from what i understand those were AI generated.The ICE shooter's face is already out. Very very clear pictures.
from what i understand those were AI generated.The ICE shooter's face is already out. Very very clear pictures.
At 0:13 she drives not him and at :14 he shoots while he's still in front of the car. I'm watching the linked video.She didn't drive into them at all. Look at the wheels.
Edited as don't know if source is allowed.
At 0:11 I clearly hear a lawful order to get out of the car. I clearly see her decide to ignore the lawful order and drive into agents.
THIS!!!!Another officer also yells at her to leave the scene, so which order was she supposed to follow? She had 5 agents approaching her, all telling her different things.
is that a lawful order? what right do they have lawfully?At 0:11 I clearly hear a lawful order to get out of the car. I clearly see her decide to ignore the lawful order and drive into agents.
Not a lawful order. As a US citizen they had no authority over her. And they gave conflicting orders, one saying get out of here, move and another saying get out and trying to open her car door. They created this nightmare. She was the victim of their lack of lawful authority and proper training.At 0:11 I clearly hear a lawful order to get out of the car. I clearly see her decide to ignore the lawful order and drive into agents.
There’s moments from the full video where he is wearing a face covering, but his upper face is clearly exposed.from what i understand those were AI generated.
She NEVER rammed him, video does not lie, wheels were turning amongst all the shouting, away to go away down the street. If they wanted her away from there, let her. Not what he wanted, the one, the killer, he wanted to shoot her and he had to actually GO to HER to do that. IMONot what I see or hear at all.
I clearly hear one agent tell her to "get out of HERE" not out of the car, while another one tries to open her car door. Anyway, her not getting out of the car doesn't give them permission to shoot her. She was not breaking the law. She is allowed to be in her car and she did not, under any circumstances, "drive into agents." That never happened.
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At 0:13 she drives not him and at :14 he shoots while he's still in front of the car. I'm watching the linked video.
It’s not a lawful order. They don’t have authority over her. They could ask her to leave. It’s already been confirmed she was not being investigated by ICE.is that a lawful order? what right do they have lawfully?
I saw his WHOLE face, up close. Waving his fingers around like get out of here, as in out of my face. The person videoing him.There’s moments from the full video where he is wearing a face covering, but his upper face is clearly exposed.
is that a lawful order? what right do they have lawfully?
1) he steps towards the front left of the vehicle, instead of backing away. He created the dangerous situation. 2) the vehicle was not going fast enough to cause an imminent threat.At 0:13 she drives not him and at :14 he shoots while he's still in front of the car. I'm watching the linked video.
stongly disagree, has nothing to do with like it or not.Like it or not they are federal agents and that get out of the car was the lawful order.
No, it’s quite literally not a lawful order. ICE does not have jurisdiction to stop civilian vehicles without reasonable suspicion of an undocumented immigrant in the car, or a warrant that targets a person in the vehicle. You are simply wrong. See my citations in post #83.Like it or not they are federal agents and that get out of the car was the lawful order.
Like it or not they are federal agents and that get out of the car was the lawful order.
Like it or not they are federal agents and that get out of the car was the lawful order.
BBM.I very clearly see an officer in front of the vehicle as the woman very rapidly accelerates into a turn and the camera angle changes. In the two incidents that I cited, the accelerations towards the officers were far slower.
The above aside, I don't think the woman was trying to run over the officer. Rather, I firmly believe that she would have continued to turn, then drove away once she had completed the turn (and cleared the officer).
In the end I think the shooting was "justifiable" in the technical legal sense but not truly justified ethically.
The officer should have noted that the vehicle was tightly turning away from him (while also moving towards him). At the same time, the officer cannot read minds and did not know her true intent.
Noem said there was bad weather and an ICE vehicle was stuck, but the road and skies look clear in the videos. Was a vehicle stuck?Isn't it crazy? A woman is dead because of trigger happy ICE. It's going to get worse too because of the false statements made by WH and Noem.
I happened to be watching news and very 'fortunate' to see the Mayor speak live and NOT have his angry words blurbed out. He was so furious with excellent reason, the spin. We knew right off, I did, that there would be a huge attempt at a SPIN. Lots of witnesses, cameras going. That speaker woman who dresses up to suit the background and her story out in 'the wild' came on as a 'sherriffy' looking person, instantly spewed her BS from Texas somewhere, AS A FACT AND END OF STORY. Anyone seeing the immediate position of the car, as told by a witness, and the immediate area around it, can see, NO NEED for anyone to shoot right into the driver side windshield, low. I saw the bullet hole in the seat as well.. a graphic scene, but it is vid that may NOT be shown as the minutes go by with this admin. This was a 'white woman' that I believe said to be 30 something. IM
If I see a bunch of agents with guns surounding my car its not the time to look a a law book, its time to comply.I'm going to need a source on that. What you're saying is not fact.