MN - George Floyd, unarmed man killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020

[mister happy]

Oh, I thought that was officer Thao, the one who was warding off the bystanders as Chauvin kneeled on the Floyd's neck. He also has a history of using excessive force.

I didn't know they tried to restrain him by holding his legs until after they already had him on the ground. I guess I'll have to watch the video again. I didn't even see them pull him out of the car.

No, officer Thao was just standing around. Officer Kueng was in the rear door area and struggling with George Floyd. Kueng is the officer who was on Floyd's back while Chauvin was kneeling on Floyd's neck.

 

[Charlot123]

When this goes to trail I expect to see Mark Kroll called as a defense witness. Kroll specializes in what might be called pro police science. According to him positional asphyxia doesn’t exist.

???

You know what is the example of positional asphyxia? Crib death. There is a reason why parents are warned against placing kids on the stomachs. If anyone is interested, I can PM my theory what else plays the role. But it exists.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think we are on the same page, while we at WS wanna know (and perhaps have more experience in evaluating ) it DOES.NOT.MATTER in this case if he was resisting 10 minutes prior.

MOO

Bottom line, agree with you wanting to know all the facts. Yet, doesn't matter

MOO

Yes, I watched the video again and I can't see the victim at all. All I can see is the officer's heads on the passenger side, which is when I assumed they dragged him out and put him on the ground.

 

[MsBetsy]

No, officer Thao was just standing around. Officer Kueng was in the rear door area and struggling with George Floyd. Kueng is the officer who was on Floyd's back while Chauvin was kneeling on Floyd's neck.

Ok, thanks. So it sounds like the other three were the aggressors while Thao kept away the bystanders who were trying to help.

Based on the evidence we have so far, it seems like the officers were more intent on using unnecessary deadly force to subdue the victim rather than just arrest him.

Imo

 

[mickey2942]

I wonder if the officer used pepper spray, and Floyd was struggling to avoid it. I didn't see him pop out on the other side on his own, though. If he did, I'm not sure why the officers would say they pulled him out themselves.

Most officers don't like to use pepper spray in close encounters, because when you spray pepper spray, inevitably you also get back blow on your self. Not the same dose, but it is an unpleasant experience.

 

[DD8]

GOING HOME: Funeral services for George Floyd will be held in Houston

 

[mister happy]

Ok, thanks. So it sounds like the other three were the aggressors while Thao kept away the bystanders who were trying to help.

Based on the evidence we have so far, it seems like the officers were more intent on using unnecessary deadly force to subdue the victim rather than just arrest him.

Imo

Hopefully the footage from the body-cams will show a lot more of what was happening, and how Floyd ended up on the ground.

 

[ilovewings]

I think we are on the same page, while we at WS wanna know (and perhaps have more experience in evaluating ) it DOES.NOT.MATTER in this case if he was resisting 10 minutes prior.

MOO

Bottom line, agree with you wanting to know all the facts. Yet, doesn't matter

MOO

You just know the defense is going to try and paint Mr. Floyd as out of control, resisting arrest and being very difficult -even if we believe and in fact know, it does not matter in this case. This is what criminal defense attorneys do. They will also use that first autopsy (Baden will be doing the 2nd autopsy) which states Mr. Floyd did not die from asphyxia- that will be huge-- I expect Dr. Baden to reach a different conclusion so the jury will have to decide who they believe. I worked in the field of medical malpractice for 40 years and reviewed thousands of records and autopsy reports. The cause of death stated by the medical examiner in this case is problematic as it basically states that the defendant's knee on the patient's neck contributed to his death, but was not the sole cause---

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Thousands of UK activists chant 'I can't breathe' over George Floyd's death

 

[MsBetsy]

Most officers don't like to use pepper spray in close encounters, because when you spray pepper spray, inevitably you also get back blow on your self. Not the same dose, but it is an unpleasant experience.

They may not like to, but they have, even inside of a vehicle. Chauvin was the one who used the pepper spray on the witnesses and I think he is the one who was was struggling with Floyd on the drivers side of the vehicle. Jmo

 

[ilovewings]

Experts warn of dire global consequences if U.S. withdraws from WHO

Dire consequences for the US for withdrawing from the WHO--
sigh

WRONG THREAD- SORRY

 

[Rocco]

When will we see the other three officers charged? In any other situation the three standing around would have already been charged as accomplices.

A single arrest is insufficient and a slap in the face to Mr. Floyd, his family and poc.

First they'll have to round them up.
Thao is “safely elsewhere”. J Alexander Kueng, one of the two first officers at the scene who helped pin Floyd down, is believed to be staying with family in Minneapolis. Thomas K. Lane has left and didn’t tell anyone where he was going, a relative said.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear any or all of them take off.

 

[dyannaON]

So back to when they worked security at the same club. Has it been confirmed or? If they actually crossed paths before? I mean I work with people I don’t know at all but I’m at a huge university. Wouldn’t they have recognized each other? Sorry if it’s been discussed.

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think they only called EMS when GF stopped breathing and having a pulse. I suspect they will claim they pulled him out of the car because he was having a medical event, but then why didn't they call EMS immediately?

The timelime doesn't fit that they called EMS only after he stopped breathing from the reports in MSM. There were called before MOO.

 

[KR72]

The Minneapolis Police Department union intends on supporting Chauvin and the other police involved in the murder.

A 2007 lawsuit said the president of the Minneapolis police union wore a 'white power' patch on his motorcycle jacket and discriminated against officers of color

From the article:

"Earlier this week Kroll said that the union intends to support the officers involved.

"Now is not the time rush to judgment and immediately condemn our officers. An in-depth investigation is underway. Our officers are fully cooperating. We must review all video. We must wait for the medical examiner's report," Kroll said in a statement Tuesday. "Officers' actions and training protocol will be carefully examined after the officers have provided their statements."

The union president seems to be quite problematic himself - he didn't put his knee to George Floyd's neck, but he certainly helped to maintain a toxic culture within the force. Also, he's married to a prominent Minneapolis news anchor who has interviewed him on police brutality! The wife of the union president should not be commenting on police matters and he should not be interviewed by her imo.

Bob Kroll is married to WCCO's Liz Collin but doesn't want to talk about it | City Pages

Here's his the article profiling Kroll

Amid attention and controversy, Minneapolis police union head has no regrets

 

[dixiegirl1035]

It's unclear what's really happening in that video, but to me it doesn't look like they are beating George Floyd. Officer Kueng is at the left-side passenger door. It appears he's attempting to restrain Floyd by his lower body. Keep in mind that Floyd is Kobe Bryant's height (6"6 or 6"7).

But that's not the issue at hand as to his death.

So I would ask, Does it look like to you that three are on him for a long time after he was unresponsive? Do you think that is unclear as unnecessary force/wrongful death at the surface of such?

Again, I'm wondering how long it will take until the wrongful death lawsuit to be filed by family (on behalf of child) on the city as to actions of the officer that has already been arrested. Perhaps they are waiting for the second autopsy to see if there is any bruising on his back or pooling of blood due to the knee in the back, in addition to different interpretation as to the totality taken into consideration. Excessive force causing death has a lesser threshold (civil) vs. criminal beyond reasonable doubt for the charges.

And for the civil lawsuit against the city for the other officers as they had bystander liability - that is if you are present while these things are taking place you have an affirmative requirement to prevent a fellow officer from using excessive force. Rather than to deter or alter, the others did nothing.

They may not get as much from the city (after many years) as the fundraiser site already has raised, but will pressure the city and lead to others supporting the justice in that civil suit.

$$$$$$

All above MOO

(was looking to see if there was a thread for Tony Timpa case in Texas here at WS to compare to, but didn't find one)

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[MsBetsy]

The timelime doesn't fit that they called EMS only after he stopped breathing from the reports in MSM. There were called before MOO.

If that's true, it shows that they knew he was in distress and in need of medical attention before the officer kneeled on his neck to render him unconscious.

 

[momrids6]

Oops- my response is in reference to the civil lawsuit mentioned by DixieGirl:
<<Again, I'm wondering how long it will take until the wrongful death lawsuit to be filed by family (on behalf of child) on the city as to actions of the officer that has already been arrested. Perhaps they are waiting for the second autopsy to see if there is any bruising on his back or pooling of blood due to the knee in the back, in addition to different interpretation as to the totality taken into consideration. Excessive force causing death has a lesser threshold (civil) vs. criminal beyond reasonable doubt for the charges.

And for the civil lawsuit against the city for the other officers as they had bystander liability - that is if you are present while these things are taking place you have an affirmative requirement to prevent a fellow officer from using excessive force. Rather than to deter or alter, the others did nothing.

They may not get as much from the city (after many years) as the fundraiser site already has raised, but will pressure the city and lead to others supporting the justice in that civil suit.>>>

This: https://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/article216378700.html

I still am PO'ed these cops weren't charged. https://www.star-telegram.com/news/article88172967.html/video-embed

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Hopefully the footage from the body-cams will show a lot more of what was happening, and how Floyd ended up on the ground.

This will be a fight to get through FOIA, as they will say "ongoing investigation"

ETA: Upthread, I spoke to one being released, I confused it with another case and have alerted a moderator to remove the post completely so no confusion continues.

 

[sds71]

This will be a fight to get through FOIA, as they will say "ongoing investigation"
ETA: Upthread, I spoke to one being released, I confused it with another case and have alerted a moderator to remove the post completely so no confusion continues.

You were right. Bodycam was released from the Park Police. They were assisting.

Park Police Chief Jason Ohotto said that one of the officers had responded to a request for assistance from a Minneapolis police officer and was monitoring a vehicle. The chief said his officer was about 118 feet away from the incident with Floyd and could not see what happened between Floyd and Minneapolis police.
“Based on a review of the body worn camera footage, which is being released to demonstrate the vantage point of the Park Police officer, the Park Police officer was not in a location to witness or intervene in the MPD incident,” the Park Police Department said in a statement to NBC News.
New police bodycam video released following death of George Floyd