MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[turaj]

I agree i would imagine if you fired the gun accidentally it would be with one shot, and would probably give the person a bit of a shock, but how could you fire it repeatedly accidentally?
I suppose they will tell us next his finger got stuck on the trigger.

well he and his attorney sure have enough time to work up a story...don't they?

 

[PrairieWind]

Fair enough. Do you think they will be released to the public, is that something they are required to do?

It depends upon the state, but usually search warrants are available fairly quickly after the search. If public radio obtained them, then they have been made public.

 

[Karinna]

well he and his attorney sure have enough time to work up a story...don't they?

Yeah and most won't be buying what they will be trying to sell.

 

[Karinna]

It depends upon the state, but usually search warrants are available fairly quickly after the search. If public radio obtained them, then they have been made public.

Thankyou for clarifying. I guess we will have to see if they will be released soon.

 

[PrairieWind]

I havent been able to look at the search warrants yet but I think some are maybe getting the wrong impression from them. You have to understand what is going on inside the context of WHEN it is happening. After the shooting, certainly MPD supervisors would have quickly arrived and would have asked what happened. I assume Noor and Harrity gave some indication what happened. This is probably where Harrity's statement that he was "stunned" came from. Perhaps Noor says something about her acting erratic or out of control and "on drugs" or something. Because its a police shooting, MBCA arrives to investigate, they are not MPD. If Noor did say something like that, they need to investigate it, they'd be irresponsible not too. Despite the law professor's statement, Noor's statement (if he made it) would provide the probably cause to get a warrant. MBCA would want to see if any drugs are found in her home. They need a warrant because there is no one to give them access to the house without it. They need a warrant to look in her phone. This is not victim blaming or cover up, its investigating all possible avenues. I wouldn't be surprised if MBCA never expected to find any drugs, but since Noor perhaps indicated drug use, they need to follow up. That they removed nothing from the house allegedly supports the idea that they found nothing. Not only does this not help Noor, or cause and "international incident" it helps clear up some things and helps to clear the victim.

 

[CoolJ]

I havent been able to look at the search warrants yet but I think some are maybe getting the wrong impression from them. You have to understand what is going on inside the context of WHEN it is happening. After the shooting, certainly MPD supervisors would have quickly arrived and would have asked what happened. I assume Noor and Harrity gave some indication what happened. This is probably where Harrity's statement that he was "stunned" came from. Perhaps Noor says something about her acting erratic or out of control and "on drugs" or something. Because its a police shooting, MBCA arrives to investigate, they are not MPD. If Noor did say something like that, they need to investigate it, they'd be irresponsible not too. Despite the law professor's statement, Noor's statement (if he made it) would provide the probably cause to get a warrant. MBCA would want to see if any drugs are found in her home. They need a warrant because there is no one to give them access to the house without it. They need a warrant to look in her phone. This is not victim blaming or cover up, its investigating all possible avenues. I wouldn't be surprised if MBCA never expected to find any drugs, but since Noor perhaps indicated drug use, they need to follow up. That they removed nothing from the house allegedly supports the idea that they found nothing. Not only does this not help Noor, or cause and "international incident" it helps clear up some things and helps to clear the victim.

I disagree.
When the BCA says that they know "a woman" slapped the squad car but pretend in the same breath that they don't know how Justine "became deceased" it wreaks of cover up.
How can they confirm the slap on the car but play dumb about how she "became deceased"? They were brought in to investigate a homicide, not to investigate the victim of the homicide. It is absolutely unacceptable. JMO

 

[turaj]

Yeah and most won't be buying what they will be trying to sell.

don't be so sure...you can never second guess a jury...much depends on the makeup of the jury...I don't think his story will be enough for Atty Freeman not to bring charges...a jury could buy his story...has happened many times before.

 

[Elley Mae]

Minneapolis officials say they'll require police officers to turn on their body cameras when responding to all calls and whenever they initiate traffic stops or take other actions.

Acting Police Chief Medaria Arradondo (meh-DAIR'-ee-uh air-ah-DON'-do) told reporters Wednesday that the change will take effect Saturday.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-minneapolis-expands-required-body-cameras-48861639

 

[Karinna]

don't be so sure...you can never second guess a jury...much depends on the makeup of the jury...I don't think his story will be enough for Atty Freeman not to bring charges...a jury could buy his story...has happened many times before.

I was actually talking about the general public. I know in these types of police shootings juries are very apprehensive to convict LE from what i have read.

 

[turaj]

I havent been able to look at the search warrants yet but I think some are maybe getting the wrong impression from them. You have to understand what is going on inside the context of WHEN it is happening. After the shooting, certainly MPD supervisors would have quickly arrived and would have asked what happened. I assume Noor and Harrity gave some indication what happened. This is probably where Harrity's statement that he was "stunned" came from. Perhaps Noor says something about her acting erratic or out of control and "on drugs" or something. Because its a police shooting, MBCA arrives to investigate, they are not MPD. If Noor did say something like that, they need to investigate it, they'd be irresponsible not too. Despite the law professor's statement, Noor's statement (if he made it) would provide the probably cause to get a warrant. MBCA would want to see if any drugs are found in her home. They need a warrant because there is no one to give them access to the house without it. They need a warrant to look in her phone. This is not victim blaming or cover up, its investigating all possible avenues. I wouldn't be surprised if MBCA never expected to find any drugs, but since Noor perhaps indicated drug use, they need to follow up. That they removed nothing from the house allegedly supports the idea that they found nothing. Not only does this not help Noor, or cause and "international incident" it helps clear up some things and helps to clear the victim.

very much appreciate your perspective and that explanation is no doubt right in all respects. The outrage at the search warrant is simply unfounded...people are doing their job. I don't think Noor ever said he did not shoot her...he was starting the story for why he did...and some elements may be true about being startled etc. but his story is not going to avoid being charged unless there is something we are completely in the dark on.

 

[Karinna]

I havent been able to look at the search warrants yet but I think some are maybe getting the wrong impression from them. You have to understand what is going on inside the context of WHEN it is happening. After the shooting, certainly MPD supervisors would have quickly arrived and would have asked what happened. I assume Noor and Harrity gave some indication what happened. This is probably where Harrity's statement that he was "stunned" came from. Perhaps Noor says something about her acting erratic or out of control and "on drugs" or something. Because its a police shooting, MBCA arrives to investigate, they are not MPD. If Noor did say something like that, they need to investigate it, they'd be irresponsible not too. Despite the law professor's statement, Noor's statement (if he made it) would provide the probably cause to get a warrant. MBCA would want to see if any drugs are found in her home. They need a warrant because there is no one to give them access to the house without it. They need a warrant to look in her phone. This is not victim blaming or cover up, its investigating all possible avenues. I wouldn't be surprised if MBCA never expected to find any drugs, but since Noor perhaps indicated drug use, they need to follow up. That they removed nothing from the house allegedly supports the idea that they found nothing. Not only does this not help Noor, or cause and "international incident" it helps clear up some things and helps to clear the victim.

I suppose they are covering all bases if/when this goes to Trial then, just in case the defense for Noor tries to bring something in that hasn't been looked at or verified that might cause reasonable doubt of the victim, and if she was in any way to blame, as defense attorneys will do in criminal cases. Try to cause reasonable doubt that is.

 

[turaj]

Minneapolis officials say they'll require police officers to turn on their body cameras when responding to all calls and whenever they initiate traffic stops or take other actions.

Acting Police Chief Medaria Arradondo (meh-DAIR'-ee-uh air-ah-DON'-do) told reporters Wednesday that the change will take effect Saturday.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-minneapolis-expands-required-body-cameras-48861639

one thing that will help Noor in this case is the fact they did not violate any rules on the body cam...at first that was the outrage until this crazy info came out they did not even need to turn them on despite they claim the imminent danger of an ambush???

 

[turaj]

I was actually talking about the general public. I know in these types of police shootings juries are very apprehensive to convict LE from what i have read.

right the public will not buy it!! And if he walks there will be outrage...again based on current info.

 

[Karinna]

right the public will not buy it!! And if he walks there will be outrage...again based on current info.

Yes, most commentary i have read on some of the MSM sites are outraged that such a beautiful innocent lady was killed on a whim by a cop when all she did was try to help someone she thought was in distress. It really is terrible IMO.

 

[PrairieWind]

I disagree.
When the BCA says that they know "a woman" slapped the squad car but pretend in the same breath that they don't know how Justine "became deceased" it wreaks of cover up.
How can they confirm the slap on the car but play dumb about how she "became deceased"? They were brought in to investigate a homicide, not to investigate the victim of the homicide. It is absolutely unacceptable. JMO

This is why we need to see that actual search warrants and application for warrants. Many of the media stories are making a lot of this "became deceased" comment and just leaving it at that. But one report said the application did mention it was an apparent gunshot would and officer shooting. We need to see what it said and WHEN it was written. In making an application for a warrant, the officer/agent must put facts as he knows them, and at the time it maybe wasn't clear exactly what had happened. It is odd wording, i agree, but again, the media's reporting of selective portions is adding to the confusion and discontent and people need to consider that when reading them.

 

[CoolJ]

This is why we need to see that actual search warrants and application for warrants. Many of the media stories are making a lot of this "became deceased" comment and just leaving it at that. But one report said the application did mention it was an apparent gunshot would and officer shooting. We need to see what it said and WHEN it was written. In making an application for a warrant, the officer/agent must put facts as he knows them, and at the time it maybe wasn't clear exactly what had happened. It is odd wording, i agree, but again, the media's reporting of selective portions is adding to the confusion and discontent and people need to consider that when reading them.

Then why are you making an analysis and disagreeing with the law professor before seeing the "actual search warrants?

Regardless, it is wrong. They are saying: lets check out this girl to see if we can find a reason why she deserved to be murdered. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think this is an accidental shooting as in an accidental discharge of his firearm that resulted in him accidentally striking the victim. He intended to shoot and that is what he did. Now of course as many of us know all too well the defense will spin WHY it happened, and Noor will say when she slammed her hand down on the back of their vehicle, and when she appeared at the window suddenly he believed they were being ambushed at the time. Imo, he will still be charged with negligent homicide or even voluntary manslaughter since his actions alone caused her death.

I am glad to see that some are not lumping all police officers into the small minority of police officers who are guilty of unjustifiable shootings. We have over 1.2 million officers in our nation in federal, state, and local police agencies. Very few out of that 1.2 million commits an unjustifiable shooting. Most of them never even have cause to pull their firearm during their long careers much less fire it and kill someone. So I think it behooves everyone to be mindful of that because when things like this happens so can sweeping generalizations about all police officers in general as if most all are bad when the facts just does not support it. It is the opposite actually and most are honorable men and women from communities all across our country who really wants to protect and serve and do so with honor year after year. Imo, it is the sweeping generalizations against all police officers that has made many innocent officers targets to be murdered just because of the uniform they wear.

Another thing I see that is very misleading is someone will invariably put up the link showing police officers are not in a dangerous profession by showing only those who have been murdered in the line of duty. If someone can show me a link where any other profession on our own soil is attacked and assaulted over 50K per year per the FBI then I will concur that other professions are as dangerous as what our police officers have to go through. Sure loggers and over the road truck drivers are killed more often each year, but those are due to accidental deaths, and not by being ambushed or purposefully killed during a confrontation. Nor are they assaulted and attacked with them left on life support or who have received life long injuries during the line of duty from those assaults. The murders, the assaults, the attacks against them are not accidents but done purposefully with intent to harm. The assaults/attacks on our police officers are conveniently overlooked, and only those who are killed are only considered when it goes much deeper than that concerning how dangerous their jobs really are. I read that 9 out of every 100 officers will be in some kind of physical altercation with a criminal during an arrest.

It infuriates me to no end when a few bad cops make all the other good cops look bad but they are tainted even though they are honorable good decent men and women.

Then I see many who say if a police officer who has fear of the unknown then he/she shouldn't become a police officer as if police officers have to become some kind super human beings, and not possess the same emotions or instincts all other human beings possess.

I have seen both high ranking law enforcement officials and high ranking military officers say many times 'any person without fear will be a dead one, and can cause others to die', Of course those in LE should have the fear instinct, and do for after all they are just like all of us. They aren't unemotional robots. I have no doubt whatsoever at times their hearts were in their throat wondering if this would be their last day on earth. Being able to have fear and being on heightened awareness very often saves their lives just like other human beings have felt when they had fear of something and it prevented them from being hurt.

And of course some believe when anyone becomes a police officer they give up all of their constitutional rights. Why others think this is puzzling. Everyone in America who is legally here all has the same constitutional rights. Even though I wish that Noor would come forward, and be more cooperative with the investigation I do know, right or wrong, he has a right to remain silent.

This is a case that shouldn't have ever happened. My heart breaks for Justine and her loved ones and may justice be served.

 

[PrairieWind]

Then why are you making an analysis and disagreeing with the law professor before seeing the "actual search warrants?

Regardless, it is wrong. They are saying: lets check out this girl to see if we can find a reason why she deserved to be murdered. JMO

EVERYONE is making an analysis without seeing the warrants. I am just speculating for sure, but if the MBCA doesn't look into what Noor maybe said, its a potential bonanza for Noor's defense.

 

[CoolJ]

EVERYONE is making an analysis without seeing the warrants. I am just speculating for sure, but if the MBCA doesn't look into what Noor maybe said, its a potential bonanza for Noor's defense.

The law professor wasn't "making an analysis without seeing the warrants". Why are you disagreeing with him?

"When I read that search warrant, I really cannot find probable cause to search her home," he continued.

http://kstp.com/news/bca-search-warrant-justine-damond-australia/4552551/

 

[CoolJ]

EVERYONE is making an analysis without seeing the warrants. I am just speculating for sure, but if the MBCA doesn't look into what Noor maybe said, its a potential bonanza for Noor's defense.

The reports are that Noor hasn't said anything.