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I'm confused by so many comments on this thread. Perhaps it's because I am missing something and haven't followed the case closely.

Don Lemon is a journalist. He covered a protest...filming it and interviewing protestors and congregants. What crime did he commit?
 
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No, it is not. But the question if his behaviour at the church fulfilled the criteria of a person acting as a journalist IS A TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.

MOO 🐄
That is not really the right question. Is a journalist protected by the First Amendment if he goes with someone who commits a criminal act, before, during and after the event?
 
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I'm confused by so many comments on this thread. Perhaps it's because I am missing something and haven't followed the case closely.

Don Lemon is a journalist. He covered a protest...filming it and interviewing protestors and congregants. What crime did he commit?

He deprived others of their First Amendment rights.
 
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Did he personally do that?
Yes, according to the indictment. In addition, both Lemon and Fort are charged with conspiring with other to do that; Fort is only charged with conspiracy.
 
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Yes, according to the indictment. In addition, both Lemon and Fort are charged with conspiring with other to do that; Fort is only charged with conspiracy.
The indictment is not a conviction and the prosecution now has the burden of presenting their evidence to prove this without a shadow of a doubt for the jury. I have seen nothing in their indictment that proves this, so without much more, stronger evidence, I don’t believe they have a very good case against Lemon or Fort. All IMO.
 
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The indictment is not a conviction and the prosecution now has the burden of presenting their evidence to prove this without a shadow of a doubt for the jury. I have seen nothing in their indictment that proves this, so without much more, stronger evidence, I don’t believe they have a very good case against Lemon or Fort. All IMO.
I am aware of that, but that was not the question.

They have a very good case on Lemon, because there is video of him blocking people in the church. Conspiracy, which includes Fort,may need more evidence.

I suspect that the AG either has their electronic communications, or they someone inside, or both.
 
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Comment:
Specifically, the goal of the protest was to confront a member of the church who works as a federal officer.
Question
What is the source for that claim?
Answer:
"The protest was to draw attention to the fact that a church minister at Cities Church in Saint Paul is affiliated with ICE."

Question:
What does that have to do with Lemon and his role as a journalist?

Answer: Nothing. Politely and respectfully informing a congregation that a member of their church is also a federal officer is not news.
 
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Journalists were not there to tell the congregation their pastor works for ICE. The journalists were there to gather information and document the situation to inform the public.


jmo
 
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That has yet to be determined.
No, that is the law. Just showing the relevant parts:

"Whomever, ...

(2)
by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship; or ...

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b) and the civil remedies provided in subsection (c), except that a parent or legal guardian of a minor shall not be subject to any penalties or civil remedies under this section for such activities insofar as they are directed exclusively at that minor."


It is an illegal act, like bank robbery.
 
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That is not really the right question. Is a journalist protected by the First Amendment if he goes with someone who commits a criminal act, before, during and after the event?

That's actually a bizarre question. If a person A goes somewhere with person B and person B decides to commit a crime, that does not make person A a criminal just by association.

And Don Lemon did not even walk into that church together with the protesters.

MOO
 
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"The protest was to draw attention to the fact that a church minister at Cities Church in Saint Paul is affiliated with ICE.
Otto, I do not even how to say it... But drawing attention to the fact a pastor is an ICE officer does not equal wanting to confront said pastor. There is a vast, VAST difference in meaning between these two sentences. Really.

MOO 🐄
 
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No, that is the law. Just showing the relevant parts:

"Whomever, ...

(2)
by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or interfere with any person lawfully exercising or seeking to exercise the First Amendment right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship; or ...

shall be subject to the penalties provided in subsection (b) and the civil remedies provided in subsection (c), except that a parent or legal guardian of a minor shall not be subject to any penalties or civil remedies under this section for such activities insofar as they are directed exclusively at that minor."


It is an illegal act, like bank robbery.
Standing next to the pastor and asking his questions, even at the door to the church, is not obstruction. The pastor was able to leave the church. He didn’t use force to injure, intimidate, or attempt to injure or intimidate anyone. So that leaves obstruction. I didn’t see any video where Don Lemon obstructed anyone in that church, but if you have evidence of this, please share it. Standing next to someone and interviewing them is not obstruction.
 
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Obstructing members of the congregation, intimidating and interfering with them.
As for now there is no evidence fir that despite the fact there is video footage from that particular event (no, indicttion is not an evidence, it only shows the GJ believes there is possibility the person indicted committed the crime in question).

MOO 🐄
 
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Standing next to the pastor and asking his questions, even at the door to the church, is not obstruction. The pastor was able to leave the church. He didn’t use force to injure, intimidate, or attempt to injure or intimidate anyone. So that leaves obstruction. I didn’t see any video where Don Lemon obstructed anyone in that church, but if you have evidence of this, please share it. Standing next to someone and interviewing them is not obstruction.
Blocking him at all would be.
 
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As for now there is no evidence fir that despite the fact there is video footage from that particular event (no, indicttion is not an evidence, it only shows the GJ believes there is possibility the person indicted committed the crime in question).

MOO 🐄

There is ample evidence, part of it that Lemon entered the church.
 
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