MN- Minneapolis, mass shooting at church, multiple fatalities, possible explosive device found. Aug 2025

  • #181
I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but shouldn't the shooter be referred to has "she" since the name and gender identify was changed legally some time ago?

i guess she is now in the category of young white trans female mass shooters rather than young white male shooters category we typically hear about in most news reports.

jmo

 
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  • #182
From reading about this killer, they may be the most seriously mentally ill person we’ve encountered yet to do something like this.
How does no one notice?
Why is nothing done?
 
  • #183
Was this an anti LGBTQ crime? No. Lets not deflect from the victims today.
The person I quoted asked for the statistics so I provided them. It has nothing to do with taking attention away from the victims. ALL crimes that end a life over hatred are horrendous
 
  • #184
i wonder if those living with westman were aware of the guns and ammo purchased.

jmo
 
  • #185
From reading about this killer, they may be the most seriously mentally ill person we’ve encountered yet to do something like this.
How does no one notice?
Why is nothing done?

She was 23, a legal adult. As far as I know, there is no mechanism that would have forced her to get help, even if other people noticed.
 
  • #186
From reading about this killer, they may be the most seriously mentally ill person we’ve encountered yet to do something like this.
How does no one notice?
Why is nothing done?
If you're truly interested in why I created a detailed reply within the past couple pages of this post regarding what the studies and data shows the issues are (it is uncomfortable information but digestible info and not full of numbers).
 
  • #187
If you're truly interested in why I created a detailed reply within the past couple pages of this post regarding what the studies and data shows the issues are (it is uncomfortable information but digestible info and not full of numbers).

Appreciate your thoughts.
I was more focused in what I was talking about.
 
  • #188
From reading about this killer, they may be the most seriously mentally ill person we’ve encountered yet to do something like this.
How does no one notice?
Why is nothing done?
Their family may have done everything they could, for naught.

We can't just lock people up on another person's say-so, much as we sometimes wish we could. It doesn't work that way any more.
 
  • #189
Appreciate your thoughts.
I was more focused in what I was talking about.

Their family may have done everything they could, for naught.

We can't just lock people up on another person's say-so, much as we sometimes wish we could. It doesn't work that way any more.
Agree. I read the entire manifesto and they praise their parents and the fact that they tried to instill them with love and empathy.
 
  • #190
i wonder if those living with westman were aware of the guns and ammo purchased.

jmo
Maybe they were, but the firearms were purchased legally. Maybe the people living with her thought nothing of her purchasing the guns?
 
  • #191
Their family may have done everything they could, for naught.

We can't just lock people up on another person's say-so, much as we sometimes wish we could. It doesn't work that way any more.


makes me wonder if there was any psychiatric treatment for depression.

jmo

eta; uhhmmm but aren't there some kind of rules regarding mental health and gun ownership. oh heck... i don't know what the rules are. i suppose there's something more than just being treated for depression.
 
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  • #192
Maybe they were, but the firearms were purchased legally. Maybe the people living with her thought nothing of her purchasing the guns?

true. maybe they were pro-gun owners and supported it.

jmo
 
  • #193
Their family may have done everything they could, for naught.

We can't just lock people up on another person's say-so, much as we sometimes wish we could. It doesn't work that way any more.

Nobody wants people locked up on someone else’s say-so. That’s not what I was suggesting, but maybe some people do need to be institutionalized because they are so severely mentally ill that they pose a threat to, not just themselves, but to the rest of us.
Nobody wants to go back to medieval style treatment, but something needs to change. Families have no allies and no help.
 
  • #194
How absolutely awful to write all these words praising your mother's parenting, hard work, love, and effort in your life and then decide to try and commit a mass murder at your mom's JOB.

It’s just a big passive-aggressive F-U from someone who didn’t have the guts to say what they really wanted to their faces. (Based on some reading of their ‘Russian’ journal’, where there were many complaints about Mom.)
 
  • #195
Live on the local news CBS/WCCO --

An 11 year old survivor walked up to the news crew and said boldly, I have something to say.

With his grandfather's blessing, the news interviewed him. He talked about the fear. And bravery. A classmate five on top of him to protect him. That classmate was shot in the back. The young man said he's paying for him and all the victims in the hospital. Such courage.


JMO
 
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  • #196
i guess she is now in the category of young white trans female mass shooters rather than young white male shooters category we typically hear about in most news reports.

jmo

Thanks for the link, @fred&edna .
I do have an issue with the mayor of Mpls. seemingly defending his(the shooter's) community and by default, the shooter.
Anger and intolerance from anyone towards anyone else isn't right, but the mayor may not have correct knowledge and it's also too soon and it's not a good look .
So far there's been little or nothing in the media to indicate the perp was being mistreated by anyone.

More like he had severe mental issues; that his family may have tried to be supportive and get help for him ?
Or no real mental issues and was an injustice collector and was of an evil mindset from very early on ?
Sometimes people can claim mental issues when they're suffering from narcissism and rage over what they felt was injustice towards themselves.

We don't even know the names of the two students who were murdered and yet the mayor and prob. others are jumping to his defense (by default, but still) ?

My condolences to the families of the victims as it must be difficult to see the support for the perp.
Since the perp is deceased there's not a need for punishment or justice, but rather to ensure schools and places of worship aren't sitting ducks.
Perps rarely commit a mass shooting at banks, airports, and police stations as these places often have armed security.

There is nothing wrong with making sure our students are protected by armed security as well.
If it saves even one life, that is enough.

It sounds like the perp fired from outside of the school from a glass window. But that he died inside the building ?
Did he climb through the window after it was shot out ?

Was there already a security officer at the school --but maybe wasn't in the auditorium where they were having Mass ?
Still quite a few questions.
Imo.
 
  • #197
The Archdiocese of St. Paul-Minneapolis will be holding a vigil tonight at 7 pm CST, live streamed on the local news, available across many streaming platforms.


 
  • #198
How on earth was anyone allowed to by so many military styles of guns? Those aren't for hunting animal! Those are for hunting people! Something has got to change and I say it starts with our government and their beloved gun lobbyists!
And what did his parents think they were for?
 
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  • #199
It’s just a big passive-aggressive F-U from someone who didn’t have the guts to say what they really wanted to their faces. (Based on some reading of their ‘Russian’ journal’, where there were many complaints about Mom.)
The more I am learning, the more disgusted I am. This person is trying to blame depression for their sick actions, but they were not just depresssed, they are filled with hate for so many groups of people. All those words written on the guns and ammunition. The reference to the slaughter of 6 million Jewish people.. the glorifying of other mass killers. This person was just an evil, twisted person filled with hate for others. I'm sure they expected to be accepted for their choices and yet they had so much hate and no tolerance for others who are different from them.

IMO this was 100% a hate crime and the more I think about it that poor me sympathy letter is disgusting.
 
  • #200
It’s just a big passive-aggressive F-U from someone who didn’t have the guts to say what they really wanted to their faces. (Based on some reading of their ‘Russian’ journal’, where there were many complaints about Mom.)
I'm curious, do you know what kinds of things about the mother that the shooter complained about?
 

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