MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

  • #381
My opinion, this is an important point. It isn't the right of a person to interfere with Federal authorities who are engaged in legal operations in the United States. To attempt to obstruct is dangerous, and to arm up and do so is insanity.

Those who perpetuate the idea that it's ok to do so are contributing to the madness. My opinion.
People have the right to peacefully protest. The woman that was thrown to the ground was not at fault. They are the ones that started it. Then they murdered a man who was trying to help.

IMO
 
  • #382
If it was about immigration ICE/CBP would be in Texas right now

They are operating in Texas and many other places that don't get the attention that Minneapolis is getting. This article says state and local authorities are assisting ICE in Texas, so I think it's possible they aren't getting attention there because ICE is able to operate, make arrests, and move on.

IMO
 
  • #383
the most dangerous weapon Alex Pretti had was a camera and THAT, not his legally owned concealed holstered firearm, is what got him killed MOO JMO IMO
 
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  • #384

They are operating in Texas and many other places that don't get the attention that Minneapolis is getting. This article says state and local authorities are assisting ICE in Texas, so I think it's possible they aren't getting attention there because ICE is able to operate, make arrests, and move on.

IMO
because those on the border are there to control the border. Those in MN are there based on a completely different agenda. JMO
 
  • #385
ICE has been in Portland, Oregon for months and months. They are masked, unnamed, armed. They stalk kids at school, they racially profile citizens driving in their cars or at their jobs. They attack, they harass, they kidnap. Their only purpose is chaos and fear. We've been protesting them for as long as they've been here, day after day. ICE violence escalates in Portland, but the movement to evict agents from the city grows

“This is Oregon. We do not need you. You’re not welcome. And you need to get the hell out of our community,” said Oregon State Senator Casey Jama, himself a former refugee from Somalia, at a press conference just hours after the shooting.

Within hours, organizations called for demonstrations. Labor unions and immigrant rights groups held a candlelight vigil in front of city hall, across a park from the Justice Center that had acted as the center of the city’s 2020 protest wave.

“It is infuriating that this administration thinks that they can send their armed goons into our community to spill blood and expect no accountability,” said City Councilor Candace Avalos, whose district is home to the largest number of immigrants and refugees in the City of Portland.
 
  • #386
Wait, do I read this well? You say the victim is to be blamed for the gross incompetence and blatant disregard of the procedures displayed in this scenario by the agents?
Hmmm.

MOO
"In the aftermath Doar says he would recommend concealed carry permit holders in Minneapolis think carefully about the situations they take their gun into."

I totally agree with Doar.

 
  • #387
If there's a charge of murder in this incident I'd be grateful to see definitive evidence of said charge.

If the decedent's firearm was holstered I'd be grateful to see definitive evidence therof.

My opinion is that there is much subjective speculation relative to this incident but at this juncture little factual evidence exists of what truly occurred in the tussell seen in the vids.
A 'tussle'?
 
  • #388
"In the aftermath Doar says he would recommend concealed carry permit holders in Minneapolis think carefully about the situations they take their gun into."

I totally agree with Doar.

So that Constitutional right of all Americans should just be considered suspended during certain times/in certain places, and you're ok with that.
 
  • #389
because those on the border are there to control the border. Those in MN are there based on a completely different agenda. JMO

The article I posted mentions Dallas and Houston and large operations there with support from state and local LE. Those places are not on the border. Houston and Dallas are both more than 5 hours from the border. It seems the locations where local LE are able to assist things are calmer and they conduct their operations and move on.


The most high-profile operations are street raids, where ICE agents, often accompanied by state troopers and local police, target a particular area or business and arrest groups of undocumented immigrants.

Some of the biggest raids have taken place in and around Houston: In May, ICE said it deported more than 500 people and arrested more than 400 suspected undocumented immigrants in and around the city in roughly one week. In October, ICE carried out another massive operation in Houston over the course of 10 days, in which they said they arrested more than 1,500 undocumented immigrants.
 
  • #390
"In the aftermath Doar says he would recommend concealed carry permit holders in Minneapolis think carefully about the situations they take their gun into."

I totally agree with Doar.

The quote after the one you pulled is the more important quote from that article IMO. “Gun owners may now have to worry about being shot for exercising their 2nd amendment rights” You don’t see ANY problems with the fact that US citizens are being shot by federal agents for exercising their constitutional rights? That everyone should just give up their rights because the government may shoot them as they walk down the street? And we are supposed to be a free democratic country?? Hmmm. All MOO
 

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  • #391
"Dog and pony show" is a colloquial term that has come to mean a highly promoted, often over-staged performance, presentation, or event designed to sway or convince opinion for political, or less often, commercial ends.

MOO the issue here is that there is a difference of opinion on exactly WHO is putting on a dog and pony show in MN.
 
  • #392
How do you explain away two ICE agents emptying their clips into a man lying motionless on the ground? It's all on video.
And I expect that when the autopsy report comes out about Alex’s death, every single one of those shots will in his back. His hands were flat on the ground as he was being shot and officers had him pressed down to the ground when they started shooting him.
 
  • #393
I think that one of the most disturbing parts of the videos is that, after he was shot several times, ICE agents start playing with the body - rifling through his pockets, shoving him around, looking like pick pockets.
What exactly were they doing?? We're they planting evidence? I can't come up with a reason why they did that....
 
  • #394
"In the aftermath Doar says he would recommend concealed carry permit holders in Minneapolis think carefully about the situations they take their gun into."

I totally agree with Doar.

You did not answer my question.

Shooting at already immobilized person because you saw a glimpse of gun in a melee including a number of your armed fellow officers is against procedures. Same with shooting at said person because someone yelled "Gun". So if that was what, as you suggested, the scenario, the agents displayed gross incompetence. How is Alex to blame for that?

As for thinking about the situations...The agents were unaware Alex had a gun till they searched him. They shot him after they immobilized him, pepper sprayed him, beat him AND took his gun away. Clearly the problem is not in Alex carrying a (holstered) gun. The problem is in a gross abuse of power by the federal agents

MOO.
 
  • #395
Why did the agents jump Alex in the first place?

They shoved the women and then tackled Alex. Why?

The agents had to walk down the street to attack the people filming them? The agents went out of their way to do that. Why?

jmo
ICE was also punching car windows out, according to a witness.
 
  • #396
What exactly were they doing?? We're they planting evidence? I can't come up with a reason why they did that....
removing evidence IMO
 
  • #397
You did not answer my question.

Shooting at already immobilized person because you saw a glimpse of gun in a melee including a number of your armed fellow officers is against procedures. Same with shooting at said person because someone yelled "Gun". So if that was what, as you suggested, the scenario, the agents displayed gross incompetence. How is Alex to blame for that?

As for thinking about the situations...The agents were unaware Alex had a gun till they searched him. They shot him after they immobilized him, pepper sprayed him, beat him AND took his gun away. Clearly the problem is not in Alex carrying a (holstered) gun. The problem is in a gross abuse of power by the federal agents

MOO.
This this this. Sums it up exactly. None of those agents had any idea he had a gun on him until he was already pinned to the ground (and unable to even reach for his gun - he never made any attempt or motion to grab it in any videos I’ve seen) Nothing about that situation was ever Alex’s fault and he broke zero laws. In fact, I’d say he was actually a hero for coming to the 2 women’s rescue who had been pushed over by ICE. And it led to him being murdered in broad daylight by federal agents who grossly overused their power. All MOO.
 
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“You just killed someone,” an older man in a grey hat shouted. “How can you just stand there? You’re not here to protect us. You’re killing us.”
[snip]
Every day masked ICE agents, often armed with pistols or assault rifles and dressed in civilian clothing, are grabbing people from the street — outside schools, from cars and bus stops — and bundling them into unmarked cars. US citizens, including Native Americans who say they’ve been mistaken for Latinos, have been picked up by ICE. A police chief of the Minneapolis suburb, Brooklyn Park, said that off-duty police officers had been targeted. None of them were white.
[snip]
Yet many voters, including Republicans, flinch at the tactics the administration is using to round up immigrants for deportation. A New York Times/Siena poll this month showed that 61 per cent of respondents believed ICE tactics had “gone too far”.
https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-to...iMRUZc_Liw_CQQTKphRM4PMN8Sg18u002qB_GgFdguQ==
 
  • #400
Unfortunately I dont think this will matter at all, there was plenty of time for those involved to have already destroyed evidence, and as we have seen for ourselves more then once this month, they dont follow rules if any kind, and especially not actual LE protocols, so I very much doubt there was any proper processing and securing of evidence happening at all.
More likely someone scooped up anything incriminating (apparently that included actual witnesses!) and walked away.
No documenting, no anything even slightly resembling correct procedure 🙁
MOO!
True, but it needs to be on record that the State is attempting to work according to procedures and law and the Feds have willifully and knowingly obstructed. It all needs to be recorded in black and white, through proper channels.

Documentation matters. imo

jmopinion
 

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