MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

  • #641
I don't see any coercion in the letter, just our AG addressing issues related to fraud in Minnesota along with illegal immigrants and their removal according to U.S. law.
You don’t see the ‘give the feds what they want and we will go away’ tactic?
The AG is conflating issues IMO to ramp up the anti immigrant rhetoric, legal and illegal.
Removal according to us law, except that’s not what’s happening at all, people are being taken without due process.

It’s very reminiscent of the 1930s, people didn’t want to see what was happening right in front of them, that is until they were also targeted. If we fail to learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.

The long term damage and destruction to democracy and to US citizens is going to leave loads of psychological issues all round.
 
  • #642
Protestors do not have the right to trash peoples homes & yards & cause such a massive disturbance. Are they going to pay for the damage? No, of course not. That comes out of my hard earned money I actually work for. ICE has every right to be here. Like I said, people are not understanding how many ILLEGAL CRIMINALS are actually here! Especially the people who are not even a resident here! It's been an ongoing serious problem, people have been concerned about safety here for years, not to mention the fraudsters who started taking advantage of the pandemic funds.
How many illegal immigrants are in Minnesota? What percentage of the population are they?

Isn’t Minnesota ranked in the top 10 safest states of the USA? Concerns about safety can often be perceived safety risks, rather than demonstrated ones, and quite often they re shaped by public anxiety around immigration, fear of others.

 
  • #643
IMO If you’re in public recording from a safe distance, fine. If you are closing distance, refusing to move back, stepping into agents, blocking , surrounding, etc. you are not observing , you are interfering and you are going to get treated like a threat. The conceal carry angle is the dumbest part of the debate . A permit does not give you authority. I am very much pro 2A. It doesn’t give you a hall pass to “help” by inserting yourself into a legal federal chaotic enforcement operation . Federal agents will not play intent games. They will treat “I’m helping “ as noise if your body is in the wrong place , you are closing distance and your hands are doing the wrong thing.

Mr. Pretti made horribly foolish decisions that day. I would NEVER encourage anyone I love to take part in this nonsense. IMO
Maybe you need to re-watch the videos. I think you're seeing what you want to see, not what actually happened.
 
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10:52 PM

Alex Pretti honored at Basilica of St. Mary service​

Clergy members at the Basilica of St. Mary honored and prayed for Alex Pretti and his family on Sunday.

For 10 years, Father Harry Tasto says he worked alongside Pretti as a chaplain at the Minneapolis VA hospital.

"He was known for his kindness and gentleness to patients," Tasto said. "So don't please pay any attention to the vilification from our national leaders."

Clergy invited those at Sunday's service to take home a candle in honor of Pretti.

Katie Bartlet doesn't go to church at the Basilica; she's not even Catholic, but she felt the pull to come.

"It spoke to me to come and bring a candle for Alex," she said.

By Jason Rantala

 
  • #646
Is Minnesota a swing state?

Technically speaking, it is not. It has voted blue at least since 1984 as the runner-up against Ronald Reagan was Walter Mondale, a Minnesotan. And before, they voted blue except for Nixon, and before that, they voted blue after Eisenhower.

But, during some elections, the margin has been low. I'd say, that in cases of "charismatic" Democratic candidates, they are "definitely blue", and in cases of "uncharismatic ones", the situation is more complex.

I believe that Michael Moore described the mood and the mentality of his state the best in his 2016 article "I think Trump is gonna win". That year, Minnesota voted for Clinton, but with a very narrow margin.

I lived in Iowa, just below Minnesota, and I can extrapolate, because both are post-industrial Midwestern states. People there are kind, hardworking, and - in sharp difference from Massachusetts or Washington, both states that i consider "mine" - having the concept of "a neighbor". While in MA people will help a lot if you ask and in WA, people are just but tend to help "causes" more, for a Midwesterner noticing when your neighbor is struggling and actively offering free help is the norm. And it is sincere.

So IMHO, this is the worst place to send ICE into because the sense of "neighborhood" is very strong there, and if their neighborhoods are in disarray, it hurts them a lot.

Just my personal opinion.
 
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...The Telegraph's frame from witness vid
 
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  • #650
We now have statements condemning the shooting from both former presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. Surely we will hear from George W. Bush soon.
 
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12m ago

Minnesota police chiefs seek meeting with Trump​

The Minnesota Chiefs of Police Association (MCPA) is requesting a meeting with President Trump, which the group says would be "constructive and timely" in light of the "complex, high-pressure environments" local law enforcement officers are working in "while communities seek reassurance, clarity, and stability."

"During periods of elevated tension, thoughtful leadership and responsible communication are essential to reducing strain rather than amplifying it," the group says. "... Public trust depends on consistent, professional conduct. At the same time, officer safety must remain a fundamental priority, as it is inseparable from the safety of the communities officers serve."

"A constructive path forward is essential. The MCPA encourages greater dialogue among federal and state leaders to support professional conduct that strengthens public safety, protects law enforcement professionals, and maintains public trust across Minnesota."

By Brian Dakss

 
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Even the NRA and GoA are calling out what the US government are doing.

Lose gun owners and there'll be a new President before the midterms - guaranteed!
he was an emergency care nurse, just trying to help someone. he was not an immigrant, he was a white american - which obviously shouldn’t matter but to some people sadly it will. it’s on video and the behavior of ICE is chilling, the “boo hoo” after taking a life. i don’t see how anyone can defend this unless they are so invested in believing lies just because that’s what they want to believe. unfortunately it seems like there are still plenty of people like that, but i hope with all my heart most people will see this was wrong, so wrong.
 
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Dbm
 
  • #655
He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been

They had Alex incapacitated and on the ground, the next step would be searching him for weapons (that's if he was in any way aggressive before they tackled him which he was not). If the agents in your scenario were unable to properly search Alex and then properly communicate among themselves that he got disarmed, then they were incompetent on the most basic level. Literally more incompetent that any policeman fresh out of training.
 
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Minneapolis man says he was detained for hours after witnessing Alex Pretti shooting​


Well, there's a bit of dystopian jargon that should chill all Americans: USCs.

New affidavits filed in court detail how witnesses were arrested immediately after the shooting of Alex Pretti.

One of those witnesses, who asked to be called Javier for safety reasons, said he was among dozens of what he overheard agents referring to as "USCs" — United States citizens in custody.


(From above link)

Note: US citizens detained by immigration enforcement agents, not police.
 
  • #657
Enforcing the law is a basic responsibility of government. Law enforcement should be able to do its job without outside interference, and protesters shouldn’t be allowed to dictate whether or not the law is enforced. imo

It still does not mean the "interfering" protesters should be executed on the spot.

MOO
 
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It still does not mean the "interfering" protesters should be executed on the spot.

MOO
Yes, (of course not one would have added even a year ago, though now basic explanation is required by the looks of things).Summary executions, theoretically and historically speaking, happen in dictatorships and tyrannies. Rules for thee ( the populace,) and rules for me ( govt and its agents,). We'll see just how much over the boundary the US has gone in the next few days. JMO
 
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I've stayed off this thread up to now for various reasons. Neither had I really watched the videos of this incident. I have now, though.

From what I can see this is the clearest case of a blatant, state-sponsored (or at the least state-condoned), extra-judicial execution. Outright murder. Any official (or anyone for that matter) who claims otherwise is either lying or is delusional. It is victim blaming in its most literal sense.

That's not just my opinion; there are a plethora of lawyers putting videos out there saying exactly that. Search Devin Stone's (Legal Eagle) most recent video - my previous post contained a link but I don't think it's allowed so I deleted it - it's shocking.

Stating that the victim was brandishing a firearm is an obvious outright lie. There simply is no other word for it. It's a lie and it's being said by people in high office. That should shock and terrify every US citizen regardless of political persuasion!

The victim in this case was not acting unlawfully in any manner what-so-ever.

He was not carrying an illegal firearm.

He was exercising his first and second amendment rights and the state, through its undertrained rent-a-mob thugs, executed him because they had their precious little egos bent when he came to the aid of a woman they were bullying.

Someone mentioned "domestic terrorism" That's exactly what this is and it's frightening, quite frankly!

As a disclaimer - this post is NOT about political leanings one way or the other. It's about a crime committed by government employees. And all my opinion, obvs.
 
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He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been - he shouldn't of been fighting w/ICE nor had any weapon to use against ICE <modsnip: Thread is not about immigration policy>
if a regular citizen is held to certain standards by law, such as the fear of imminent danger must be reasonable to use deadly force in the defense of self or others, then trained law enforcement, even federal law enforcement, should be as well.

The agents were the aggressors. The victim did not approach them, they approached and advanced upon him, forcing him back to the curb. They then pushed a woman next to him who was in no way a threat to them, and then proceeded to push him to the ground as he attempted to shield both himself and the woman from their pepper spray.

At no time did Alex Pretti, the victim in this case, brandish a weapon or physically assault any agent, but they continued to escalate the situation by shoving him down on the ground, and then, while he was in their control and custody his firearm was removed from his person and he was shot multiple times from behind. MOO The victim was not the aggressor in this case, the agents, acting in a sort of mob mentality were.

A jury should get to decide if their actions were reasonable and defense of self or others.

The excuse that his weapon (in the hands of a federal agent by that time) may have accidently gone off and scared them in the heat of the moment is a weak one IMO because trained LE should be held to at least the same standards as the citizens they are policing.
 
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