MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests* #2

[Cubby]

Officer charged over deadly arrest of George Floyd tried to object, court told


Officer charged over deadly arrest of George Floyd tried to object, court told

Doha Madani, NBC News
5 hrs ago
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One of the four former Minneapolis officers charged over George Floyd's death tried to warn his fellow officers during the arrest, a court has heard.

J. Alexander Kueng hadn't yet completed his third full shift as a police officer when the deadly arrest occurred, his lawyer Tom Plunkett claimed.

Mr Plunkett said Kueng allegedly told his fellow officers as they were detaining George Floyd: "You shouldn't do that."
Lane was also new to the job, only on the force for four days when the incident occurred, his lawyer Earl Gray claimed.

Mr Gray said that Lane twice asked Chauvin, a training officer: "Shall we roll him over?" He also expressed concern that Mr Floyd may be in "delirium."

"What is my client supposed to do other than follow what the training officer said?" Gray said in court.

I have a lot of catching up to do but I am interested in this particular defense. Both are claiming they were in training and Chauvin was training them? That's my understanding from what I have read.

If they were 'in training' why were two newbies partners in the first car sent to the scene? If I am not mistaken they were the two first on the scene.

Why were Chauvin and T' training anyone? If indeed the city designated them trainers the city is more than up a creek.

Now back to catching up.

 

[Cubby]

@CrimeDawg123 I agree, I don't see "Premeditated Murder" here, or even intentional murder.

I am not defending Chauvin. He is a product of a dysfunctional bureaucracy. Chauvin continued to skate by with unprofessional behavior and probably escalated his actions.

Was he trying to show off to new officers how tough he was? Or how to treat "criminals" who "disrespect" police officers? We don't know what Chauvin was thinking. But I don't believe that Chauvin was stupid enough or even narcissistic enough to murder a man in broad daylight and believe that he would get away with it.

I liken Chauvin actions to distraction. He remained on GF's neck while being distracted by what others were doing to stop him. Both the other two officers and the crowd asking him to stop. He was going to show he was boss....... and I do not think distraction is a viable defense.

jmo

 

[mickey2942]

I liken Chauvin actions to distraction. He remained on GF's neck while being distracted by what others were doing to stop him. Both the other two officers and the crowd asking him to stop. He was going to show he was boss....... and I do not think distraction is a viable defense.

jmo

What about the two officers he was supposedly "training"?

I have said this before, if one had stepped up, called him out, and called supervision on a radio, stat, we would have not have heard about this situation at all.

Floyd would be alive. Chauvin would continue his reign of terror, and the guy who called it in, would eventually be looking for another job.

 

[Mandos]

God, I hate the Daily Mail... Yellow press rag...

So in total we're talking about some speeding tickets (violation unknown, could be 5 miles over the limit, could be 50), an obstructing traffic violation, two parking meter violations, an incident when he was 18 (note the man is in is mid-late thirties now), where he plead guilty to obstructing legal process and damaging property, but details of the incident are unknown (he could've knocked over a trash can after leaving a pub while drunk, he could've burned down an entire shopping mall, who knows?) , and a rowdy party...

I'm sorry, but my reaction to this is...La-di-frickin-da! If the Daily Mail is trying to make him look like a hardened criminal, I'm not seeing it!

As a European, here's tip: NEVER EVER use the Daily Mail as a credible/ unbiased news source. It's the very bottom of the British yellow press, and that's up against some pretty stiff competition!

 

[SaguaroSpirit]

I do also see the little white object looks like maybe it was dropped by his left handcuffed hand.

ETA: I suppose it could be a largish paint chip as someone else suggested. To me it definitely looks like a little baggie. George was distressed right from the beginning - had a look of anguish on his face before he sat down IMO.

Since GF had priors, and as a convicted felon, he likely was scared witless that he would be going back to prison. I don't know if MN has the three strikes law.

 

[mickey2942]

The racial bias/overtones in this situation are what have created such an outrage.

How do we "know" that what these officers did was "racist"? Did they say any racial slurs during the altercation? Is it because their skin color is white, and the victim's skin color was brown, that automatically made the situation "racist"?

What if Chauvin is just an "Equal Opportunity" jerk? And treated all people in his custody with the same callous disregard? Would we have even been made aware of his treatment of Mr. George Floyd, if he had been white? Shrug, just another criminal who was causing trouble.

If there is a trial, expect more marches.

 

[casesensitive]

The racial bias/overtones in this situation are what have created such an outrage.

How do we "know" that what these officers did was "racist"? Did they say any racial slurs during the altercation? Is it because their skin color is white, and the victim's skin color was brown, that automatically made the situation "racist"?

What if Chauvin is just an "Equal Opportunity" jerk? And treated all people in his custody with the same callous disregard? Would we have even been made aware of his treatment of Mr. George Floyd, if he had been white? Shrug, just another criminal who was causing trouble.

If there is a trial, expect more marches.

I know, and I am so sick of it.

-It was horrible how he died BUT----. There are no "buts" period!

 

[Boxer]

The racial bias/overtones in this situation are what have created such an outrage.

How do we "know" that what these officers did was "racist"? Did they say any racial slurs during the altercation? Is it because their skin color is white, and the victim's skin color was brown, that automatically made the situation "racist"?

What if Chauvin is just an "Equal Opportunity" jerk? And treated all people in his custody with the same callous disregard? Would we have even been made aware of his treatment of Mr. George Floyd, if he had been white? Shrug, just another criminal who was causing trouble.

If there is a trial, expect more marches.

Possibly true, in which case Chauvin needed to be arrested for killing a white arrestee in cuffs, and the others arrested for doing nothing while they watched it happen.

 

[otto]

Cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest. When people can't breath, they can't talk. He was also positive for covid-19, and was full of drugs.

Autopsy shows George Floyd had COVID-19, meth & fentanyl in his system

 

[TristanP]

Since GF had priors, and as a convicted felon, he likely was scared witless that he would be going back to prison. I don't know if MN has the three strikes law.

I don’t care if he was carrying a Hefty bag full of heroin, he did not deserve to die in the street being held down by a cop.

People like to keep pointing out that he had a record. Yeah. He did. Which means he was arrested, charged, convicted, and served time for the crime(s). Via the judicial system and either a judge or a jury. He was out of prison which means he had served his sentence.

Chauvin declared himself judge, jury and executioner.

 

[TristanP]

Cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest. When people can't breath, they can't talk. He was also positive for covid-19, and was full of drugs.

Autopsy shows George Floyd had COVID-19, meth & fentanyl in his system

People can talk and feel like they can’t breathe at the same time. Perhaps a home experiment? You could have someone hold you down with their knee while your hands are cuffed behind your back.

Oh, and it’s clearly evident that he couldn’t breathe. BECAUSE HE IS DEAD.

 

[Boxer]

Cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest. When people can't breath, they can't talk. He was also positive for covid-19, and was full of drugs.

Autopsy shows George Floyd had COVID-19, meth & fentanyl in his system

Can you paste link again? Not working for me.
Asphyxation one of main causes cardiopulmonary arrest.

 

[mickey2942]

Officers Charged in George Floyd’s Death Not Likely to Present United Front

This is interesting. Chauvin was in the military, he served in late 1990's. As a Military Police officer. But he wasn't in the military very long, since he started with the Minneapolis Police Department in 2001.

Why was he in the military for such a short time?

 

[drama_farmer]

Cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest. When people can't breath, they can't talk. He was also positive for covid-19, and was full of drugs.

Autopsy shows George Floyd had COVID-19, meth & fentanyl in his system

I guess Floyd should have been more articulate. Instead of gasping "I can't breathe" he should have said: Excuse me officer, you may not realize it at the moment, but the compression of my diaphragm is making it very difficult for me inflate my lungs. Not to mention, the constriction of my carotid artery is also preventing what little oxygen I can acquire from reaching my brain. I feel as if I may shortly suffer from asphyxiation due to the above two facts.

"If you can talk, you can breathe" is shorthand for: I don't care if you're in distress, crybaby. It is also a fallacy, because when people feel like they are having trouble breathing, they skip right to "I can't breathe" as opposed to describing the particular degree of their desperation to get air into their lungs. IMO of course.

 

[otto]

Can you paste link again? Not working for me.
Asphyxation one of main causes cardiopulmonary arrest.

Autopsy shows George Floyd had COVID-19, meth & fentanyl in his system

https://www.ipicd.com/uploads/1/3/0/0/130090143/floyd_autopsy.pdf

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest. When people can't breath, they can't talk. He was also positive for covid-19, and was full of drugs.

Autopsy shows George Floyd had COVID-19, meth & fentanyl in his system

I would venture to say that most people who feel they are having great difficulty breathing and are in serious medical distress are not going to say, “I’m having difficulty breathing” or “I cannot breathe as well as I should be able to at the moment.” I’m pretty sure most, or at least an awful lot, would say, “I can’t breathe.”

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Officers Charged in George Floyd’s Death Not Likely to Present United Front

This is interesting. Chauvin was in the military, he served in late 1990's. As a Military Police officer. But he wasn't in the military very long, since he started with the Minneapolis Police Department in 2001.

Why was he in the military for such a short time?

Sometimes they release the bad apples, or at least the less desirable recruits, early.

 

[mickey2942]

Sometimes they release the bad apples, or at least the less desirable recruits, early.

Yes. It would be interesting to see his DD-214, discharge paperwork. But usually if they want you gone, no one can tell from the paperwork. But the chokehold makes more sense now, that is a military training indication. Not something provided at POST training.

There is something wrong with that guy, Chauvin.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

Autopsy shows George Floyd had COVID-19, meth & fentanyl in his system

https://www.ipicd.com/uploads/1/3/0/0/130090143/floyd_autopsy.pdf

All the more reason to be careful when restraining someone, and not do something so stupid and sadistic. You never know what drugs someone has taken - angels don't generally get arrested. You also never know who has coronary disease, asthma, a pulmonary embolism, or anything else. People who are arrested often have underlying conditions.

You can't be executed for taking drugs in this country. There were FOUR trained men there. They had other options than having one of them kneel on his neck for 7+ minutes.

 

[Boxer]

Autopsy shows George Floyd had COVID-19, meth & fentanyl in his system

https://www.ipicd.com/uploads/1/3/0/0/130090143/floyd_autopsy.pdf

He did, he had a record too.
Pretty much a guy with criminality, but he was being arrested for spending a counterfeit 20.
His cause of death cardiopulmonary arrest, caused by asphyxiation, or as the family autopsy said: asphyxiation.