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On the pastor's left was a parishioner or lay person.
Georgia is standing quite a bit back. Her microphone is not visible in this picture, but I have seen it be barely visible in other pictures.

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Those MAGA “media” people seem a little unhinged, to say the least

The MAGA media response turned from anger to glee when Lemon and Fort were arrested last week. They were indictedalong with seven others on allegations that they “conspired and agreed with one another and with other persons…to injure, oppress, threaten, and intimidate” multiple people. (The Justice Department initially had trouble bringing chargesagainst Lemon after federal magistrate and appellate judges rejected the case.) “These arrests have been hilariously fun to look at and laugh at,” Johnson said on his show. “When are we gonna get the Don Lemon mug shot?”

“Hey, congratulations.… It’s great that they finally got him,” Pool said on his podcast. “But what are we gonna do about the fact that there is an active insurgency? I mean, this is sedition, this is seditious conspiracy!”

Seditious conspiracy? That’s quite a leap. :rolleyes: JMO
 
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A private platform moderating content is legal and is not the same as government suppressing speech.

IMO, the government is not suppressing speech when it safeguards the equally important right to worship free of intimidation and interference.
 
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Meanwhile.

House Republicans advance bill to repeal FACE Act​

written by Kate Scanlon 2:57 PM June 12, 2025

The same guy introduced the bill in 2023. It is not going anyplace: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5577

IMO.
 
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IMO, the government is not suppressing speech when it safeguards the equally important right to worship free of intimidation and interference.

The govt could have achieved both. Prosecute the protesters, and allow the reporters to report on the protest without prosecution.

imo

"Even if an assembly is declared unlawful or is dispersed, that does not terminate the right of journalists to monitor protests."

https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default...Human-Rights-Context-Protests-Journalists.pdf
 
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Because, under FACE, it is cordoned area. If he were to follow a group of anti-abortion activists into a clinic, it would be the ame situation.

Except then he'd be pardoned by the POTUS, so...

MOO
 
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Attys for Don Lemon & Georgia Fort oppose DOJ effort to delay church protest trial, argue interviews & public attacks from top officials underscore urgency of a quick resolution



Some bits from your linked pdf:


Ms. Fort and Mr. Lemon seek to move this case forward expeditiously because they believe the caselaw will support the dismissal of the charges (as has occurred in other cases that have been rushed, politicized, and brought by this Administration)

This case is not complex within any precedential meaning of the law or the norms of the District of Minnesota. The volume of discovery previewed by the Government—2,000 pages of discovery, video footage that is largely public, and phone downloads—is typical for run-of-the mill cases in this District.

The Government has already had 31 days to gather, organize, and prepare discovery.

The Justice Department has assigned at least five federal prosecutors to the case, along with all other federal law enforcement resources it has brought to bear.

As the Government should know, the Department of Justice’s own internal policies reinforce that prosecutors are expected to thoroughly assess evidence and discovery obligations before charges are brought, as part of the charging decision, not afterward.

A central purpose of the Speedy Trial Act is to ensure defendants receive due process and can vindicate their trial rights promptly. Those interests are especially critical here, given the Administration’s continuing and repeated condemnation of Ms. Fort and Mr. Lemon.
From the President to the Attorney General and other senior Administration officials, members of the Government have not only publicly declared the journalists’ guilt but have openly derided and mocked them in the media.
 
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Yes we are, as Lemon and Fort were part of that disruption.

A reporter cannot follow home invaders into a house and claim that they are being journalists when they try to interview the terrified homeowners.

IMO.
However, provided that they themselves are not engaging in the crimes, many states implemented shield laws that protect journalists who document or receive recordings of illegal activity without being prosecuted or charged themselves. For example, protected journalists even when they witnessed and recorded law officers illegally collect bribes, witnessed Black Panther meetings during a time they were considered illegal and document the torture and unlawful imprisonment of prisoners of war in Iraq. Of course, journalists must receive consent from the home or facility owners to enter the premises to interview and record, however, even when they violate this ethical and legal principal they can be held responsible and prosecuted for trespassing but not for the crimes for which they witnessed and documented.

That was one element that was reported.

One of those things RSF counts is government "support for independent media." Our government does not, and should not, be supporting media. That is how this group measures "freedom."

We live in a time when the average citizen, with an internet link, can actually read the documents needed. 25-30 years ago, we could not do that. We don't need the filter of a reporter telling us what it says.

IMO.
JMO but I think it should since the freedom of the press exercised by the media historically seems to have played an integral part of our democracy. It keep us informed, allows us to learn, gain knowledge from multiple different perspectives and build our own thoughts independently to challenge ourselves and others as we make choices based on our own self-interest rather than that of some abusive monarchy, corporate superpower or overarching political structure that stripped the very humanness of other. It helps us unite and organize, like we did for Civil Rights and learn that a wrong must be addressed and made right like with the Flint, Michigan Water Crisis. It helps us engage with our local, state and national government and at least by having media created in multiple different forms and languages, like on radio vs TV vs print, it ensures the news and current events are available to nearly everyone, including those who struggle with illiteracy or hearing and visual disabilities. Experiencing events in different forms can also affect the impact they have on someone, such as I experienced when first hearing that the Twin Towers were gone on the radio and then watching the events of 9/11 unfold when I came home.
Don Lemon talked about the possibility of getting arrested in his livestream. I think he had an idea he was doing something wrong. He also remained after being asked to leave, this suggests he had an awareness he was going against property owner’s wishes. imo
Second, no one in that church was there to be ambush interviewed by Lemon, and no one in that church wanted to be interviewed by Lemon or anyone else. That junk was pushed onto them without their consent. Exactly as it appears to have been planned.
Was Don Lemon there to worship?
No, he stated clearly that he was there to cover the protest inside the church.
He 100% knew the protestors were going to be inside, and interrupt the church service.
He was present at a meeting where it was layed out exactly how it would happen.

Right then and there, admitting why he was there in the first place he made it perfectly clear he was not inside that church for the stated purpose the church was open, but instead had his own agenda for being there. Once the service was initially interrupted by a protestor, he did in fact participate with the on-going interruption by attempting to "interview" people. The church wasn't open to host random journalists to bombard worshippers with questions about civil rights and the US Constitution, but that's exactly what Lemon was doing.

How anyone can say Lemon wasn't part of the disruption is kind of bizarre to me, since he filmed himself doing it.
It appeared to me that DL asked for consent to talk before he began the interview. There were at least three times on camera when viewers can see him explicitly ask interviewees it is okay to talk to them and if they said no he excused himself and was ready to walk away. He thanked each parishioner he spoke to for their time and didn’t block them or grab them when they were ready to cut the conversation short. It seemed DL respected and IMO, it did seem like some churchgoers wanted to share their own viewpoints and emotions too since like the protesters they had their own voice wanted viewers to try to understand and hear their side of things too. In other words, they had their own agency and exercised it with boundaries in terms of if and when they spoke to DL and what topics they would willing to discuss on his platform.

Additionally, the service was already interrupted and halted by the time DL started interviewing church members as noted when the pastor was no longer leading prayer but instead willingly spoke to him before firmly ending the interview so that he could continue to check on his family and comforting parishioners. It did not appear that he interrupted or ambushed anyone trying to continue their own prayer or service privately but rather interviewed those who were either already leaving or were also watching the interactions and tension between the church leaders and the protested. He also repeated a few times he was not a protester but as a reporter or someone who was documented what was going on.
That triggers the statute. IMO.
To have triggered the statue wouldn’t it have to be proven in court he inhibited their exercise of religious freedoms by using force, the threat of force, intimidation, intentionally injure, physical obstruction, interfere with practitioners by limiting their movement or damaging their place of worship? How did he interfere with or limit the movement of those then that gave consent to be interviewed? In my opinion he didn’t but this is just understand from MS Now Andy and reading of the law from Cornell.edu . Of course I could be wrong.

I don’t agree with the protesters interrupting the service and I do think those harassed and terrified the children should be held accountable. I also don’t want to undercut or dismiss the agency and insights of those in the church who shared their thoughts and insights with us, DL and the protesters even as they felt overwhelmed and there was so much tension and confusion around but that is JMO.

MOO/MOP






 
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The quote function did not work, so these are the quotes From AppleTreeGreen:

"However, provided that they themselves are not engaging in the crimes, many states implemented shield laws that protect journalists who document or receive recordings of illegal activity without being prosecuted or charged themselves. For example, protected journalists even when they witnessed and recorded law officers illegally collect bribes, witnessed Black Panther meetings during a time they were considered illegal and document the torture and unlawful imprisonment of prisoners of war in Iraq. Of course, journalists must receive consent from the home or facility owners to enter the premises to interview and record, however, even when they violate this ethical and legal principal they can be held responsible and prosecuted for trespassing but not for the crimes for which they witnessed and documented."

The "shield laws" only deal with sources and none exists at the federal level. A journalist would be not protected if he shares in the bribery, for example. Here, Lemon was asked to leave a space protected under federal law and was part of the intimidation.

As to the intimidation, the very act of block isles, chanting, and cornering people in a protected space is intimidation. Lemon at least did two of those things.

As to RSF, that group counts is government "support for independent media." In the US, media is, and has been, a private business, not a governmental supported group. There has been opposition to government interference (dating back to Walter Cronkite's Playboy interview, at least. I have never heard any journalist suggest that there should be an official government station, similar to the BBC. This group thinks those things are better.
 
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The quote function did not work, so these are the quotes From AppleTreeGreen:

"However, provided that they themselves are not engaging in the crimes, many states implemented shield laws that protect journalists who document or receive recordings of illegal activity without being prosecuted or charged themselves. For example, protected journalists even when they witnessed and recorded law officers illegally collect bribes, witnessed Black Panther meetings during a time they were considered illegal and document the torture and unlawful imprisonment of prisoners of war in Iraq. Of course, journalists must receive consent from the home or facility owners to enter the premises to interview and record, however, even when they violate this ethical and legal principal they can be held responsible and prosecuted for trespassing but not for the crimes for which they witnessed and documented."

The "shield laws" only deal with sources and none exists at the federal level. A journalist would be not protected if he shares in the bribery, for example. Here, Lemon was asked to leave a space protected under federal law and was part of the intimidation.

As to the intimidation, the very act of block isles, chanting, and cornering people in a protected space is intimidation. Lemon at least did two of those things.

As to RSF, that group counts is government "support for independent media." In the US, media is, and has been, a private business, not a governmental supported group. There has been opposition to government interference (dating back to Walter Cronkite's Playboy interview, at least. I have never heard any journalist suggest that there should be an official government station, similar to the BBC. This group thinks those things are better.
A journalist would be not protected if he shares in the bribery, for example.
Yes, I agree as I had written above that unless the journalists are engaging in criminal acts themselves the shield laws are meant to protect them.

My apologies but I was using the lens of a house robbery, not the federal FACE Act, that was provided earlier as an example when discussing the shield laws since from my understanding in my state journalists do not have to disclose information even when it is in reference to criminal acts, provided again they are not involved or aiding and abetting in the crime. This is in addition to offering journalists a number of protections when it comes to disclosure of information, according to PBS and RCFP.org.

Here, Lemon was asked to leave a space protected under federal law and was part of the intimidation.
According to Cornell Law.edu, in regards to the FACE Act, intimidation is defined by causing someone to cause a person to develop reasonable apprehension that they will suffer harm to him or herself. It did not appear IMO that the pastor seemed apprehensive of his physical well being or DL harming him as they did stand close together during their interview, seems cordial for the most part and seemed confident and firm when he ended the interview after informing DL he wanted him to leave to as his church was a place of worship.
However, that is JMO

Also, according to MS Now, trespassing often falls under state law regulation

As to the intimidation, the very act of block isles, chanting, and cornering people in a protected space is intimidation. Lemon at least did two of those things.
I did not see DL blocking the aisles and corninv people with the other protesters in his video. Perhaps I will watch it again but it did seem in my opinion he asked for consent before he conducted his interviews, did not seem to intimidate or cause others to feel apprehensive of experiencing physical harm from him and when his interviewees were ready to stop the conversation or grew frustrated and wanted to leave he thanked them and ended the interviews. They did not seem closed in or unable to escape him or his cameraman and were given a berth of space to leave and move as they pleased as shown when the priest, the man in the black shirt outside and the man in pink left when the conversation grew too tense or they had other priorities to attend to. If there is a time stamp you would recommend in his video I recheck though please let me know.

JMO





 
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The blocking is claimed in the indictment, specifically, so the grand jury did see it.

Was there "reasonable apprehension" in case and that would be included in the testimony of the victims, which the grand jury has.

IMO.
 
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The blocking is claimed in the indictment, specifically, so the grand jury did see it.

Was there "reasonable apprehension" in case and that would be included in the testimony of the victims, which the grand jury has.
Yes but the grand jury determined that there was probable cause to reasonably believe DL could have committed the crimes mentioned in the affidavit, not that he committed them beyond a reasonable doubt. For that reason, IMO, I think until the trial when we learn more it is okay to disagree with, question, or challenge how the evidence that has been mentioned in it was interpreted or to express our POV. However, that is just me.

MOO but mods please correct me if I wrong
 
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The blocking is claimed in the indictment, specifically, so the grand jury did see it.

Was there "reasonable apprehension" in case and that would be included in the testimony of the victims, which the grand jury has.

Well, if that's accurate, the jury will be allowed to see for themselves at the trial.

That's why the defense attorneys are asking that the prosecution respect the accused rights to a speedy trial. They've pointed out valid reasons why the prosecution doesn't need an additional 3 months to compile and review their evidence, most of which has already been seen by the general public.

It's not a complex case, as the government claims. Data from a few cell phones of an event that took place over a period of an hour or so doesn't indicate a complex case or justify months of additional time. WS members have followed many complex criminal cases, so we know them when we see them. This isn't one.

JMO, the request is even more suspect considering the government has already been obviously trying their case in the news media in attempts to taint a potential jury pool or damage the reputation of the journalists prior to dropping the case altogether.

If the DOJ thinks they have a strong case, they need to move forward with a speedy trial, not more delays.
 
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Yes but the grand jury determined that there was probable cause to reasonably believe DL could have committed the crimes mentioned in the affidavit, not that he committed them beyond a reasonable doubt. For that reason, IMO, I think until the trial when we learn more it is okay to disagree with, question, or challenge how the evidence that has been mentioned in it was interpreted or to express our POV. However, that is just me.

MOO but mods please correct me if I wrong
However, that is very large step to convincing a petite jury.

The old line about a prosecutor getting a grand jury to "indict a ham sandwich" came from a judge name Sol Wachtler, who was later convicted and served time in federal prison. It is a good proving ground for the strength of a case.

MOO
 
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Well, if that's accurate, the jury will be allowed to see for themselves at the trial.

That's why the defense attorneys are asking that the prosecution respect the accused rights to a speedy trial. They've pointed out valid reasons why the prosecution doesn't need an additional 3 months to compile and review their evidence, most of which has already been seen by the general public.

It's not a complex case, as the government claims. Data from a few cell phones of an event that took place over a period of an hour or so doesn't indicate a complex case or justify months of additional time. JMO, the request is even more suspect considering the government has already been obviously trying their case in the news media in attempts to taint a potential jury pool or damage the reputation of the journalists prior to dropping the case altogether. JMO

That will be done at the trial.

There is more that 2000 documents, exclusive of video. The problem is not a trial in the Press; the problem is Lemon's video is public.

MMO,
 
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That will be done at the trial.

There is more that 2000 documents, exclusive of video. The problem is not a trial in the Press; the problem is Lemon's video is public.

MMO,
The DOJ's own internal policy requires that it investigate first, evaluate the evidence, before bringing charges. It goes without saying they reviewed it prior to presenting it to a grand jury and don't need additional time to review it again.


There are many more complex cases that haven't required months and months of additional delays. They have a high bar to jump in proving to the court they need more delays, including 3 extra months, to re-review their evidence on a case that isn't complex. JMO
 
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The DOJ's own internal policy requires that it investigate first, evaluate the evidence, before bringing charges. It goes without saying they reviewed it prior to presenting it to a grand jury and don't need additional time to review it again.


There are many more complex cases that haven't required months and months of additional delays. They have a high bar to jump in proving to the court they need more delays, including 3 extra months, to re-review their evidence on a case that isn't complex. JMO
They could not get some of that evidence until it went to the grand jury.

Lemon compared this to "run of the mill cases" in that district. Do they get an extension as a rule.
 
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They could not get some of that evidence until it went to the grand jury.

Lemon compared this to "run of the mill cases" in that district. Do they get an extension as a rule.

Are they saying they sent evidence to the grand jury without first reviewing it?

A case must be ruled "complex" before a judge will allow the prosecution to waive a defendant's right to a speedy trial. This case doesn't meet that test. It involves charges against 2 journalists covering an event that lasted a couple of hours, at most.

Better examples of a complex case would be Brian Kohberger murdering 4 college students in their apartment or the Wagner family murdering 8 members of the Rhoden and Gilley families as they slept in 4 different homes.

The defendants in this case have already allowed a 21 day extension for the government to make it's case. Discovery should already be taking place on most of the evidence, as most of it has already been seen by the public.

To be clear: there is no reason why the Government cannot begin producingbasic discovery well within its present grasp starting on February 24, such as:
• The search warrant filings for all search warrants the Government has acquired;
• The log of grand jury subpoenas that the Government has issued to date (which,in the regular course, would be used as an exhibit before the grand jury);
• The grand jury transcripts of testifying witnesses, especially law enforcement witnesses;
• Police reports, audio and transcripts of 911 calls, and any other records generated by the St. Paul Police Department related to the incident;
• Body-worn camera footage from the St. Paul Police Department;
• Publicly available video footage of the incident; and
• Records received in response to any subpoenas.

For the foregoing reasons, Georgia Fort and Don Lemon respectfully oppose the Government’s Motion for Complex Case Designation and instead suggest that the Government receive a 21-day extension in which to produce discovery on a rolling basis starting on February 24, 2026.






 
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