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So the videos that have been submitted on this thread, you are finally reviewing? Great and thanks. Let me know what you think.
Ushers have been beside doors since I was a wee one. They are there to guide and assist all. but I never encountered a locked door. It would be quite disconcerting to me if I did. IMO
Everyone is welcome to attend a house of worship. My friend told me yesterday she went to a mass, and she is not catholic.
I have watched lots of videos since this occurred. Are you talking about the same ones?So the videos that have been submitted on this thread, you are finally reviewing? Great and thanks. Let me know what you think.
Ushers have been beside doors since I was a wee one. They are there to guide and assist all. but I never encountered a locked door. It would be quite disconcerting to me if I did. IMO
Everyone is welcome to attend a house of worship. My friend told me yesterday she went to a mass, and she is not catholic.
I don't understand your point. Could you elaborate please?But a group of people could enter a mosque, with their cameras/phones held up, asking questions, but totally disrupting and stopping the prayers, stopping worship, and claim they are just covering a story and there is nothing can be done. Right?
NopeOutside of DL, and anyone else claiming to be a journalist, do people agree that the other protester's charges are warranted for intentionally disturbing the church service?
So you believe that it IS ok to enter and disrupt a church service?Nope
This Marie Cooper is posting this everywhere. But lets go straight to the Vatican and what canon law says, not her interpretation.Canon law says that Catholic churches cannot lock their doors during a service.
As Canon 1221 of the Code of Canon Law states: “Entry to a church at the hours of sacred functions is to be open and free of charge.”
So in light of this, closing the doors of a church to the faithful while Mass is being celebrated in that church is straightforwardly against the law.
Hawaii Catholic Herald
I don’t believe it was meant to be disrupted but my bias a definite non-church type and thoughts of victim claiming by members could color.So you believe that it IS ok to enter and disrupt a church service?
I would encourage you to read Overt Act #16 on page 9 of the indictment:I don’t believe it was meant to be disrupted but my bias a definite non-church type and thoughts of victim claiming by members could color.
However my belief in a journalist having rights is more important
<Snipped for focus>Everyone is welcome to attend a house of worship. My friend told me yesterday she went to a mass, and she is not catholic.
Outside of DL, and anyone else claiming to be a journalist, do people agree that the other protester's charges are warranted for intentionally disturbing the church service?
What “mob?” MOO<Snipped for focus>
Everyone is welcome IF their purpose for being there is to worship. Not to stage a protest and interfere with the worship service. The January 18 mob was not welcome at the service.
I don't think anyone, even the protesters, are against reasonable consequences for their disruption.I don’t believe it was meant to be disrupted but my bias a definite non-church type and thoughts of victim claiming by members could color.
However my belief in a journalist having rights is more important
But a group of people could enter a mosque, with their cameras/phones held up, asking questions, but totally disrupting and stopping the prayers, stopping worship, and claim they are just covering a story and there is nothing can be done. Right?
But the protesters didn't go to an ICE facility to protest, they went to a church with completely innocent people inside. Would it be ok to protest the Somali community fraud accusations by occupying Somali mosques and preventing them from worshipping?I don't think anyone, even the protesters, are against reasonable consequences for their disruption.
Sometimes, in protests, people get arrested or get citations. It's okay, as long as they actually are reasonably suspected of breaking a law.
Nobody is against a reasonable response to the protesters.
But the protesters were against the extremely inappropriate response to a 100% legal and not trespassing observer of ICE. She was shot dead just for recording what was going on in her neighborhood.
The protesters may have thought, give me a ticket- just please don't shoot another neighbor of mine.
Then, ICE did shoot another neighbor.
So, sure. Trespass the protesters. But the federal indictments are crazy over-reaction. And as lawyers say, the indictments appear to be no more than an attempt to chill protests and journalism. Protecting worshippers is just window dressing.
MOO
It's in the affadavit. Paragraph 48 where witnesses note that one child told his father that he thought he was going to die and other witnesses describe traumatized children and other congregants as a result of the chants by protesters. Protesters screaming in children's faces telling them their parents were nazi's and they were going to burn in hell, etc., etc.
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Affidavit for Criminal Complaint Against Protestors | PDF | U.S. Immigration And Customs Enforcement | American Government
This affidavit, submitted by Special Agent Timothy Gerber, outlines the investigation into a group of agitators who disrupted a religious service at Cities Church in St. Paul, MN on January 18, 2026. The group, led by Nekima Valdez Levy-Armstrong and Chauntyll Louisa Allen, coordinated their...www.scribd.com
The word "mob" is appropriate. Merriam Webster defines mob as "a large and disorderly crowd of people." It fits.Using the word 'mob' colors the interpretation of what was seen through a person's own lens. Factually it was not considered a mob by definition. It was not a large crowd nor violent. IMO
Outside of DL, and anyone else claiming to be a journalist, do people agree that the other protester's charges are warranted for intentionally disturbing the church service?