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we may be waiting a while, I'll bring snacks for both of usWaiting for the glorious day in which Pam Bondi is disbarred for using the law to violate Americans' Constitutional rights.
MOO.
we may be waiting a while, I'll bring snacks for both of usWaiting for the glorious day in which Pam Bondi is disbarred for using the law to violate Americans' Constitutional rights.
MOO.
Is there any reason to believe that the people whose religious worship was disrupted in violation of the FACE Act would not report the incident to police? Is there any reason to believe that the violation of the FACE Act is not news unless one of the people at the protest held a camera?if DL and other reporters had not covered this incident would we even know about protesters storming a church and interfering with parishioners' rights of religions freedoms to worship?
If he is not a member of the church, but entered the church with a camera to film worshippers and thus interfere with the first amendment rights of the people in the church, is that a form of intimidation? It sounds like he was there to disagree and expose, not to respect and worship.
Did people storm into a place of worship? Like storming into a synagogue or a mosque to disrupt a religious meeting?
Shouldn't journalists take the stance that storming a religious building during a religious meeting is going to cause fear and safety concerns? Would Don Lemon film the storming of a synagogue during a religious meeting?
Or an abortion clinic?
In addition, I believe some of these poor people, in church service, may have been prevented from leaving, if even for a moment. Some of these "protesters" are in hot water. I suspect Don Lemon will be home by supper. I believe he messed up big time here. IMO
So when will Bondi be arrested for literally doing the same?
MOO.
I have no reason to believe the disruption would not have been or was not reported to local law enforcement. However, had I not seen national news showing clips of the chaotic scene I and many others would not know it took place and would not have the opportunity to feel disappointed by or outraged by that action being taken by protesters.Is there any reason to believe that the people whose religious worship was disrupted in violation of the FACE Act would not report the incident to police? Is there any reason to believe that the violation of the FACE Act is not news unless one of the people at the protest held a camera?
Live streaming the storming of a religious building during a religious meeting means that Don Lemon had advance notice of the intent to interfere with the religious meeting and to violate the FACE Act
. If a gang of angry civilians stormed a church, synagogue, mosque, or an abortion clinic, is the person filming the event an innocent bystander or complicit?
The FACE Act prohibits interference with any person who is seeking to exercise first amendment rights of religious freedom at a place of religious worship:
Why should anyone assume that the person with the camera is not a threat?
"A gunman opened fire in a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand, killing 50 people and injuring 50 more. As he did son, he filmed the entire crime and live-streamed it directly to Facebook"
March 2019
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Christchurch shootings: Social media races to stop attack footage
Why was a video of the shootings shared on social media and what can be done about the wider threat?www.bbc.com
It is prohibited to interfere with any person who is seeking to exercise first amendment rights of religious freedom at a place of religious worship. (FACE Act)He is media. Media is allowed to be where there is news. If he did not participate, the law protects him, regardless of whether or not he was in a church.
Sure, but not inside the abortion clinic where women are waiting to terminate pregnancy.Many journalists have filmed protests around Planned Parenthood.
MOO.
The question is: why was he there?No, it doesn't. Livestreaming is as easy as hitting a button. There is no prep needed. Unless we learn that he conspired to do this, there is no law that he broke that I have seen. Also, it isn't up to a journalist to end a protest. Full stop. They are there only to report. Not there to get involved.
If it's a member of the press, they are 100% free and clear. They are NOT complicit. That's how America works.
I'm sorry, but everything you're posting is goes against our Constitution 100%. A camera is NOT a threat when it's held by a member of the press. They have every right to video a protest. This is settled law.
The courts are not going to agree with re-writing the Constitution to excuse this violation. We know that because TWO separate judges (one federal) refused a warrant for Lemon. TWO separate judges decided this was not a legal arrest. Link earlier in the thread.
MOO.
Bolding/emphasis by you ?So when will Bondi be arrested for literally doing the same?
MOO.
Occam's razor would tell me that a journalist on the scene was covering the situation as press. What do you think of ANY journalist at ANY event? That they planned it? Is that the first assumption?Two options - the man with the camera was coincidentally at a church at the moment it was stormed by protesters, or he planned to be there because he had advance notice. What does Occam's razor tell us?
hmmm, this gives me food for thought. I will need to give real thought to whether this changes my opinion. As I said, I did not agree with that crowd overtaking a church at all. I feel it was very wrong of them to do so.
This Don himself. Probably not approved…
In the msn link to several videos there is one where he says this to a parishioner I assume.I cannot find any video uploaded by Don Lemon of the event where he claims he was a journalist. I have found other videos where journalists are commenting on the event, and where short clips are shown. They are widely available ... but I'm unable to find the journalistic video by Don Lemon.
No one is suggesting that everyone with a camera is a threat. The issue is whether, during the violation of the FACE Act, a person with a camera should be presumed to be non-threatening. The answer is no.
FACE Act:
Such a professional, mature tone to take. No wonder the United States is the laughingstock of the world. MOO!the White House's official X account gloats over the arrest of Don Lemon with a chains emoji
It's most likely that Don Lemon was aware of the plan, circulated social media, to interrupting the service. Hopefully, as a former CNN journalist, he was aware of the FACE Act prior to entering the religious building with a camera during a religious service.Law Enforcement were parked outside the church. No arrests were made at the time.
Church’s are considered private property, a demonstrator can be dinged for trespassing. If asked and refusing. Churches have first amendment rights.
Also, no one was blocked from leaving. The protestor’s did not “storm” they stood up. They were already in the pews sitting quietly. Their hands were free. Nothing was thrown other than their voices.
I understand they were there to protest the minister that is also the director of ice that is in the Twin Cities. And to make the parishioners aware that was who they had as one of their preachers.
Don Lemon was there and quietly filming away from the actual protest. I watched this live, came across it randomly on that day. He then left and did ask some church goer’s some questions and gave them the opportunity to speak.
He was notified this was going to happen in advance although he said he did not have many details before for what it’s worth.
This is what I watched and remember. so I guess I have to say its from my perspective and opinion.