officer found guilty of murdering George Floyd.


And all three — Minneapolis police Chief Medaria Arradondo lawyer Eric Nelson and high school student Darnella Frazier — spent their formative years at Minneapolis' Roosevelt High School.

A high school 2 miles from where George Floyd died plays outsize role in Chauvin trial