MO - Grief and protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown

[Mrs G Norris]

This just hit out news today, first time I heard about it ..

[h=1]Ferguson: Journalists Ryan J Reilly, Wesley Lowery arrested as ‘warrior-cops’ stalk streets[/h]
http://www.news.com.au/world/fergus...ps-stalk-streets/story-fndir2ev-1227024317404

Sad.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

a 4th witness describes Michael Brown as not trying to get into the vehicle but as trying to get away from the vehicle, shot fired from inside vehicle, Michael runs away and is shot in the back, turns with hands up and is shot repeatedly until dead.

but surely all these witnesses cant be trusted...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...tchell-eyewitness-to-shooting-part-1.cnn.html

its so interesting to now compare peoples reactions to this case as compared with say cameron redus' case, in that case you had proof that the shooting victim had committed a crime and was being engaged for that reason, you had audio that had been reviewed and showed the officer issuing something like 50+ commands to the person that were ignored, you had two witnesses that said they saw the person fighting against and getting the better of the officer - and people defended cameron redus' through all of it, no this officers work history must prove he is a hothead, his neighbor from years ago didnt like him! he had no right to stop this man! the man was unarmed why would ever have to shoot him, all the poor kid did was fight with him for almost 6 minutes!

i wonder what ever could be different in these two cases... hmmmm i dont know, probably just one of those things...

RBBM - I'm not familiar with Cameron Redus, so I am not sure what you are alluding too.?!

 

[al66pine]

RBBM - I'm not familiar with Cameron Redus, so I am not sure what you are alluding too.?!

Hey, BB_LA

If you search his name here on W/S, you'll find a thread.

Or google. Many MS links. Here is one.
http://alamoheights.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/uiw-officer-who-killed-student-had-no-radio-link-to-ah/\

Hope this helps.

 

[lawstudent]

a 4th witness describes Michael Brown as not trying to get into the vehicle but as trying to get away from the vehicle, shot fired from inside vehicle, Michael runs away and is shot in the back, turns with hands up and is shot repeatedly until dead.

but surely all these witnesses cant be trusted...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...tchell-eyewitness-to-shooting-part-1.cnn.html

its so interesting to now compare peoples reactions to this case as compared with say cameron redus' case, in that case you had proof that the shooting victim had committed a crime and was being engaged for that reason, you had audio that had been reviewed and showed the officer issuing something like 50+ commands to the person that were ignored, you had two witnesses that said they saw the person fighting against and getting the better of the officer - and people defended cameron redus' through all of it, no this officers work history must prove he is a hothead, his neighbor from years ago didnt like him! he had no right to stop this man! the man was unarmed why would ever have to shoot him, all the poor kid did was fight with him for almost 6 minutes!

i wonder what ever could be different in these two cases... hmmmm i dont know, probably just one of those things...

Yeah, these cases are a mess. Although, I will say that I don't think many of the same people who defended Cameron Redus are criticizing Michael Brown. The ones who say none of the witnesses can be trusted in this case would probably not be the ones defending Redus' actions. There seem to be some people who always think the police did the right thing, others who always think a policeman is wrong for shooting an unarmed person, and then most people in the middle. Race is an issue in media coverage and is definitely a factor in influencing people's perspectives on the case, but I feel like Redus had plenty of detractors. The real comparison would be between two more similar incidents where there was no tape of resistance or anything like that. That is where the issue is really illuminated.

 

[Elley Mae]

Sharpton has his own show on MSNBC. Sounds like he is a recognized spokesman to me.

Oh I just love me some al sharpton. What a hoot.

 

[Sonya610]

that is outrageous.

I don't think it is outrageous at all. The officer said about 20+ times "okay let's go" he didn't care about the filming he was trying to empty out the RESTAURANT!

It is very very likely that if the restaurant management/owners were told that 911 would not be able to respond to calls they wanted to CLOSE the McDonalds and send their employees home. For liability reasons I can't imagine the owners wanting to keep it open when the store could be attacked, who would protect the staff?

Folks (like this reporter) that are causing problems and refusing to leave (which he was, he could have asked his questions while walking) would be a problem. The officer was being very very nice and relaxed and extremely patient as he kept saying "let's go, head toward the door, you can move and ask questions etc...".

I would bet since the police were THERE the restaurant staff probably wanted them to help clear the place out so they could lock up.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

rolandsmartin ‏@rolandsmartin · 9m ·

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On #NewsOneNow, Journalist @wesleylowery shares what happened to him yesterday in #Ferguson. ow.ly/AjGQ5



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Wesley Lowery speaking at the link...

 

[katydid23]

But every time something comes up in the news that involves white people, do folks start saying "where's Chris Matthews? Why isn't he saying XY or Z?" as people do ANY time an issue that involves a black community comes up? It's as if white America chose Al Sharpton to be the spokesman for and to all of black America lol.

Sure, Al has a talk show, and he likes to show up whenever there's a big news item. But so does, say, Rush Limbaugh, who, although he doesn't seem to travel to events, makes damn sure to insert his loud voice into any big issue that comes up.


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Chris Matthews does not specifically speak about nor focus exclusively upon 'racial politics.' If he did, then maybe people would expect him to speak up when specific issues arose.

Rev Sharpton DOES focus primarily upon racial issues. It is what it is. And when he does travel to a particular event, he seems to attract large, vocal crowds. So I think many blacks and Latinos and progressives DO see him as a spokesman for their cause.

 

[Elley Mae]

I know some white folks love to trot out Al Sharpton and usually Jesse Jackson as some sort of boogeyman, or spokesman who should do X, Y or Z, or not be doing A, B or C, but people need to understand that neither of these guys either represent the black community as a whole, speak for the black community, or are even just respected or listened to as leaders by the black community lol. Its frankly demeaning to keep trotting out Sharpton as some sort of rallying point or voice of representation or leadership. I mean, do people do the same for ANYONE in regards to the white community?? Of course not - because no one person represents white people, speaks for white people, or is universally supported, respected, or followed by white people. Why does anyone think black people would do so for any one person??!

If Sharpton is a figure of import for anyone, it seems to be the media, and the WHITE community, who have sort of adopted him as a representational black man to focus their ire on.


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bbm, I don't know what is meant by "some white folks" but it was black folks that brought him out.

The Rev. Al Sharpton (l.) went to Ferguson, Mo., at the request of the parents of slain teen Michael Brown.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/sharpton-seeks-justice-missouri-shooting-article-1.1901597

 

[popsicle]

David Carson @PDPJ · 10h Saw guy with small silver semi automatic handgun with protesters #Ferguson


David Carson @PDPJ · 10h #Ferguson crowd threw rocks, bottles, Molotov cocktails, saw a gun, right before this stepped off



David Carson @PDPJ· 9h #Ferguson protesters attempting to light Molotov cocktail





These are from last night.

 

[Irisha]

I don't think it is outrageous at all. The officer said about 20+ times "okay let's go" he didn't care about the filming he was trying to empty out the RESTAURANT!

It is very very likely that if the restaurant management/owners were told that 911 would not be able to respond to calls they wanted to CLOSE the McDonalds and send their employees home. For liability reasons I can't imagine the owners wanting to keep it open when the store could be attacked, who would protect the staff?

Folks (like this reporter) that are causing problems and refusing to leave (which he was, he could have asked his questions while walking) would be a problem. The officer was being very very nice and relaxed and extremely patient as he kept saying "let's go, head toward the door, you can move and ask questions etc...".

I would bet since the police were THERE the restaurant staff probably wanted them to help clear the place out so they could lock up.

Do you have a link that McDonald's wanted to close? Or just the riot police wanted certain people to leave? The reporter said he was eating and charging his personal items (on CNN). McDonald's is a place of business, reporter was a paying customer, period. Exactly what was the customer doing illegal that he was told to leave? Why was he arrested? I believe I heard he was AA. JMO

 

[Sonya610]

Do you have a link that McDonald's wanted to close? Or just the riot police wanted certain people to leave? The reporter said he was eating and charging his personal items (on CNN). McDonald's is a place of business, reporter was a paying customer, period. Exactly what was the customer doing illegal that he was told to leave? Why was he arrested? I believe I heard he was AA. JMO

In the video it seemed to me the restaurant was just about EMPTY and this reporter was there dragging his feet (and likely hoping to show "police harrassment"). If the police were ONLY targeting a few reporters then why didn't we see lots of other customers eating their happy meals undisturbed???? And why didn't the reporter ask "How come you are only asking US to leave???" which is what any reasonable person would do if singled out.

If the police informed the staff that 911 calls won't be answered I find it extremely likely the restaurant WOULD close as forcing employees to work in such a situation could bring major lawsuits if an employee was hurt.

We don't know the whole story, just the half that the reporter WANTS to tell.

 

[popsicle]

David Carson @PDPJ · 15h

I'm back in #Ferguson near the QuikTrip, W Florissant Ave shutdown, side streets blocked off in prep for peace march


David Carson @PDPJ · 15h

#Ferguson after peace march police are concerned with bag in middle of street on W Florissant



David Carson @PDPJ · 15h

#Ferguson bag was nothing, belonged to guy shooting video


David Carson @PDPJ · 14h

#Ferguson peace march protesters now sitting in middle of W Florissant, chanting



David Carson @PDPJ · 14h

#Ferguson protester now chanting soccer chant "I believe that we will win"


David Carson @PDPJ · 14h

#Ferguson crowd now blocking only NB traffic, cops hanging back watching


David Carson @PDPJ · 14h

#Ferguson both lanes of W Florissant Ave blocked again, crowd chanting "They say get back, we say **** that" tact teams driving up


David Carson @PDPJ · 14h

#Ferguson crowd moved out of street, crowd antagonized, upset, cops lined up telling people to disperse, thanks crowd for cooperation so far

 

[liljim]

whoever corrected me and said in fact there was no curfew mentioned earlier in the day and it was just a request by police - you were right. i guess i got carried away with trying to be fair to LE. it still does seem reasonable to me that they would want to restrict the area where large gatherings could take place once it becomes dark.

it certainly is interesting to compare the actions of LE at the bundy standoff to what happened here, and say the actions of the riot squads during the ukraine riots and other revolts compared to what caused the police here to open fire with tear gas and rubber bullets. apparently some people get to point loaded weapons and sniper rifles of their own back at the police and the police will not even ask them to stop doing so, they wont force them to stop doing so either, and will in fact retreat and leave said people be. other groups if someone throws a bottle at police the police will open fire and advance shooting tear gas seemingly indiscriminately about the neighborhood, into peoples yards, directly at media crews...

 

[popsicle]

David Carson @PDPJ · 14h

#Ferguson cops keep complimenting crowd, says we're working together on this, crowd not buying it chant "hell no we won't go"


David Carson @PDPJ · 13h

#Ferguson it's 6pm local time crowd seems awfully fired up for this early in the day. But crowd is thinning, lots F bombs directed at cops


David Carson @PDPJ · 13h

#Ferguson Jedi mind tricks worked, crowded moved to QuikTrip, cops 200 yards away, crowd quiet, murmuring, no chants


David Carson @PDPJ · 13h

#Ferguson cops moved down street stirred up crowd, have reestablished police line just south of QT, crowd quiet again



David Carson @PDPJ · 13h

#Ferguson every time cop get on loud speaker crowd gets fired up, cops tell crowd we're not interfering w/ your right to peacefully assemble

Some good pics on his twitter imo

 

[katydid23]

Do you have a link that McDonald's wanted to close? Or just the riot police wanted certain people to leave? The reporter said he was eating and charging his personal items (on CNN). McDonald's is a place of business, reporter was a paying customer, period. Exactly what was the customer doing illegal that he was told to leave? Why was he arrested? I believe I heard he was AA. JMO

The reporter that I just saw on CNN was not AA/ And he was not really arrested. He was detained and then released, with no charges. Originally he was told he was 'trespassing' in the McDonalds so that seems like MCD's did want the people to leave. They were likely afraid of what a rioting crowd might do if they came that way.

 

[katydid23]

whoever corrected me and said in fact there was no curfew mentioned earlier in the day and it was just a request by police - you were right. i guess i got carried away with trying to be fair to LE. it still does seem reasonable to me that they would want to restrict the area where large gatherings could take place once it becomes dark.

it certainly is interesting to compare the actions of LE at the bundy standoff to what happened here, and say the actions of the riot squads during the ukraine riots and other revolts compared to what caused the police here to open fire with tear gas and rubber bullets. apparently some people get to point loaded weapons and sniper rifles of their own back at the police and the police will not even ask them to stop doing so, they wont force them to stop doing so either, and will in fact retreat and leave said people be. other groups if someone throws a bottle at police the police will open fire and advance shooting tear gas seemingly indiscriminately about the neighborhood, into peoples yards, directly at media crews...

So in your opinion, should cops ignore it when people throw bottles at them? How about molotov cocktails?

And looting? Should the cops let that go?

ETA: Personally, I would not want to be in a country, where a rioting crowd could make the police back down, by pointing weapons at them. That could end in a national nightmare.

 

[liljim]

there is zero evidence that the mcdonalds owners or management asked the police or wanted the police to clear their establishment. it also seems to be conveniently ignored all the rights that police trampled in those encounters but hey some other people did loot and riot in the days prior so what are you gonna do?

 

[liljim]

So in your opinion, should cops ignore it when people throw bottles at them? How about molotov cocktails?

And looting? Should the cops let that go?

is that what i said? no that clearly is not what i said at all.

 

[Irisha]

In the video it seemed to me the restaurant was just about EMPTY and this reporter was there dragging his feet (and likely hoping to show "police harrassment"). If the police were ONLY targeting a few reporters then why didn't we see lots of other customers eating their happy meals undisturbed????

If the police informed the staff that 911 calls won't be answered I find it extremely likely the restaurant WOULD close as forcing employees to work in such a situation could bring major lawsuits if an employee was hurt.

We don't know the whole story, just the half that the reporter WANTS to tell.

The video shows the story. Just odd, 2 reporters were in McDonalds and the riot police decides to show up and they get arrested. And why were the riot police in McDonald's? Was a riot going on in there? No, just customers eating.:moo: