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Exactly. Waiting for the link… MOO
I am asking a hypothetical. You know that. If you want to answer, that would be great. If no, just ignore it. I don't see any that seem to want to answer my question <modsnip>
 
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I think it's an important question. If all the defendants named are not held accountable for this, if there is irrefutable evidence, it sends the message that this is what society now accepts. And maybe a mosque will be next? Or a temple, or synagogue?

jmo
Why are mosques or temples or synagogues even part of this conversation? They’re not relevant in the least. MOO
 
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ADMIN NOTE:

This discussion is about the arrest of Don Lemon as a journalist at the protest, so not about the protest itself or other protesters.

We know it can be hard to separate the two at times, but when discussion centers on whether or not the protest was legal or illegal, it is DL's presence as a journalist and his arrest that is the topic, not the protest itself.

Please stay on topic.
 
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I have never seen an armed usher in any church. EVER! Do you have anything to back up this statement?
 
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I think it's an important question. If all the defendants named are not held accountable for this, if there is irrefutable evidence, it sends the message that this is what society now accepts. And maybe a mosque will be next? Or a temple, or synagogue?

jmo

That's where you lose the case, at least as it pertains to DL. I have yet to see "irrefutable evidence" that he was a protestor.

MOO.
 
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I am asking a hypothetical. You know that. If you want to answer, that would be great. If no, just ignore it. I don't see any that seem to want to answer my question <modsnip>

This is a wild misrepresentation. MULTIPLE posters have answered your question.
 
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Why are mosques or temples or synagogues even part of this conversation? They’re not relevant in the least. MOO
They most certainly are relevant, because they're also covered under the same 1A right of religious freedom at a place of religious worship. The #1 charge against the defendants. That they all conspired to deprive others of their protected rights.

If the defendants in this case are not held accountable, that opens the door down the road to any other group or individual that hates this religion or that one, and decides to protest, disrupt, traumatize or worse, during their religious services or gatherings.

Not my idea of a law abiding society.

jmo
 
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I have yet to see "irrefutable evidence" that he was a protestor.

MOO.
Yes, none of us have seen the evidence mentioned in the charging docs. The grand jury did, and here we are.
 
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Yes, none of us have seen the evidence mentioned in the charging docs. The grand jury did, and here we are.

So then we'll wait to see if the ham sandwich gets toasted. My prediction is it won't make it past the deli counter.

MOO.
 
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So then we'll wait to see if the ham sandwich gets toasted. My prediction is it won't make it past the deli counter.

MOO.
I will remind all of us that the guy who made the "ham sandwich" analogy did time in federal prison.

IMO IR
 
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I am asking a hypothetical. You know that. If you want to answer, that would be great. If no, just ignore it. I don't see any that seem to want to answer my question <modsnip>
Okay, with all due respect, what exactly IS your question?

And this thread should be based on facts, not hypotheticals.
 
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I will remind all of us that the guy who made the "ham sandwich" analogy did time in federal prison.

IMO IR
Okay, I don’t remember because I haven’t been here very long. What “ham sandwich” analogy are you referring to?
 
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Okay, I don’t remember because I haven’t been here very long. What “ham sandwich” analogy are you referring to?
It was cited in the post. There is a saying that a grand jury "will indict a ham sandwich." This is a link to the guy who said it. Sol Wachtler - Wikipedia
 
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Yes, none of us have seen the evidence mentioned in the charging docs. The grand jury did, and here we are.
That is in dispute.

Lemon and Fort's attorneys have credibly accused the prosecutors of misleading the Grand Jury.

There is no evidence the GJ saw any more than the charging doc and supporting affidavit. And those documents are packed with hearsay, and unsupported by available evidence, such as the videos.

Those are the same items presented to two judges, who refused to allow arrests of the journalists given the information that failed to demonstrate probable cause.

MOO
 
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So then we'll wait to see if the ham sandwich gets toasted. My prediction is it won't make it past the deli counter.

MOO.
Sorry, I have no idea what any of that means.
 
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