MN - Journalist Don Lemon arrested for church protest, Minneapolis, 18 Jan 2026

  • #401
Based on the indictment, Mr. Lemon at no time states that he is an independent journalist.

He met with protest organizers for a pre-op briefing. He said he was gearing up for a resistance operation against the federal government. He could see crying children and stated that the purpose was to "disrupt". He was asked to leave and did not immediately leave.
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I saw part of the video. He specifically states that he is a journalist while he is in the church.
 
  • #402
Imo, the nature of language is inherently ambiguous to some extent. Also imo, many of the landmark cases in American legal history have been concerned with interpretation of the language of the statute. For a recent example, Moore v. United States (2024) required the Court to interpret the meaning of the word "income."

Brief on Moore v. US
The interpretation of the words "interference" and "intimidation" is explained in the indictment.

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  • #403
Regarding the FACE Act, Trump of course pardoned 23 people convicted under the law for interfering with access to abortion clinics.


The DOJ also said they would no longer prosecute any FACE Act violations except for severe cases.


Instead, the Justice Department now says it will no longer enforce violations of the statute, except in extraordinary circumstances — such as cases involving death or serious property damage.

I haven't heard that there was any serious damage nor any deaths during this protest. As if consistency or integrity matters with this ridiculous, weaponized DOJ where prosecutions are for political purposes foremost. 🐮 moo
thank you. Interesting but not surprising IMO.

Are laws only to be upheld when it supports a specific ideology? I would hope not but have seen some pretty scary instances of it IMO lately.
 
  • #404
I asked what is "interfering"? Is it interferring, if someone asks congregants questions after the service was interferred

The church service was already interfered with. Is asking people questions (exercising ones first amendment right) after a church was interferred the same thing?

BTW this administration has lost many court cases because their cases are flawed.

Under the act:

(2) Interfere with.--The term "interfere with" means to restrict a person's freedom of movement.

 
  • #405
thank you for sharing the indictment. I think the federal prosecution may have difficulty proving DL physically intimidated, threatened, or trapped anyone by blocking their exit. JMO. I also keep in mind that allegations are just that, until proven in a court of law.

But I do find DL's foreknowledge AND his obvious and stated intent in keeping the group's mission secret so they could take parishioners by surprise troubling and agree his own words and actions would seem to prove he did in fact do just that. I think that may not be at all hard to prove, he makes the case for that himself, without assistance from prosecutors.

I am most curious why two defendants named in the indictment have been redacted. I wonder why that is.
As for proving he blocked exits and physically intimidated people, I can say with 100% assurance, church members either will or already have given statements as to how he interacted with them as they tried to leave and/or tried to get to where the kids were to collect their kids and leave.

I've seen it suggested that the redacted defendants have possibly been cooperative & given statements to corroborate the conspiracy charge. I don't know if that's true, but it certainly is possible.

jmo
 
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I've seen it suggested that the redacted defendants have possibly been cooperative & given statements to corroborate the conspiracy charge. I don't know if that's true, but it certainly is possible.

jmo
Thanks for pointing out this possibility, it makes a lot of sense.
 
  • #408
The interpretation of the words "interference" and "intimidation" is explained in the indictment.

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seems as if this thread will now go the way of the Alex Pretti thread with pages and pages of debate over exactly what constitutes oppression, intimidation, threats, interference, and physical obstruction and did DL specifically do those things.
 
  • #409
Based on the indictment, Mr. Lemon at no time states that he is an independent journalist.

You mean there's a magic word you recite that makes you a member of the press under the law?
 
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thank you. Interesting but not surprising IMO.

Are laws only to be upheld when it supports a specific ideology? I would hope not but have seen some pretty scary instances of it IMO lately.
That should certainly never be the case.

jmo
 
  • #413
As for proving he blocked exits and physically intimidated people, I can say with 100% assurance, church members either will or already have given statements as to how he interacted with them as they tried to leave and/or tried to get to where the kids were to collect their kids and leave.

I've seen it suggested that the redacted defendants have possibly been cooperative & given statements to corroborate the conspiracy charge. I don't know if that's true, but it certainly is possible.

jmo
yes, I was wondering if those redacted names may have gotten themselves a deal in exchange for their cooperation.

As for proving DL blocked exits, I am sure parishioners did give statements, along with the pastor. I would hope there is independent corroborating evidence aside from witness testimony, which can be unreliable, particularly with witnesses who are upset, angry or traumatized. Perhaps the recording done by the church of its service offers that corroboration.
 
  • #414
The interpretation of the words "interference" and "intimidation" is explained in the indictment.

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Yes, they use those words, because that is the prosecution's view of the events. But for example, what constitutes "oppression," legally? What case law exists that helps to define what it is and is not? Imo this is half of why lawyers exist -- to argue about just such things. The other half is paperwork, lol. But I am going to leave this aspect alone going forward, because IMO it is unanswerable here and now and will just devolve, as a previous poster said.
 
  • #415
Journalists are tough people. They ask tough questions (imagine that!) that ruffle feathers and they cover tough topics and difficult situations as part of their jobs.

They know, respect, and value the role of the free press in a democracy. A free press is specifically mentioned in our first amendment.

They are not naive, thin-skinned, or weak-kneed, as a whole.

I'm wondering if they took the risk of being at the protest during a white nationalist church service knowing it could get them in hot water....but it was worth it to inform the public that ICE is led by people who are white nationalist influencers (and I easily consider a minister an influencer).

Now we know. I consider it important information.

And that goes along with Stephen Miller "seen as a link between the white nationalist agenda and the Trump White House."

I don't condone disrupting a worship service while at the same time I denouce white nationalism.

jmo

Whatever his motives were or what his agenda was, it doesn't justify storming a church and interfering with worshippers at a Sunday service and intimidating and frightening women, children and the elderly. moo
 
  • #416
yes, I was wondering if those redacted names may have gotten themselves a deal in exchange for their cooperation.

As for proving DL blocked exits, I am sure parishioners did give statements, along with the pastor. I would hope there is independent corroborating evidence aside from witness testimony, which can be unreliable, particularly with witnesses who are upset, angry or traumatized. Perhaps the recording done by the church of its service offers that corroboration.
Based only on what I know personally that was shared with me, many people were recording along with the A/V team recording for their YT channel. I shared the link earlier that shows this church does record their sermons weekly and they were recording that morning as usual.
 
  • #417
Whatever his motives were or what his agenda was, it doesn't justify storming a church and interfering with worshippers at a Sunday service and intimidating and frightening women, children and the elderly. moo
Storm a church?
He covered the news, no storming involved by any measure
 
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Journalists are tough people. They ask tough questions (imagine that!) that ruffle feathers and they cover tough topics and difficult situations as part of their jobs.

They know, respect, and value the role of the free press in a democracy. A free press is specifically mentioned in our first amendment.

They are not naive, thin-skinned, or weak-kneed, as a whole.

I'm wondering if they took the risk of being at the protest during a white nationalist church service knowing it could get them in hot water....but it was worth it to inform the public that ICE is led by people who are white nationalist influencers (and I easily consider a minister an influencer).

Now we know. I consider it important information.

And that goes along with Stephen Miller "seen as a link between the white nationalist agenda and the Trump White House."

I don't condone disrupting a worship service while at the same time I denouce white nationalism.

jmo

Yeah, we’re tough as nails. I don’t have a degree in journalism, but I’m close, and I support the people I do, including Don Lemon and Georgia Fort.
 
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