MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

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Perhaps. But, their job, ostensibly, is to apprehend criminal immigrants - not to shoot unarmed, American mothers in the face. IMHO.
🥺 So utterly sad and so unnecessary that this happened
 
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In watching many views I never saw him jolted, I saw him shoot a citizen in cold blood for absolutely no reason
And if the gun went off because he was jolted, yet was able to shoot through the windshield, that means he had the gun drawn and pointed in that direction.
 
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Perhaps. But, their job, ostensibly, is to apprehend criminal immigrants - not to shoot unarmed, American mothers in the face. IMHO.

LE authority does not turn off because someone is a US citizen, a mother, unarmed in the sense of not holding a gun. A moving 4000 pound vehicle used against an officer is a deadly weapon . His job in that moment was not immigration enforcement , it was self defense. IMO
 
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And if the gun went off because he was jolted, yet was able to shoot through the windshield, that means he had the gun drawn and pointed in that direction.
Exactly.
 
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LE authority does not turn off because someone is a US citizen, a mother, unarmed in the sense of not holding a gun. A moving 4000 pound vehicle used against an officer is a deadly weapon . His job in that moment was not immigration enforcement , it was self defense. IMO
I, respectfully, disagree. His ONLY job is immigration enforcement. In this particular case, that is not what he was doing. IMHO.
 
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I, respectfully, disagree. His ONLY job is immigration enforcement. In this particular case, that is not what he was doing. IMHO.
Perfectly said. Thank you.
 
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That’s an emotional distortion of what happened from my perspective. This isn’t about being fine with killing, dancing or personality. She was interfering in a federal operation (like it or not, they are doing their jobs), parked her car perpendicular in the darn road, she refused commands, she backed up, again she’s being told to get out of the car, she backs up, then accelerates, a four thousand pound moving vehicle coming at the agent, her vehicle then made contact with the agent. In that split second it became a perceived lethal threat assessment. Multiple shots are fired because officers are trained to shoot until the threat stops. There is no rule that one shot is enough. His aim was deliberate and targeted.

It’s incredibly sad that Ms. Good* has been killed. It is. I’m also relieved this agent was not injured. He was doing his job.

Si now what. This could be a civil case, that I strongly believe goes no where. Perhaps criminal charges, again that I believe goes no where.

Tennessee vs Gardner is the standard that likely rules in favor of the agent.

All my opinion

Edited: *name spelling correction
Also Graham v. Connor

"...the facts and circumstances related to the use of force should drive the analysis, rather than any improper intent or motivation by the officer who used force."

 
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Its agents have the power to stop, detain and arrest people they suspect of being in the US illegally. They can detain US citizens in limited circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest, assaults an officer, or ICE suspect the person of being in the US illegally.

 
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Its agents have the power to stop, detain and arrest people they suspect of being in the US illegally. They can detain US citizens in limited circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest, assaults an officer, or ICE suspect the person of being in the US illegally.

Thank you! Very interesting as I haven't seen anything that could be construed as any of those circumstances.
 
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Its agents have the power to stop, detain and arrest people they suspect of being in the US illegally. They can detain US citizens in limited circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest, assaults an officer, or ICE suspect the person of being in the US illegally.

Thank you.
 
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Guns go off that easily?

My definitive answer is..... I don't really know- but maybe. I mainly shoot .22s and shy away from bigger calibres that are designed for use against people.

The full calibre guns that I am familiar with are older, "double action" design. These guns have a longer trigger pull because mechanically, one needs to bring the hammer back via pulling the trigger before it falls and fires the gun.

A jolt, shove, even a brushing car hit like what happened to the Agent would likely not cause this type of gun to go off via flinching (assuming that the trigger had to been staged back)

Other guns are "single action". They have a shorter trigger pull as mechanically, pulling the trigger releases the hammer to fall. More modern designs are "striker" fired. I am not familiar with these.

But... I believe that nearly all modern law enforcement guns are striker fired. I have heard that these can have very short trigger pulls, especially if one is not used to it. I just have never fired one.
 
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It's richly ironic that Ross is opposed to government over-reach. By all appearances, he abused his government job to trample on the most basic of civil rights: life.

MOO
It does seem the "don't tread on me" crowd are the ones that are welcoming the imposition of a police state.
 
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It does seem the "don't tread on me" crowd are the ones that are welcoming the imposition of a police state.
yep the "don't tread on me" crowd are happy to be treading on other people

one rule for me and another for thee
 
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Probably the gun went off because the officer was Jolted when he got run into. And he was a part of the group taking part in detaining the... persons of interest.
Really? He had his finger on the trigger and was pointing it at her face... But it was just an accident that it went off?
 
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