MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #3

[SouthAussie]

We are being told that the presumptive sentence is 17 years (12 years and 5 years).

 

[wary]

We are being told that the presumptive sentence is 17 years (12 years and 5 years).

I’m a little confused. How can he be convicted of both crimes?

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m a little confused. How can he be convicted of both crimes?

My guess (and it is only a guess) is that one charge is about the murder, the other charge is about the risk and negligence. He is guilty of the murder, and the risk and the negligence.


Minnesota's third-degree murder charge means causing the death of another through a dangerous act "without regard for human life but without intent to cause" death.

Second-degree manslaughter is defined as creating unreasonable risk of causing death or great bodily harm to another through culpable negligence.

Police officer who shot Justine Damond Ruszczyk dead found guilty of murder

 

[Wagtales10]

Woah! A Police officer finally found guilty for shooting an unarmed....
oh nvm I see why he was found guilty

 

[PrairieWind]

Woah! A Police officer finally found guilty for shooting an unarmed....
oh nvm I see why he was found guilty

Because he shot an innocent person without even bothering to see who it was before pulling the trigger.

 

[Wagtales10]

Because he shot an innocent person without even bothering to see who it was before pulling the trigger.

Seen that story time after time after time, but they never get fair judgments.
Except for this one. What's different? hmm

 

[SouthAussie]

Seen that story time after time after time, but they never get fair judgments.
Except for this one. What's different? hmm

Have you seen any cases of an innocent person calling for police assistance then being murdered by an attending police officer before the innocent person has even had a chance to fully describe her reason for calling?

 

[Rocco]

Seen that story time after time after time, but they never get fair judgments.
Except for this one. What's different? hmm

What other case has an officer shot someone before they had any interaction with them? I don't know of any.

 

[turaj]

Have you seen any cases of an innocent person calling for police assistance then being murdered by an attending police officer before the innocent person has even had a chance to fully describe her reason for calling?

Yes I have seen it...people call 911 about a family member in trouble and that family member is shot dead. Two cases of that have happened here in the Minneapolis area. Believe it or not it can and does happen. Justine's case is particularly bad given she was the caller and the victim.

 

[Rocco]

Yes I have seen it...people call 911 about a family member in trouble and that family member is shot dead. Two cases of that have happened here in the Minneapolis area. Believe it or not it can and does happen. Justine's case is particularly bad given she was the caller and the victim.

Sometimes people call 911 about family members who are in trouble and the family member becomes hostile, threatening, and aggressive towards the police when they arrive. There is a hostile interaction and they get shot. That's not at all what happened here.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes I have seen it...people call 911 about a family member in trouble and that family member is shot dead. Two cases of that have happened here in the Minneapolis area. Believe it or not it can and does happen. Justine's case is particularly bad given she was the caller and the victim.

We have seen troubled people - on a drug or mental illness rampage - be killed by a police officer, too, after their family has called for assistance.
This is not the same scenario at all.

I think if Justine made any error of judgement in her approach that night, it was that she trusted that she could approach a helpful police officer without being shot and killed. In Australia, we can still approach our police officers without them getting twitchy and nervous.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

it is about time that police are held accountable.

I fully agree. I didn't think this was going to be the outcome. It rarely happens. It doesn't bring her back, but I hope it brings her family and loved ones some sense of justice.

 

[turaj]

We have seen troubled family members be killed by a police officer, too, after the family has called for assistance.
This is not the same scenario at all.

I think if Justine made any error of judgement in her approach that night, it was that she trusted that she could approach a helpful police officer without being shot and killed. In Australia, we can still approach our police officers without them getting twitchy and nervous.

I agree that this is not the same....however again it goes to training...de=escalation needs to be stressed...mental health calls need to be handled so carefully and I think based on history people are really hesitant to call 911. I have been told in no uncertain terms to get back into my home when police were called by a neighbor and not knowing what was happening I went out...boy never again. The advice is STAY INSIDE and that goes for the caller. They know where you are and can find you. Did Justine make a fatal error going out that night...sure...but again no reason that it should have resulted in her death.

 

[turaj]

I fully agree. I didn't think this was going to be the outcome. It rarely happens. It doesn't bring her back, but I hope it brings her family and loved ones some sense of justice.

It certainly has not put the US or Mn. in a good light and our gun culture is being discussed in many places in the world.

 

[Rocco]

Following the verdict, John Ruszczyk said he was "satisfied" with the verdict in the Noor trial, but was critical of police, saying the conviction happened "despite the active resistance of a number of Minneapolis officers."

Minneapolis city committee to receive briefing on Rusczyzk family's civil lawsuit

Time to clean up that PD

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It certainly has not put the US or Mn. in a good light and our gun culture is being discussed in many places in the world.

The police officer had a gun and shot her.

She was unarmed and in a very low crime neighborhood.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and they are at the top of every list for gun crimes.

However, this thread isn't about gun control so I'm going to leave it at that.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Paul Blume‏Verified account @PaulBlume_FOX9

Just into @FOX9 newsroom. Today's booking photos of Mohamed Noor. The former #Mpls police officer convicted today on counts of 3nd degree Murder & 2nd degree Manslaughter. Noor was immediately taken into custody. Sentencing June 7th. #NoorTrial #JustineDamond #JustineRuszczyk

 

[turaj]

Following the verdict, John Ruszczyk said he was "satisfied" with the verdict in the Noor trial, but was critical of police, saying the conviction happened "despite the active resistance of a number of Minneapolis officers."

Minneapolis city committee to receive briefing on Rusczyzk family's civil lawsuit

Time to clean up that PD

He has an eye to his civil case...I don't think it is about the money...he wants to get Noor from every way possible. I don't think an appeal will get far...this seemed like a well tried case and jury had no issues. I am with the family ...go after him again in the civil case. That case should really be bad for the police department, city of Minneaplis and the Union that tried to make this case disappear.

 

[lonetraveler]

Oh wow. Had unexpected company arrive just as I heard there was an administrative issue with a juror and figured that the deliberation would continue tomorrow with an alternate. Overheard on the national news with Lester Holt that the verdict was 3rd degree murder, and manslaughter. I was so surprised and so eager to get on line as soon as the company left to see for myself. Great. Finally justice. Didn't expect this really.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Verified account 2h2 hours ago
Paul Blume Retweeted Paul Blume

Rushed out of court. Judge clerk read the times for jury reaching #NoorTrial verdicts today:
Manslaughter-2 GUILTY @ 1:45pm.
Murder-2 NOT GUILTY @ 2:38pm.
Murder-3 GUILTY @ 3:24PM.