Found Deceased MO - Clauddinnea 'Dee Dee' Blancharde, 48, Springfield, 10 June 2015 - #2 *Arrests*

[shana]

Local attorney predicts: Gypsy's defense will be 'expert-driven'

Springfield defense attorney Adam Woody said the murder case against Gypsy Blanchard likely won't go in front of a jury until 2017, but he can already foresee tactics her lawyers might try.

...he expects the relationship between mother and daughter to be a key part of Gypsy's defense when the case goes to trial."I expect that to be the primary focus of the defense," Woody said. "Any psychological defense like that is very expert-driven. The jury is going to hear a lot of expert testimony and diagnoses to try to negate the responsibility on Gypsy's part."

 

[Eileen730]

Thank you!



I remember that.



Thanks. You know, I don't see anything indicating Gypsy manipulated anyone. Even with Aspergers, the boyfriend was likely more functional than she.

There are so many cases of "lovers" who plot to and kill the parent of one of them so they can "be together". Doesn't mean one manipulated the other.

But who planted the seed?

 

[Eileen730]

This is a very food article and might explain NG a little better.
Someone I love dearly is an aspie and I can see and totally understand how NG ended up where he is!

Im not saying in any way he should not pay for what hes done but Aspies are wired totally different then we are.

http://ownshrink.com/empathy/psychopaths-vs-aspies-who-has-more-empathy/

As I have said before, the difference in the empathy of Psychopaths/Sociopaths and Aspies is that the former is a social predator and the latter is social prey.








An Aspergers patient will not have the same ability to mimic that the Psychopath does – us aspies are oblivious to social cues unless trained by professionals or ourselves, and we do not have the ability to turn empathy on and off. I know a few highly empathetic Aspies, but they do not actually feel what the person they are empathizing with feels – they can only sense logically that it is a good thing or a bad thing and their emotions respond accordingly, which can be very frustrating to the Aspie.

 

[Eileen730]

IMO!

Gypsy went along with Mother for as long as she possibly could and just got very tired of the game they were playing.

I am not so sure there is mental illness there ir just lack of socialization.

Over time gypsy becomes restless needs to get out wants to run....
Maybe she told her MOM im leaving I met someone and want to be with him MOM says over MY dead body your leaving here and they fight often.
Im Pretty sure MOM held their crimes over Gypsys head as a way t keep here there maybe even drugging her or locking the house so she cant escape.

If we find she is of sound mind and there were no locks on the little pink house with tinted windows she stayed of her own decision.

but I do think there is so much more to this story!
Guess we have to wait and see!

 

[Sutton]

I have known a few people with Asperger's, and they have all been exceptionally (and at times, annoyingly) moral people. I cannot imagine them giving into "peer pressure" or being pressured into doing something that was wrong, even if it meant saving someone from a bad situation.

I have read books on the syndrome by Temple Grandin and John Elder Robison (Augusten Burrough's brother), both of whom have Asperger's. They both describe developing a moral code which they were bound to. I have also read The Science of Evil and other books discussing lack of empathy and how Aspies compensate.

Not questioning NG's diagnosis, it's just different from what I've read and experienced in my own life.

(These were all good books btw, and I am a harsh critic. Fascinating subject.)

 

[pepelepolecat]

Remember the case of the little girl adopted by a pedophile from Russia? Who raped her nightly and used her to make child porn? Restricted her diet to keep her small and prepubescent? Well he also bought her toys and took her to Disney. So should we say maybe he loved her and it wasn't all bad? If that kid had not been rescued and had instead grown up with him, and then coerced an online boyfriend to have him killed, would there be any sympathy for the abuser? As much need to hold her accountable for his murder and to have her thrown in prison for 50 years or whatever?

I agree. I think it's easy to get tangled up on the fact that this was her mother, who made a big obvious deal of how much she loved her daughter. But I suspect that all that "love" DB so overtly lavished on GB disappeared as soon as their door was closed. Things probably got extremely bad before GB finally found a way out.

I see little difference. The mother here destroyed this child's life. Decimated it. Ruined her kid. Twisted her. Devastated her future. Emotionally amputated all her limbs.

I excuse Gypsy.

I agree. If I were solely in charge of this case (and probably a good thing I'm not because this is NOT an unbiased opinion), I'd sentence her to intensive inpatient therapy followed by intensive outpatient therapy until she was healed enough to move forward in her life. I believe that healing is possible to a degree. The human brain is remarkably plastic and resilient.

I found this interesting in light of this case:

Severely abused children (SAC) kill their abusive parent to end the abuse. These individuals have been abused by their parent(s) for years. The abuse is typically known to others. SAC have sought help from others and, yet, the abuse has continued. They often have tried to run away, considered suicide, and, in some cases, have attempted to kill themselves. Over time, the violence in the home escalates and these individuals become increasingly stressed. They kill the abusive parent because they are terrified that they or other family members will be seriously harmed or killed. They are typically desperate and see no other way out but murder. These individuals typically have a longstanding history of depression and meet the diagnostic criteria for Post-traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/qa-why-kids-kill-parents/

 

[MsFacetious]

Gitana - You rock. :woot:
I just didn't have the energy to keep trying to explain... but your posts explain what I wanted to say. :seeya:

 

[human]

The insanity of her life is unfathomable. I think of the smiling Deedee who people thought was such a saint The face of evil.

 

[Lulu14]

I have known a few people with Asperger's, and they have all been exceptionally (and at times, annoyingly) moral people. I cannot imagine them giving into "peer pressure" or being pressured into doing something that was wrong, even if it meant saving someone from a bad situation.

I have read books on the syndrome by Temple Grandin and John Elder Robison (Augusten Burrough's brother), both of whom have Asperger's. They both describe developing a moral code which they were bound to. I have also read The Science of Evil and other books discussing lack of empathy and how Aspies compensate.

Not questioning NG's diagnosis, it's just different from what I've read and experienced in my own life.

(These were all good books btw, and I am a harsh critic. Fascinating subject.)

A moral code like killing an abuser and saving her innocent daughter?

 

[kimlynn]

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Remember the case of the little girl adopted by a pedophile from Russia? Who raped her nightly and used her to make child porn? Restricted her diet to keep her small and prepubescent? Well he also bought her toys and took her to Disney. So should we say maybe he loved her and it wasn't all bad? If that kid had not been rescued and had instead grown up with him, and then coerced an online boyfriend to have him killed, would there be any sympathy for the abuser? As much need to hold her accountable for his murder and to have her thrown in prison for 50 years or whatever?

I see little difference. The mother here destroyed this child's life. Decimated it. Ruined her kid. Twisted her. Devastated her future. Emotionally amputated all her limbs.

I excuse Gypsy.

Gitana,
I have posted before that I don't like to compare degrees of abuse but IMO there would be a difference between a grown man molesting a child daily and a mother that in public put her child in a wheelchair and shaved her head.
But I didn't say in my earlier post that negated any abuse that Gypsy may have suffered.What I posted was that I hoped that Gypsy did have some good days with her mother and I think it's okay to hope for that. IMO

 

[wfgodot]

Though this convoluted case would seem to have a clearly identifiable villain, other murderers themselves have had childhoods fraught with horrible personal injustices meted upon them by parents from beyond the nether-regions of hell; will those who find sympathy here for Gypsy because of the perceived bizarre and painful circumstances of her upbringing also in the future carry the same quality of caring for other alleged killers on trial?

Perhaps it doesn't matter. Sadly, circumstances, while they may mitigate, do not negate the act. Murderers must be punished. Such is the law.

 

[Lulu14]

Though this convoluted case would seem to have a clearly identifiable villain, other murderers themselves have had childhoods fraught with horrible personal injustices meted upon them by parents from beyond the nether-regions of hell; will those who find sympathy here for Gypsy because of the perceived bizarre and painful circumstances of her upbringing also in the future carry the same quality of caring for other alleged killers on trial?

Perhaps it doesn't matter. Sadly, circumstances, while they may mitigate, do not negate the act. Murderers must be punished. Such is the law.

I will always be in favor of victims killing their abusers. Always.

When they start killing other people, that did not wrong them, then I have a problem.

 

[Lulu14]

Gitana,
I have posted before that I don't like to compare degrees of abuse but IMO there would be a difference between a grown man molesting a child daily and a mother that in public put her child in a wheelchair and shaved her head.
But I didn't say in my earlier post that negated any abuse that Gypsy may have suffered.What I posted was that I hoped that Gypsy did have some good days with her mother and I think it's okay to hope for that. IMO

You are wrong. When abuse happens, it doesn't matter if the victim and the abuser "had some good days" as well. And I really don't see any difference between a pedophile and DD. Personally, I would rather be molested than be in gypsy's shoes.

 

[kimlynn]

You are wrong. When abuse happens, it doesn't matter if the victim and the abuser "had some good days" as well. And I really don't see any difference between a pedophile and DD. Personally, I would rather be molested than be in gypsy's shoes.

So you would rather Gypsy suffered on a continual basis versus having some time of freedom/relief inside her home? The rather be molested than be Gypsy is taking this a bit to far on the dramatic side .IMO

 

[wfgodot]

I will always be in favor of victims killing their abusers. Always.

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That's a rather cavalier approach to the basic concepts of Western jurisprudence and trial by jury.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Remember the case of the little girl adopted by a pedophile from Russia? Who raped her nightly and used her to make child porn? Restricted her diet to keep her small and prepubescent? Well he also bought her toys and took her to Disney. So should we say maybe he loved her and it wasn't all bad? If that kid had not been rescued and had instead grown up with him, and then coerced an online boyfriend to have him killed, would there be any sympathy for the abuser? As much need to hold her accountable for his murder and to have her thrown in prison for 50 years or whatever?

I see little difference. The mother here destroyed this child's life. Decimated it. Ruined her kid. Twisted her. Devastated her future. Emotionally amputated all her limbs.

I excuse Gypsy.

Gitana,
I have posted before that I don't like to compare degrees of abuse but IMO there would be a difference between a grown man molesting a child daily and a mother that in public put her child in a wheelchair and shaved her head.
But I didn't say in my earlier post that negated any abuse that Gypsy may have suffered.What I posted was that I hoped that Gypsy did have some good days with her mother and I think it's okay to hope for that. IMO

I agree that you really can't compare degrees of abuse because there are so many other factors.

I'm sure she did have some happy days. I think it would be naive to assume her life was nothing but unhappiness and misery. Most likely in her younger years, she had quite a lot of fun at times. I have no doubt in my mind that those trips to Disney and wherever else were absolutely delightful for her. But she was still in an abusive, oppressive situation that had to become more unbearable with time, especially as she outgrew that adorable child phase and into her teen years and adulthood.

 

[watergirl62]

Human, thanks for the upthread link to thoughtcloud. Great blog, nice find.
I read through everything so fast a while back and did not click all the links.
Finally have had time to trip down the rabbit hole.
This story! Poor Gypsy. DeeDee reminds me so much of my husbands ex. Oy.

 

[pepelepolecat]

Though this convoluted case would seem to have a clearly identifiable villain, other murderers themselves have had childhoods fraught with horrible personal injustices meted upon them by parents from beyond the nether-regions of hell; will those who find sympathy here for Gypsy because of the perceived bizarre and painful circumstances of her upbringing also in the future carry the same quality of caring for other alleged killers on trial?

Perhaps it doesn't matter. Sadly, circumstances, while they may mitigate, do not negate the act. Murderers must be punished. Such is the law.

I have the same caring for any victim who kills his or her abuser. No, I don't think any of us have a right to take another person's life regardless of the circumstances, but I do have sympathy and empathy for someone who has been abused, neglected or violated and who strikes back at their abuser.

I do not believe that being abused gives anyone the right to murder, and I would have not one ounce of sympathy for someone who was abused and used that as an excuse to hurt/abuse/murder an innocent person.

 

[Lilibet]

Thank you for saying what I have been struggling to find the words to say. Although I have tremendous sympathy for Gypsy, her circumstances did not give her the legal right to kill her mother. DeeDee did not "deserve" to be killed by her daughter. We have laws to prevent people from carrying out vigilante justice as Gypsy did. She needs to be held accountable, hopefully in a mental institution where she can get therapy. But acquitted by a jury...absolutely not. JMO

Though this convoluted case would seem to have a clearly identifiable villain, other murderers themselves have had childhoods fraught with horrible personal injustices meted upon them by parents from beyond the nether-regions of hell; will those who find sympathy here for Gypsy because of the perceived bizarre and painful circumstances of her upbringing also in the future carry the same quality of caring for other alleged killers on trial?

Perhaps it doesn't matter. Sadly, circumstances, while they may mitigate, do not negate the act. Murderers must be punished. Such is the law.

snip

That's a rather cavalier approach to the basic concepts of Western jurisprudence and trial by jury.

 

[kimlynn]

Gitana,
I have posted before that I don't like to compare degrees of abuse but IMO there would be a difference between a grown man molesting a child daily and a mother that in public put her child in a wheelchair and shaved her head.
But I didn't say in my earlier post that negated any abuse that Gypsy may have suffered.What I posted was that I hoped that Gypsy did have some good days with her mother and I think it's okay to hope for that. IMO

I agree that you really can't compare degrees of abuse because there are so many other factors.

I'm sure she did have some happy days. I think it would be naive to assume her life was nothing but unhappiness and misery. Most likely in her younger years, she had quite a lot of fun at times. I have no doubt in my mind that those trips to Disney and wherever else were absolutely delightful for her. But she was still in an abusive, oppressive situation that had to become more unbearable with time, especially as she outgrew that adorable child phase and into her teen years and adulthood.

pepelepolecat,
I agree and in no way am I saying what Gypsy experienced wasn't abusive. It truly was. I'm just not sure if she should have a pass on the killing as of yet. Need more information.IMO
Sorry messed up quote. Wonky board today and won't allow me to edit/fix. Sorry again,pepelepolcat for the mixed up quotes