MN - Journalist Don Lemon arrested for church protest, Minneapolis, 18 Jan 2026

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Physical obstruction means blocking their way to the service. Don Lemon or his group did not do that.
My understanding is that the obstruction charge for Don Lemon relates to blocking the pastor from his congregation and family:

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How so? What I see is a journalist who put on his journalist hat and began doing what journalists do on the daily, what they are Constitutionally protected to do.

MOO.
My understanding of the First Amendment is that, regarding:
  • Religion - protects the right to practice religion freely
  • Press - ensure the freedom of news media to report without government censorship
I haven't found any discussion regarding First Amendment, and press rights versus religion rights. The issue here seems to be: who has priority regarding First Amendment rights?

The First Amendment protects the right to practice religion freely. That is, no one has the right to interrupt, disrupt, interfere, intimidate, or obstruct people practicing religion. A scheduled religious ceremony would be defined as "practicing religion".

The First Amendment ensures the right of the press to report without government censorship. Is government censorship at play when an independent journalist enters a church with protesters intent to launch a "resistance operation against federal immigration policies," and to prevent a religious group from practicing religion?

I think the first question has to be: is it reasonable, or protected by the First Amendment, to launch a resistance operation against federal policies in a church while families and children are practicing religion?

The second question has to be: is the press protected when accompanying a resistance operation into a church to document hostile and aggressive action against those practicing religion? If the resistance operation will foreseeably cause psychological injury, is the press given a pass to document the intent to cause unjustified harm and the resulting trauma?

"Lemon started live-streaming and told the audience he was with a group gearing up for a “resistance” operation against federal immigration policies, according to the document. Lemon “took steps to maintain operational secrecy ..."
During the briefing before the operation, prosecutors say, Lemon thanked Nekima Levy Armstrong, a prominent local activist for what she was doing and assured her he was not saying what was going on.​
Inside the church the defendants shouted slogans and blew whistles after the pastor was about to begin the sermon and gestured in a hostile and aggressive manner, according to prosecutors, and the pastor and congregants perceived “threats of violence.”​
Lemon told the livestream he saw a young man who was frightened, sad and crying and it was understandable because the experience was traumatic and uncomfortable, the indictment says.”​

January 30, 2026

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I haven't found any discussion regarding First Amendment, and press rights versus religion rights. The issue here seems to be: who has priority regarding First Amendment rights?
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There is not a priority. The First Amendment is the First Amendment.

jmo
 
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I wish we would stop using the word trauma repeatedly.

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The reason we use the word "trauma" is because "traumatic" is the word that Don Lemon used to describe the consequence and psychological harm caused by the "resistance operation".

"Lemon started live-streaming and told the audience he was with a group gearing up for a “resistance” operation against federal immigration policies,
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Lemon told the livestream
he saw a young man who was frightened, sad and crying and it was understandable because the experience was traumatic and uncomfortable.”

 
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There is not a priority. The First Amendment is the First Amendment.

jmo
Hypothetically, if the resistance operation was to cause physical harm (rather than psychological harm) to a religious group practicing religion, and a journalist attended pre-op planning, then the journalist is within his rights to accompany the resistance operation to the location of the intended operation to film the traumatic event and interview the injured about the experience?

The independent journalist is within his rights to ignore injury while getting the story? The independent journalist is within his rights to "obstruct" the leader whose role it is to comfort the injured?

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Hypothetically, if the resistance operation was to cause physical harm (rather than psychological harm) to a religious group practicing religion, and a journalist attended pre-op planning, then the journalist is within his rights to accompany the resistance operation to the location of the intended operation to film the traumatic event and interview the injured about the experience?

The independent journalist is within his rights to ignore injury while getting the story? The independent journalist is within his rights to "obstruct" the leader whose role it is to comfort the injured?

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A journalist has the right to observe, gather information, document, and report.

I recently heard a journalist talk about how difficult it is to see someone in distress when he's covering a story because his job is to record and report, not to render aid. That is a heavy burden on a journalist. There is a reason people DON'T pursue the careeer of journalist - because they find it too difficult and this would be one example. Another example would be the challenge of writing an exposé on someone who is well-liked and that exposé will cause the person embarassment or worse, but a journalist should not shirk from the story just because it's ugly or hurtful.

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A journalist has the right to observe, gather information, document, and report.

I recently heard a journalist talk about how difficult it is to see someone in distress when he's covering a story because his job is to record and report, not to render aid. That is a heavy burden on a journalist. There is a reason people DON'T pursue the careeer of journalist - because they find it too difficult and this would be one example. Another example would be the challenge of writing an exposé on someone who is well-liked that exposé will cause the person embarassment or worse, but a journalist should not shirk from the story just because it's ugly or hurtful.

jmo

There are several questions, to which I don't have an answer for at this point:

1. Was Lemon involved in the planning of this?

2. Did Lemon enter a non public area and obstruct any of the church members? (A journalist has a right to cover the story, but not obstruct others.)
 
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A journalist has the right to observe, gather information, document, and report.

I recently heard a journalist talk about how difficult it is to see someone in distress when he's covering a story because his job is to record and report, not to render aid. That is a heavy burden on a journalist. There is a reason people DON'T pursue the careeer of journalist - because they find it too difficult and this would be one example. Another example would be the challenge of writing an exposé on someone who is well-liked that exposé will cause the person embarassment or worse, but a journalist should not shirk from the story just because it's ugly or hurtful.

jmo
The question is not whether an independent journalist has a responsibility to render aid, but whether an independent journalist has a responsibility to not obstruct those whose role it is to render aid.

During the "resistance operation" at the church, the widely understood role of the religious leader is to comfort the injured. Lemon is on camera with "agitators" "obstructing" the pastor when he appeared to be "worried and distraught". The pastor clearly stated that he had to take care of his congregation and family, and asked those obstructing him to leave the building.

Rather than respectfully leave the building, the independent journalist asked permission to worship. After he was welcomed to worship, he remained in the building for 13 additional minutes, but did not worship.

According to the independent journalist, he "always worships". If so, why did he ask permission from the pastor to worship?

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There are several questions, to which I don't have an answer for at this point:

1. Was Lemon involved in the planning of this?

2. Did Lemon enter a non public area and obstruct any of the church members? (A journalist has a right to cover the story, but not obstruct others.)
Don Lemon denies that he was involved in the planning, however his own words and actions raise doubt. That is, he attended a pre-op meeting, where he repeatedly states that he will not divulge operational secrecy.

There is also video evidence of Lemon and 3 "agitators" obstructing the pastor when he stated that he needed to look after his congregation and family (see links I posted upthread in the past 2 pages).

"Lemon started livestreaming and told the audience he was with a group gearing up for a “resistance” operation against federal immigration policies, according to the document. Lemon “took steps to maintain operational secrecy by reminding co-conspirators to not disclose the target of their operation,” the indictment says, and stepped away so his microphone would not accidentally divulge the planning.

During the briefing before the operation, prosecutors say, Lemon thanked Nekima Levy Armstrong, a prominent local activist who is among the nine indicted, for what she was doing and assured her he was not saying what was going on."

 
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My understanding of the First Amendment is that, regarding:
  • Religion - protects the right to practice religion freely
  • Press - ensure the freedom of news media to report without government censorship

Only half correct. It also protects the press against government retaliation, which is what I (and many others) consider this to be.

ACLU and ACLU of Minnesota React to the Trump Administration's Arrests of Journalists Don Lemon and Georgia Fort | American Civil Liberties Union

If the resistance operation will foreseeably cause psychological injury, is the press given a pass to document the intent to cause unjustified harm and the resulting trauma?

SBMFF. There's the trauma again. Who determines who experiences trauma and who doesn't. Again, not every adverse event causes trauma. It's become a buzz word to talk about any behavior we don't like and we should probably be more thoughtful about using it in general, IMO.

But assuming your question was accurate, the answer is yes. The press has a pass to document what is happening. That's why they were able to cover 9/11 (which was traumatizing to many). They photograph plane crashes and even dead bodies. They cover crime scenes and yes, sometimes they cover crimes in progress if they're there when it happens. That's how you get the Kent State photo that's infamous around the globe.

To suggest that isn't already the role of a free press in America is inaccurate.

MOO.
 
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Only half correct. It also protects the press against government retaliation, which is what I (and many others) consider this to be.

ACLU and ACLU of Minnesota React to the Trump Administration's Arrests of Journalists Don Lemon and Georgia Fort | American Civil Liberties Union



SBMFF. There's the trauma again. Who determines who experiences trauma and who doesn't. Again, not every adverse event causes trauma. It's become a buzz word to talk about any behavior we don't like and we should probably be more thoughtful about using it in general, IMO.

But assuming your question was accurate, the answer is yes. The press has a pass to document what is happening. That's why they were able to cover 9/11 (which was traumatizing to many). They photograph plane crashes and even dead bodies. They cover crime scenes and yes, sometimes they cover crimes in progress if they're there when it happens. That's how you get the Kent State photo that's infamous around the globe.

To suggest that isn't already the role of a free press in America is inaccurate.

MOO.
Regarding the use of the word "trauma", that is the word used by the professional journalists to describe the protest in the church.

Does the question then become: is the government silencing an independent journalist who is allegedly obstructing a pastor that wants to comfort his congregation and family, or is the independent journalist documenting the agitators who are obstruct the pastor?
 
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Hypothetically, if the resistance operation was to cause physical harm (rather than psychological harm) to a religious group practicing religion, and a journalist attended pre-op planning, then the journalist is within his rights to accompany the resistance operation to the location of the intended operation to film the traumatic event and interview the injured about the experience?

Yes, actually. If the reporter knew ahead of time the plan was to harm individuals, then he could potentially be charged with conspiracy, but Lemon wasn't charged with this, likely because they can't prove he knew the plan ahead of time. But if the reporter just showed up to the crime scene or followed the group to the crime scene, the reporter can absolutely film the traumatic event and interview the injured about the experience.

The independent journalist is within his rights to ignore injury while getting the story?

Yes. 100%. If you've ever seen a report about a car crash and seen a reporter not helping, you know this is true. The coverage of war zones that we see on our television are from reporters in the field getting video and photographs, not of them lending a hand to those who are injured, either psychologically or physically. Their job is to REPORT, not help.

The independent journalist is within his rights to "obstruct" the leader whose role it is to comfort the injured?

Where and when did he obstruct? Is there evidence of this that we've seen? Because I haven't seen it from the clips of his livestream that I saw.

MOO.
 
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Yes, actually. If the reporter knew ahead of time the plan was to harm individuals, then he could potentially be charged with conspiracy, but Lemon wasn't charged with this, likely because they can't prove he knew the plan ahead of time. But if the reporter just showed up to the crime scene or followed the group to the crime scene, the reporter can absolutely film the traumatic event and interview the injured about the experience.



Yes. 100%. If you've ever seen a report about a car crash and seen a reporter not helping, you know this is true. The coverage of war zones that we see on our television are from reporters in the field getting video and photographs, not of them lending a hand to those who are injured, either psychologically or physically. Their job is to REPORT, not help.



Where and when did he obstruct? Is there evidence of this that we've seen? Because I haven't seen it from the clips of his livestream that I saw.

MOO.
The evidence in support of the affidavit and indictment is not restricted to the youtube video published by the independent journalist. Additional footage, per the affidavit, is used to justify the charge of obstruction against Don Lemon.
 
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The question is not whether an independent journalist has a responsibility to render aid, but whether an independent journalist has a responsibility to not obstruct those whose role it is to render aid.

SBMFF.

Actually, your question was "The independent journalist is within his rights to ignore injury while getting the story?" That's what some of us are answering.

And given that there is no evidence he obstructed anything, I think it's the more relevant question of the two. Show me evidence of obstruction and maybe I'll have a different answer, but from the video clips I've seen, he couldn't have been more calm and collected as he interviewed people and never physically obstructed anyone.

MOO.
 
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The evidence in support of the affidavit and indictment is not restricted to the youtube video published by the independent journalist. Additional footage, per the affidavit, is used to justify the charge of obstruction against Don Lemon.

So as I said, is there evidence that we've seen? Because I think it's a lie, frankly. Two separate judges dismissed this and refused to sign the warrant for a reason.

MOO.
 
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