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I already have. Refusing to leave and disrupting the service.
MOO.
As far as I am aware he did neither of those things.
I'm getting dizzy from this going round in circles
I already have. Refusing to leave and disrupting the service.
MOO.
Well, that is debatable.The grand jury, which may have had more time and more evidence, found that evidence.
MOO.
What other journalists have been targeted?
IIRC, Lemon being ask to leave is on his own live stream. Likewise by peppering the pastor with questions, blocking him, that disrupted the service.As far as I am aware he did neither of those things.
I'm getting dizzy from this going round in circles![]()
In other words, there are no other journalists targeted. Got it.Well, that is debatable.
They didn't have much time on the case.
Lemons lawyers are requesting the GJ transcripts because it appears the GJ was given bad facts, bad law, and/or bad instructions.
The judges who declined to permit an arrest of Lemon did not see probable cause, and there isn't reason at this time to think the GJ knows something the judges do not.
MOO
The GJ is suspect in this case. The reasons for thinking this GJ indictment is flawed are compelling.The two judges are not the issue.
A grand jury determined it.
MOO
Not usually, but sometimes.In other words, there are no other journalists targeted. Got it.
Again, grand juries have more time and usually more evidence.
MOO
The grand jury sits for a term, as a rule; they are not picked for a specific case: Rule 6. The Grand JuryThe GJ is suspect in this case. The reasons for thinking this GJ indictment is flawed are compelling.
Please read the motion to release the transcripts.
MOO
In my opinion Don Lemon knew it was something he shouldn’t be doing.Okay.
It was not a "good idea." In your opinion.
But, according to two judges so far, he didn't appear to break any laws.
MOO
Not usually, but sometimes.
It can be a solid prosecution strategy to use the GJ over time to collect and preserve evidence and testimony.
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that this particular GJ met a moment longer than necessary to sign a paper.
Read the motion to release the transcripts about THIS GJ, and stop bringing up what you think usually happens.
MOO
IIRC, Lemon being ask to leave is on his own live stream. Likewise by peppering the pastor with questions, blocking him, that disrupted the service.
MOO.
In other words, there are no other journalists targeted. Got it.
Again, grand juries have more time and usually more evidence.
MOO
Did you hear him refuse to leave?
I didnt see Lemon blocking the Pastor from moving away from him, he wasnt blocking the aisle, not obstructing the Pastor in any way. The Pastor did walk away didnt he?
The service was stopped, Lemon didnt cause the disruption, he interviewed people in the aftermath of it.
Apart from the other named journalist that was also arrested and charged in this case you mean?
But you brought up your belief that convicting the protesters would be difficult.We are talking about the journalists' arrests on this thread. And the ACLU is not a fan of their arrests.
I think this is going to squeeze Lemon and also why only two journalists- one of whom was there only because Lemon was there covered the event.Lemon was unlawfully in the church, being part of the disruption. No one can do that, including a journalist.
Those protesters were pardoned by this administration. That shows this administration may be using the statute maliciously, rather than idealistically.
MOO
The pardoning is irrelevant to the case; I doubt if it can be introduced. IMO,Yes, this might be part of the defence's case. imo
On the one hand, in this instance, the administration (DOJ) charged protesters and journalists with violating the FACE Act.
And the administration (president) had previously pardoned 23 protesters convicted of FACE Act violations.
SBMThe fact that the protestors are ready to justify their actions does not latter. What matters is whether or not they violated the FACE act. Likewise, the fact that the protesters deem the Pastor to be "uncool" is also a non starter.
The opinion by the judges wasn't unanimous, two out of the three judges at the Appeal Court level did not see probable cause based on the evidence presented by the government at that time. And the Court suggested that the prosecution take the case to a grand jury. The judges' majority and minority opinions were posted several times upthread.Well, that is debatable.
They didn't have much time on the case.
Lemons lawyers are requesting the GJ transcripts because it appears the GJ was given bad facts, bad law, and/or bad instructions.
The judges who declined to permit an arrest of Lemon did not see probable cause, and there isn't reason at this time to think the GJ knows something the judges do not.
MOO
Agree, he knew about the FACE Act and decided to violate it in his excitement of the moment. IMO.In my opinion Don Lemon knew it was something he shouldn’t be doing.
During the livestream, as they arrive at the church, he says -“I don’t think we can go inside, right”? (he answers his own question) “No, no, no, no, no. We can stand outside.”. (23:35)
imo moo