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Is anyone saying that?

Yes, YOU are saying it, still, in this same post even.

Have not the statutes been cited saying that the actions are a violation?

The statutes don't say it, you only claim they do.

Just cited it.

Interfering and intimidating are crimes. I would say that most protests in a church are interfering. IMO

Wrong again. That code defines interfering and intimidating as:

(2) Interfere with.—The term "interfere with" means to restrict a person's freedom of
movement.
(3) Intimidate.—The term "intimidate" means to place a person in reasonable apprehension of
bodily harm to him- or herself or to another


Neither Lemon nor Fort commit either of those actions. If you are going to keep accusing them of crimes, please cite some specific proof, it's only polite to do so. Thanks in advance.
 
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Thank you for quoting laws that show you are wrong. Nowhere does it say that protesting in itself is a crime. It says certain actions are crimes, but not protests alone, since protests don't necessarily include those actions.
This “protest” includes those actions and since that’s what the thread is about, I would call it a crime.
 
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Go back and look at the language again. Standing in their way, on three sides, obstructs. A group of people yelling and not leaving threatens, to the point of intimidation. Not leaving when requested intimidates.

Also 241 deals with "threaten, or intimidate." Same situation.



MOO
Not only that, they were blocking the stairway to where the children were located.
 
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Not only that, they were blocking the stairway to where the children were located.
In fairness Lemon and Fiort were primarily blocking the pastor
 
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Not only that, they were blocking the stairway to where the children were located.
Don Lemon was not. This thread is about Don Lemon, not what the protestors were doing or not doing. jmo
 
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In fairness Lemon and Fiort were primarily blocking the pastor
Blocking the pastor? Don Lemon was on his side asking questions. Does this really need to be rehashed again?
 
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Blocking the pastor? Don Lemon was on his side asking questions. Does this really need to be rehashed again?
That triggers the statute. IMO.
 
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That triggers the statute. IMO.

Wild how that “triggers” the statue that the administration previously found as being an affront to their freedoms to the extent that the anti-abortion terrorists who violated it in the past were all pardoned. What is the difference between them and what Don Lemon did as a journalist, outside the fact that he was a black journalist who was complicit in the horrifying crime of sympathizing with protestors he was covering.

Tell me, why is it important he be prosecuted under the FACT act while others who clearly violated it were pardoned? What is the difference between him and those who happily tormented and hurt others at abortion clinics?
 
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Wild how that “triggers” the statue that the administration previously found as being an affront to their freedoms to the extent that the anti-abortion terrorists who violated it in the past were all pardoned. What is the difference between them and what Don Lemon did as a journalist, outside the fact that he was a black journalist who was complicit in the horrifying crime of sympathizing with protestors he was covering.

Tell me, why is it important he be prosecuted under the FACT act while others who clearly violated it were pardoned? What is the difference between him and those who happily tormented and hurt others at abortion clinics?
The pardon is not the issue. Under the Constitution, POTUS can pardon anyone convicted of a federal crime, except for an impeachment.

It could not even be introduced in court and another POTUS could pardon people convicted here.

IMO.
 
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The pardon is not the issue. Under the Constitution, POTUS can pardon anyone except for impeachment.

It could not even be introduced in court and another POTUS could pardon people convicted here.

IMO.

It’s relevant because one group is being excused from prosecution while the other isn’t. Stop pretending like this is a court case removed from the political and social issues surrounding it. All you’re doing is affirming that you think a certain group should be punished with said act, an act which was put in place to protect abortion clinics and women’s healthcare,— basic rights that are being regularly and vocally denied by this administration; while others should be exempt from it.

Or do you believe that anti-abortion terrorists are entitled to violate medical centers? This law only matters when a white Christian church is somehow “hurt” by it?
 
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It’s relevant because one group is being excused from prosecution while the other isn’t. Stop pretending like this is a court case removed from the political and social issues surrounding it. All you’re doing is affirming that you think a certain group should be punished with said act, an act which was put in place to protect abortion clinics and women’s healthcare,— basic rights that are being regularly and vocally denied by this administration; while others should be exempt from it.

Or do you believe that anti-abortion terrorists are entitled to violate medical centers? This law only matters when a white Christian church is somehow “hurt” by it?
Not admissible. The court case, by its nature, is removed from politics.

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Blocking the pastor? Don Lemon was on his side asking questions. Does this really need to be rehashed again?

Storming abortion clinics, screaming at women trying to access basic healthcare, being violent toward doctors at those clinics: acceptable in the name of a Christian god and furthering an extremist right-wing agenda.

Black journalist covering a protest in a Christian church that makes some members uncomfortable: terrible violation of American rights.

Let’s not look into that deeper or pontificate on it more. This is totally not a racist or biased prosecution. Obviously.
 
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Storming abortion clinics, screaming at women trying to access basic healthcare, being violent toward doctors at those clinics: acceptable in the name of a Christian god and furthering an extremist right-wing agenda.

Black journalist covering a protest in a Christian church that makes some members uncomfortable: terrible violation of American rights.

Let’s not look into that deeper or pontificate on it more. This is totally not a racist or biased prosecution. Obviously.
I did not say it was acceptable. I said that it was not relevant to this case.

IMO.
 
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Here are the prosecution's motion to designate the case complex and the defendants' reply.

GOVERNMENT’S MOTION TODESIGNATE CASE ASCOMPLEX UNDER THESPEEDY TRIAL ACT OR, INTHE ALTERNATIVE, EXTENDDATE FOR DISCLOSURE OFDISCVOVERY

DEFENDANTS’ OPPOSITION TOGOVERNMENT’S MOTION FORCOMPLEX CASE DESIGNATIONAND NINETY DAY SPEEDY TRIALEXCLUSION

If granted, it would extend certain deadlines and prolong the case, which the prosecution wants because imo they know they have a bs case and brought it in bad faith.
 
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Go back and look at the language again. Standing in their way, on three sides, obstructs.

On the pastor's left was a parishioner or lay person.
Georgia is standing quite a bit back. Her microphone is not visible in this picture, but I have seen it be barely visible in other pictures.

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Sorry to bring this up again, but does anyone know when the pretrial hearings begin for Don Lemon? TIA

Not hearings, but unless complex case is granted, the filing and disclosure deadlines are.

Government Disclosure due by 2/24/2026. Defendant Disclosure due by 3/3/2026. Motions due by 3/10/2026. Responses due by 3/24/2026. Notice of Intent to Call Witness due by 3/24/2026. Response to Notice of Intent to Call Witness due by 3/27/2026.

See doc 130 at


Government Disclosure is due next week, but they don't want to have to show their weak case. The one long shot they have is retrieving something useful from the defendants' phones they seized, but I doubt that'll work. moo
 
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Here are the prosecution's motion to designate the case complex and the defendants' reply.

GOVERNMENT’S MOTION TODESIGNATE CASE ASCOMPLEX UNDER THESPEEDY TRIAL ACT OR, INTHE ALTERNATIVE, EXTENDDATE FOR DISCLOSURE OFDISCVOVERY

DEFENDANTS’ OPPOSITION TOGOVERNMENT’S MOTION FORCOMPLEX CASE DESIGNATIONAND NINETY DAY SPEEDY TRIALEXCLUSION

If granted, it would extend certain deadlines and prolong the case, which the prosecution wants because imo they know they have a bs case and brought it in bad faith.
According to both filings the prosecutors have 2000+ pages of documentation, in addition to video. That does not sound weak.

Something else is interesting. There are 9 defendants, but only six signed off on this. Lemon and Fort did not.

IMO.
 
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