MN - Jamar Clark, 24, shot by LE, Minneapolis, 15 Nov 2015

[kimlynn]

Agitator is an ugly word for protesting, but it must be the new thing as it was used by a presidential candidate today.
I've attended a few protests in my time and never viewed myself as an agitator.
More like needing to be in the public eye to draw attention to the powers that be.
It will be interesting to see any video in regards to this case. IMO

 

[K_Z]

Federal vs. state investigations into police

The federal criminal civil rights investigation is being conducted at the same time as a state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension investigation.

As an attorney who's represented people for decades suing police officers for civil rights violations -- Robert Bennett believes the feds are more likely to fairly investigate police officers than the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension.

"You know, we have a joke around the office – we call them the bureau of criminal absolution when they're investigating the police," Bennett said.

In 40 years practicing law, Bennett says he can't remember a BCA investigation of an officer shooting ever resulting in a conviction.

"You know, I can't opine whether the officers will be indicted in either court. Because I don't' know the evidence. I just think the public and the constitution gets a fairer shake in federal court," Bennett said.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/20...al-vs-state-investigation-of-police/76283946/

Dayton says police shooting video is 'inconclusive'

Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton says he's seen video recorded on the night a black man was shot by a Minneapolis police officer, but that the footage is inconclusive.

Dayton said Monday that he watched video recorded by an ambulance that was at the scene of Jamar Clark's shooting on Nov. 15. Authorities say the 24-year-old Clark was shot during a struggle with police, but some people who says they saw the shooting allege Clark was handcuffed.

Dayton says he watched less than a minute of footage Friday. He declined to describe it, but said it doesn't completely exonerate police or support claims that Clark was handcuffed.

Dayton says he described the "inconclusiveness" of the video to Clark's family during a weekend meeting.

"I told them, 'I give you my oath on my word of honor, there's nothing in there that's going to provide any confirmation from this view that the officers acted as some allege they did,'" Dayton said.

Such investigations involve looking into whether police intentionally violated a person's civil rights through excessive force. But it's a high legal standard to meet because an accident, bad judgment or simple negligence on the officer's part isn't enough to bring federal charges.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/lo...lice-shooting-video-is-inconclusive/76270632/

Dayton: Ambulance video from Jamar Clark shooting inconclusive

“It’s basically the camera’s looking out the back door of the ambulance for the purpose of photographing what would occur in the back of the ambulance, and there’s just a very brief fragment where Mr. Clark and one of the officers encounter each other and then they disappear from sight and there’s no other view of them until one of the officers—and there’s no audio—it appears after the shot was fired one of the officers comes back into the point of view.”

Dayton said he asked to see the tape and watched it Friday. He defended his decision to view it because as governor, the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, which is one of the agencies investigating the shooting, answers to him.

Dayton said he does not yet know whether he will attend Clark’s funeral Wednesday, but will meet with Black Lives Matter leaders in December.

http://www.startribune.com/dayton-ambulance-video-from-jamar-clark-shooting-inconclusive/353053901/

I sincerely hope that Gov Dayton does not attend the funeral of this career criminal. That would be like 10 million % inappropriate. What an embarassment to the entire state. Good grief. What a ridiculous circus this has become.

Gov Dayton sure didn't attend the funeral for Dep Steve Sandberg in Aitkin--the officer killed with his own gun by a criminal in a hospital room. An honorable and decorated officer. Aitkin, BTW, is a small town on the range, about 1800 people. Steve was very well known, and is greatly missed and grieved. Gov Dayton obviously didn't have the time or motivation to attend Dep. Sandberg's funeral. I wonder why?

http://www.startribune.com/minnesota-town-mourns-its-slain-officer/336260691/

 

[K_Z]

Police: At least 5 shot near Fourth Precinct protest

Minneapolis Police tell KARE 11 at least five people were shot near protests at the Fourth Precinct.

Reports of a shooting surfaced around 10:45 p.m. Monday in the 1400 block of Morgan Avenue North, about a block north of the Fourth Precinct.

It is not clear on the exact number of people shot as some shooting victims found their own way to a hospital. Police tell KARE 11 five people are being treated for what are believed to be non-life threatening injuries, two people at Hennepin County Medical Center and three others at North Memorial Medical Center.

Police have not released any information on a possible suspect or suspects and are asking anyone with information to come forward.

Early Tuesday morning, Eddie Sutton, Jamar Clark's brother, released a statement:

"Thank you to the community for the incredible support you have shown for our family in this difficult time. We appreciate Black Lives Matter for holding it down and keeping the protests peaceful. But in light of tonight's shootings, the family feels out of imminent concern for the safety of the occupiers, we must get the occupation of the Fourth Precinct ended and onto the next step."

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/20...3-shot-near-fourth-precinct-protest/76298300/

Pics and video at link.

BLM and NAACP are blaming "white supremacists" for the shootings.

I wonder if Gov Dayton is still thinking about going to Clark's funeral?

Miski Noor, a media contact for Black Lives Matter, said “a group of white supremacists showed up at the protest, as they have done most nights.”

One of the three counterdemonstrators wore a mask, said Dana Jaehnert, who had been at the protest site since early evening.

When about a dozen protesters attempted to herd the group away from the area, Noor said, they “opened fire on about six protesters,” hitting five of them. Jaehnert said she heard four gunshots.

The attackers fled. No arrests had been made by midnight Monday. Police said via their Twitter feed that they are searching for three white male suspects.

http://www.startribune.com/several-people-were-shot-near-black-lives-matter-protest-site/353121881/

Police: 4th Precinct Protest Shooting Leaves 5 Hospitalized; 3 Suspects At Large
Witnesses At The Scene Say Shooters Were White Supremacists

Meanwhile, protesters say they will not be shutting down the protest and people continue to bring wood, food and water to the protest area.

A community concert is scheduled for 5 p.m. Tuesday that protesters hope will promote healing and unity.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/11/24/shooting-at-4th-precinct-leaves-5-protesters-hospitalized/

Ok, I really hope they catch these suspects, and everyone who was shooting. I don't condone any behavior like that EVER. But I have to express a degree of skepticism over the term "white supremacists". BLM is claiming "white supremacists" are there "every night". I don't doubt that there were white people at the occupation-- you can see some in videos. And I dont doubt that the suspects of the shootings could be/ are white.

But I find it extremely hard to believe that "white supremacists" were at the occupation/ protests EVERY night, and this is the FIRST time it has been mentioned by anyone. I don't doubt that the suspects are white, but I have a healthy amount of skepticism that this went down the way BLM and NAACP are characterizing it. Counterprotestors are not necessarily "white supremacists", and someone wearing a face mask outside in 18 degree weather doesn't mean they are a terrorist.

I hope police get to the bottom of this right away. I don't like the racial overtones here.

If there had been "white supremacists" there every day shouting racial epithets, we surely would have heard about this by now from SOMEONE. IMO. And I can't believe there is no VIDEO taken of these "white supremacists" yelling racial epithets. That really strains my credulity. There were 200 people at the precinct overnight. Cannot believe not ONE of them took video on their cell phones of "white supremacists." I need a lot more evidence to believe that.

 

[K_Z]

It's unclear who fired the shots and police have named no suspects, but protesters blamed a trio of alleged white supremacists wearing bulletproof vests.

Black Lives Matter rep Miski Noor told theStar-Tribune shots rang out after protesters tried to usher the supremacists away.

One of the gunmen was wearing a mask and "shouting the 'n-word,' " Noor said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shot-minneapolis-police-protest-article-1.2444905

Did any of the protesters call police? Not one single protester out of 200?? Why did the crowd take things into their own hands to handle people who may have been shouting racial epithets, while wearing bullet proof vests?? Really??

There are security cameras in several locations in front of the 4th precinct-- we know this from live feeds of the crowds. The lodge across the street has cameras, too. I hope they are scrutinizing the video of the crowd to validate the descriptions of the suspects, and identify them in the crowd. They should be plainly obvious on the recordings.

 

[K_Z]

I gotta add one more comment. If the crowd of a dozen or more were at close range to 3 men with guns, who are characterized as "white supremacists" wearing bullet proof vests, it seems kind of oddly lucky to me that the injuries weren't more severe. I'm very glad no one was hurt too badly, and it appears only one person needed surgery. But my hinky meter is going off. Loudly.

It just seems strange to me that people are regularly killed in this area by both intentional and incidental gunfire, and in such close range the injuries were so mild for so many people--and that all 3 apparently got away so quickly.

That just doesn't reconcile with the skill level of the reputation of "white supremacists"-- many of whom spend a considerable amount of time studying and practicing with the biggest handguns with the most firepower. Makes me wonder what the caliber of the bullets were, and the trajectory. The wounded are very, very lucky the shooters were apparently bad shots.

I really hope this isn't a false flag situation.

I hate that this even crosses my mind, but the reported circumstances are so far removed from what I'd expect in a mass shooting where 5 were injured, that I can't help but entertain this. Especially since the only 2 spokespeople/ witnesses who have characterized this shooting as "white supremacists" coincidentally used the exact same language. Not "white shooters", or "white guys", or "white suspects"-- they are both very quick to put a racist label out there. One interviewee is Nekima Levy Pounds, the NAACP leader, and the other identifies herself as a BLM "media liaison". No one else has given media statements or interviews. I find that strange, too.

We'll see how it unfolds. Whatever happened, I hope the shooters are caught and arrested, and prosecuted.

 

[Trino]

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S3972551.shtml?cat=1

The last paragraph says it all...

"A protester who gave his name as Big Don Carlito says demonstrations no longer have anything to do with the Clark family. He says, "If we fold on it, they won."

 

[Always Amazed]

The Latest: 1 arrested in Minneapolis protest shootings

http://www.kwwl.com/story/30591909/the-latest-1-arrested-in-minneapolis-protest-shootings

"Minneapolis police say they have arrested a 23-year-old man in the overnight shootings of five Black Lives Matters protesters."

 

[Betty P]

I gotta add one more comment. If the crowd of a dozen or more were at close range to 3 men with guns, who are characterized as "white supremacists" wearing bullet proof vests, it seems kind of oddly lucky to me that the injuries weren't more severe. I'm very glad no one was hurt too badly, and it appears only one person needed surgery. But my hinky meter is going off. Loudly.

It just seems strange to me that people are regularly killed in this area by both intentional and incidental gunfire, and in such close range the injuries were so mild for so many people--and that all 3 apparently got away so quickly.

That just doesn't reconcile with the skill level of the reputation of "white supremacists"-- many of whom spend a considerable amount of time studying and practicing with the biggest handguns with the most firepower. Makes me wonder what the caliber of the bullets were, and the trajectory. The wounded are very, very lucky the shooters were apparently bad shots.

I really hope this isn't a false flag situation.

I hate that this even crosses my mind, but the reported circumstances are so far removed from what I'd expect in a mass shooting where 5 were injured, that I can't help but entertain this. Especially since the only 2 spokespeople/ witnesses who have characterized this shooting as "white supremacists" coincidentally used the exact same language. Not "white shooters", or "white guys", or "white suspects"-- they are both very quick to put a racist label out there. One interviewee is Nekima Levy Pounds, the NAACP leader, and the other identifies herself as a BLM "media liaison". No one else has given media statements or interviews. I find that strange, too.

We'll see how it unfolds. Whatever happened, I hope the shooters are caught and arrested, and prosecuted.

Having attended some civil rights protests in our area, some related to BLM others related to other police shootings, I can personally vouch for the fact that it's quite common to see one or more cars filled with heavily armed, white civilians cruising through the area. Sometimes they verbally taunt protestors - eg during a march. One tried to ram his car into a group of peaceful protestors participating in a march - including my adult son. It's terrifying and I've begged my son to be careful. He is, he's well trained in escorting protest groups, but these protestors are unarmed. They're sitting ducks.

We're suburban white folks who care about the issue and it does happen. I'm sadly not surprised that it has come to this.

 

[bluesneakers]

Having attended some civil rights protests in our area, some related to BLM others related to other police shootings, I can personally vouch for the fact that it's quite common to see one or more cars filled with heavily armed, white civilians cruising through the area. Sometimes they verbally taunt protestors - eg during a march. One tried to ram his car into a group of peaceful protestors participating in a march - including my adult son. It's terrifying and I've begged my son to be careful. He is, he's well trained in escorting protest groups, but these protestors are unarmed. They're sitting ducks.

We're suburban white folks who care about the issue and it does happen. I'm sadly not surprised that it has come to this.

I can't remember the name of the group, not Minutemen but something similar, but I remember seeing pictures of them in Ferguson. White men, fully armed, walking freely about the scene. To me it looked like they were just waiting for an excuse to open fire. That might have been for show, but they were scary and I couldn't believe how the cops were cool with it. Oh, white guys just exercising their Constitutional rights in the middle of a riot nbd.

 

[Always Amazed]

1:15 p.m.

Police in Minneapolis say they have arrested a second man in the overnight shootings of five Black Lives Matters protesters.

The man was arrested in his car in south Minneapolis. Police described him as a 32-year-old Hispanic man.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/30591909/the-latest-1-arrested-in-minneapolis-protest-shootings

 

[Woodland]

I don't get the outrage or shock at the shooting of protesters by anyone insisting for the last week or so that 'those people' should not be congregating at a police station and 'they' need to gotten rid of and stopped. The shooters were egged on imo to do 'what's gotta be done about those people'.

So 'some people' took charge and pulled out the ever present American gun - then used it. I don't get the sudden problem.

 

[Always Amazed]

Police arrest second suspect in shooting at 4th Precinct Black Lives Matter protest
The shooting happened at 10:45 p.m. Monday, as Black Lives Matter activists tried to move away the men who had been taunting them, according to the protesters.
By Karen Zamora and Libor Jany Star Tribune staff writers NOVEMBER 24, 2015 — 2:08PM

http://www.startribune.com/police-s...t-blm-protest-outside-4th-precinct/353154811/

 

[bluesneakers]

Police arrest second suspect in shooting at 4th Precinct Black Lives Matter protest
The shooting happened at 10:45 p.m. Monday, as Black Lives Matter activists tried to move away the men who had been taunting them, according to the protesters.
By Karen Zamora and Libor Jany Star Tribune staff writers NOVEMBER 24, 2015 — 2:08PM

http://www.startribune.com/police-s...t-blm-protest-outside-4th-precinct/353154811/

Minneapolis police said they arrested a 23-year-old white man in Bloomington at 11:20 a.m. Tuesday. A second shooting suspect, a 32-year-old Hispanic man, was arrested in south Minneapolis at 12:05 p.m., police said on Twitter. The search for other suspects continues.

I want to know their names and whether or not they're the men in the video. If not, where are they?

 

[Always Amazed]

Black Lives Matter Protesters March from Minneapolis Precinct to City Hall

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S3973220.shtml?cat=1

"Hundreds of protesters are marching from the Minneapolis Police Department’s 4th Precinct to Minneapolis City Hall in protest of the fatal shooting of 24-year-old Jamar Clark."

 

[Trino]

Interesting that last night's shooters are - so far - one white guy and a Hispanic guy.

 

[bluesneakers]

Thread for Laquan McDonald

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Jason-Van-Dyke-Charged-with-1st-Degree-Murder

 

[K_Z]

3 men in custody after 5 shot near Fourth Precinct

Police say a 23-year-old white man was taken into custody in Bloomington, around 11:20 a.m. on Tuesday.

Then, around noon, a second person -- a 32-year-old Hispanic man -- was taken into custody in south Minneapolis. Police have since released him after they discovered he was not at the shooting scene.

Finally, around 2:30 p.m., two white men, ages 21 and 26, turned themselves into police. They are currently being interviewed by investigators.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/cr...d-after-5-shot-near-fourth-precinct/76316896/

FWIW-- there are at least a dozen msm stories online about the shootings overnight, and not a single one, or a single interview, characterized the men as "white supremacists" or shouting racial epithets. To the contrary, most describe the men standing quietly and videotaping with cell phones, then confronted by the BLM protesters and run off the protest area.

And what the heck is up with this???? Protesters do not "own" the precinct, and have no right to act as any kind of security or police force, or escort anyone anywhere. The men had EVERY right to be there peacefully, whether BLM likes them or not.

I am still not believing that this situation went down like BLM reps are describing it. These guys may have had intentions to agitate, or they may have just been there to watch. I need to know MUCH more before I will condemn these men's actions at the protest. Ideological conflicts should not be solved with gunfire, but there are TWO sides to whatever happened when gunshots started flying.

Also no further comments about bullet proof vests. One article says a woman was with them as well, and that when asked why they were there, they said "for Jamar Clark."

I'm glad they have all 3 in custody. Unquestionably, they were incredibly STUPID for showing up to such a volatile group of occupiers and protesters. There is more to this story.

Were there BLM protesters who were armed and shooting also? Were there assaults the lead up to the shootings?

Miski Noor, an organizer at the Minneapolis arm of Black Lives Matter, said the shooting happened as demonstrators were escorting three masked men who had been behaving suspiciously away from the site of the rally. When they reached a dark area, the men turned around and fired on the demonstrators before fleeing, Ms. Noor said.


Ms. Noor said that groups of men had been showing up to the demonstrations and “acting shady” since Friday. Witnesses reported that the men were filming protesters and refusing to answer questions about why they were there, she said. In response, the group put together a safety committee to watch for potential agitators and escort them away as a preventive measure, she said.

Some witnesses said on Twitter that they had been sprayed with Mace by the police following the shooting, including an organizer who was trying to film the aftermath, Ms. Noor said. The police did not respond to that report in a news release, and a police spokesman declined to answer questions beyond what was written in the statement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/minneapolis-shooting-protest-police-jamar-clark.html?_r=0

 

[Trino]

Exactly what is "acting shady?" If asked by anyone, is it necessary to respond why you are in a particular place? And, so BLM put together a safety committee to escort potential agitators? Since when does BLM have legal escort service?

I think BLM have legitimate complaints, but I am not certain this case is one to latch on to. Where was BLM in helping find Barway Collins, Henry McCabe, and now Martise Windom? BLM for missing black men, too.

 

[K_Z]

From what Miski Noor and others WITHIN the BLM protesters are saying about what the men were doing before the shooting, and what BLM was doing TO the men before the shooting, the men arrested may indeed have a very good defense to the charges coming. IMO. With an angry crowd of BLM "security" protesters confronting and running off people they don't agree with, how can we ever be sure what happened when the gunshots were fired? These men may be able to legitimately claim they shot in self-defense. It would be pretty easy to see how they could have been afraid for their lives, with an angry mob chasing them.

I want to hear more. Much more.

I'm still not believing the "white supremacists yelling racial epithets" that Nekima Levy Pounds and Miski Noor were so eager to put out to the media this morning. No one is corroborating that interpretation of events at all.

I don't believe most of what NLP says-- she has a LONG history of distorting truth, and inciting riots and unlawful "protests" in her various roles in Mpls, IMO. She's quite an agitator and race baiter-- has been for decades, IMO. This woman has made no secret of how much she hates all white people, IMO. I don't trust her interpretation of anything, and I have no respect for what she does and has done in her various roles at St.T. and the NAACP, among others. IMO, she's not well-respected in the academic community.

 

[bluesneakers]

What about this protest interested them? Why did they need guns?

Racist 4chan trolls with weapons.