MO - Grief and protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown

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  • #481
I'm still trying to decide whether to go to the art show tonight (I'm supposed to be exhibiting). It's in South St. Louis not that far from where the shoe store was looted a couple of nights ago. Facebook rumor has it that a shoe store in Maplewood was looted last night. Listening to local radio right now to see if that's really true. I didn't go grocery shopping in Maplewood (that's one city over from Brentwood where I live) on Monday night, went to Des Peres instead (that's where the two closest Aldi stores are!) and my gut feeling was kind of right there. If I go to the art show I'm leaving by 8 for sure. It's supposed to go until 1 am.

My Dad is going to South St. Louis today to look after my late Mom's uncle. I'll ask him how it looks there but I doubt anything is going on there during the day. My Dad offered to go to the art show with me if I decide to go, I started thinking maybe I should go with Dad today too! Neither of us have a gun so I don't know what either of us would do if there was trouble. I'd feel a lot worse if something happens to Dad than if it happens to me.

What I'm really worried about is that the media is not satisfied with the footage they got last night and will try to insert themselves in the story even more than they did and try to start something "better". I think the media is trying to draw this out. The people in Ferguson don't want their community turned into a war zone. Communists from Chicago are here to try to start a revolution. Another Facebook rumor is that Mid Rivers Mall is the next target for looters. That's nowhere near where you'd expect anything to be going on. I guess anywhere with shoe stores is fair game? Weird.

Well, all I can say is I think we're heading toward an era where this kind of thing is going to become more and more common. I think a civil war in this country is inevitable. Get ready for life during wartime. Get your emergency supplies together (I have them already for my outdoor activities), grow a garden so you'll at least have a little food, get a gun while it's still legal, that's my advice. I don't know when it will be, I hope it's not in my lifetime but I've observed it brewing since the 90s and things are unravelling more quickly than I thought. People have been trying to start it for a long time. I remember terrorists from the Seattle area were imported here in the late 90s to try to start one. Actually they were hanging out on the same block where this art show is supposed to be tonight - I remember that stood out in my mind because at that time I used to volunteer at an art studio on that street that served clients with mental illnesses and disabilities. They hope to provoke the police to the point where the lawless will get PO'd and rise up and take over, then whoever is left will fight it out to see who wins the revolution. I hope I'm wrong about what I see for this country's future.

Sonya610, you might be right about why this hasn't spread further than it has. I don't yet own a gun, no one in my family does that I know of, but some of my friends do and one keeps a loaded gun in every room of his house. I'm not nervous going over there because he doesn't allow alcohol or drugs at his parties and no kids either. If I get one I'll have to get a safe for my Jeep and my bedroom, a friend of my brother's was telling me about a safe he has for his Jeep which goes under the front seat and has GPS tracking on it and all kinds of other safety measures, I think he said it won't open without a fingerprint scan. That sounds pretty safe. I'm sure it's not cheap. I'll have to look into that. I refuse to just leave guns lying around even though I live alone. Calling 911 is great but usually all they can do is investigate how you died after the fact.

If you think I'm being too paranoid, I hope you're right. Just think though, about what happened in New Orleans and think about what will happen in cities when they can't make the payroll for the welfare checks. When will we get to that point? I hope no one reading this is alive to see it. It could be tomorrow, it could be in 50 years. But the way things are going now I don't think is sustainable forever. What will happen here if the New Madrid fault goes off again? It will be New Orleans Part Deux.

I wish the media was more interested in reporting accurate news than stirring things up to get ratings. I really need information to figure out my movements for the day! Instead I get rumors and faked internet pictures. At least the internet radio is coming in better today.
 
  • #482
who has said, here or anywhere, that the police should have just stood down?

got a link for police vehicles being burned? definitely not heard that one yet...
 
  • #483
They are doing exactly what they were trained to do. It is astonishing to me that some expect the police to do nothing. That is what happened in the LA riots and the police didn't try to contain the protesters and we saw how awful that turned out.

So lets see, the police knows there has already been burning and lootings and destruction of property. And iirc the police themselves have had their vehicles burned by thugs pretending to protest Michael's death so with the police already knowing those facts they are to do nothing and stand down? That is totally absurd. The ones that have made this happen are the ones who used Michael's death for their own agendas. The ones who loot and burn property are not there for Michael. They just use this as an opportunity to commit crimes. So if the peaceful protestors should be mad with anyone it should be the looters and arsonists.........not the police who is trying to restore peace. Its those thugs and criminals who have made it far worse. LE are not mind readers. They don't know what each protestor has in their possession or whether they are armed or whether they have brought Molotov cocktails with them. It is obvious that a lot of the protestors are goading the police on. I think they have shown amazing restraint. Shouting to them to use their 'big boy' voices and carrying signs 'No Justice-No PEACE." Whether anyone likes to admit it that slogan is a threat!!!!! Its a message of 'you do as we say or you will pay.'

I do think every peaceful person has a right to protest but they cant be that naïve either. They have already seen the violence some have caused so if they are among them then they shouldn't be shocked if they get caught up in the mess that the violent protestors do.

I wouldn't want to be out in these crowds..not alone and certainly not with small children. It is already a city plagued with violent crimes and gunshot sounds seem to be the norm. I would be so afraid some nut would be high on drugs or alcohol and would start shooting the place up. I believe I read when Michael's father got out of his vehicle one day at the memorial that has been setup for Michael there was a gunshot heard close by at that time. This isn't Mayberry RFD. IMO

Excellent post. Thanks just wasn't enough.
 
  • #484
I just heard it was 2 reporters 1 from Washington Post, 1 from Huffington. They were arrested for trespassing. How do you trepass into a public business, order food, pay for it, while eating get arrested for trepassing? Released after 45 mins. Bogus charges:moo:

Uhhh...if the management/owner of a private property/business asks you to LEAVE and you refuse that is trespassing.

The police can't decide who is "trespassing" on private property, only the owners/agents of the property can decide that. Obviously the owners decided they wanted all patrons to exit.
 
  • #485
I just heard it was 2 reporters 1 from Washington Post, 1 from Huffington. They were arrested for trespassing. How do you trepass into a public business, order food, pay for it, while eating get arrested for trepassing? Released after 45 mins. Bogus charges:moo:

If a business wants you out and you don't leave, that's trespassing. When I used to work at the Wal-Mart I used to have to kick someone out on occasion and that's what they were told if they didn't leave. They always left after I said that, but if they didn't leave I was to call the police. Once during a storm we had to close the store and luckily everyone left but if they didn't leave we would have needed the police to get them out. Five people were killed in a robbery at a grocery store very close to where I worked several years earlier. We knew very well what could happen if things got ugly and if there was any reason to think things might get ugly we could close the store at our discretion and get everyone out. That only had to happen once due to the storm when I was there thank God.
 
  • #486
WTG annonymous for releasing the name of the coward officer who tried to hide using the social media scooby willman...claiming on his site "no one will find me now"...on the cached pages. I abhor MO's attempt to shield this officers identity they are fueling this situ all by themselves, and making a mess of it. I say Kudos to all at Anonymous for outing him.
That's my Opinion. Had they not tried to cover their butts like this as well as his, none of this would have happened. I don't believe the officers account, at all at this point.
Cached page to Officers attempt to hide himself erasing all of his social media:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ebook.com/pdboi1982+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
 
  • #487
WTG annonymous for releasing the name of the coward officer who tried to hide using the social media scooby willman...claiming on his site "no one will find me now"...on the cached pages. I abhor MO's attempt to shield this officers identity they are fueling this situ all by themselves, and making a mess of it. I say Kudos to all at Anonymous for outing him.
That's my Opinion. Had they not tried to cover their butts like this as well as his, none of this would have happened. I don't believe the officers account, at all at this point.
Cached page to Officers attempt to hide himself erasing all of his social media:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ebook.com/pdboi1982+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I think "Anonymous" has made a COMPLETE joke out of themselves. They don't know the full story here yet they decide to jump in the middle of it and endanger an officers life? I am guessing that is a VERY fragmented "group" with lots of odd folks taking on that name.
 
  • #488
Another thing I have to be cautious about is not letting the media make things seem worse than they are. Glenn Beck just said "Ferguson is on fire". (His show just started, will switch to local news show shortly). Well, not really. The news last night showed a couple of people holding Molotov cocktails and they said they were thrown but they didn't show anything really on fire. From what I've heard the total number of building reported burned or possibly burned since this started is 2. I remember during the flood of 1993 people not from the area thought the whole city was under water! The vast majority of people I knew were not affected in the slightest, as bad as it was in spots!

There are a lot of people here from out of town who would like the whole city of Ferguson to be on fire, they'd love that! So sad. There is still tornado damage visible from two years ago though most has been fixed by now. These people have been through enough. Leave them alone!
 
  • #489
From the twitter feed of @fox2now:

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https://twitter.com/fox2now/status/499689349420568577

Tell me why, in this country, police get to aim guns like this at unarmed protesters - white and black - in broad daylight.

But ARMED <modsnip> protestors at the Bundy ranch? Oh, LE just goes away and leaves them to it.


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  • #490
Uhhh...if the management/owner of a private property/business asks you to LEAVE and you refuse that is trespassing.

The police can't decide who is "trespassing" on private property, only the owners/agents of the property can decide that. Obviously the owners decided they wanted all patrons to exit.


Post a link, please.
 
  • #491
Reporters saw an unidentified man screaming for medical assistance in the back of a police truck. Police on the scene ignored his cries for help.

At least two reporters were assaulted and detained by police, and a St. Louis alderman was arrested for what police said was unlawful assembly. Local elected official Antonio French, who has been covering the protests on social media, was arrested and charged late Wednesday, his wife told local radio station KMOV. He was still in jail as of Thursday morning. The national reporters were released relatively quickly without charge.

HuffPost reporter Ryan J. Reilly and Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery were detained by police after they surrounded and invaded a McDonalds where the two were working and ordered them to leave. Police slammed Lowery into a drink machine and pushed Reilly’s head against the glass on the way out of the restaurant.

"They essentially acted as a military force. It was incredible," Reilly said.

Tear gas and rubber bullets were fired in the proximity of a crew from the TV network Al Jazeera America. In a statement, the network said that "Al Jazeera is stunned by this egregious assault on freedom of the press that was clearly intended to have a chilling effect on our ability to cover this important story."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...e_n_5677741.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000051

No where can I find where anyone from McDonalds asked the reporters to leave or suggested they were trespassing. It appears to me from the article they arrested them for unlawful assembly..
 
  • #492
Post a link, please.

You won't find a link for that one, Irisha...I just posted an article where the two reporters were arrested for unlawful assembly. It appears civil rights are being violated at every turn.

Even as FBI/DOJ are in that county, these officers have no respect for the constitution..

Those who were looting and causing destruction were not part of the peaceful protests for Mike Brown..seems some are conflating the two..SMH
 
  • #493
What in their mind constitutes "unlawful assembly"? That's disconcerting.
 
  • #494
I think "Anonymous" has made a COMPLETE joke out of themselves. They don't know the full story here yet they decide to jump in the middle of it? I am guessing that is a VERY fragmented "group" with lots of odd folks taking on that name.

WE agree!!!!!!!!!!!:happydance:Now, I'm going to smack my daughter on her Facebook page for changing her FB profile pic to Anonymous 2 days ago. I'll do it with love in private message.:blushing:
 
  • #495
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...e_n_5677741.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000051

No where can I find where anyone from McDonalds asked the reporters to leave or suggested they were trespassing. It appears to me from the article they arrested them for unlawful assembly..

Uhhh...McDonald's as a whole depends HEAVILY on the AA customer base. They are most definitely NOT going to have their corporate name/brand thrown in the middle of this fiasco.

If the police came in and started ordering customers to leave WITHOUT the restaurants approval well....I am pretty sure we would have heard about it. Is that what others are implying? That the police are now trying to ruin McDonald's business by storming into restaurants uninvited and forcing customers out against the restaurant owners will?
 
  • #496
you can keep repeating it but there is ZERO evidence that the mcdonalds owners or management wanted the place cleared or called police - there IS evidence from police statements and witness statements that they went there of their own volition because there was "a protest down the street"...

initially they were not even going to clear people out and they left, they just told them they should leave because police could not protect them and if they called 911 they would get no help, then they came back again without being requested to do so by anyone that we know of, and told everyone to leave immediately.
 
  • #497
who has said, here or anywhere, that the police should have just stood down?

got a link for police vehicles being burned? definitely not heard that one yet...

BBM (not hard to find-- it's the top story on MSN.com)

http://news.msn.com/us/protests-turn-violent-in-st-louis-suburb

County Police Chief Jon Belmar, though, said his officers have responded with "an incredible amount of restraint," as they've been the targets of rocks, bottles and gunshots, with two dozen patrol vehicles being destroyed.


At least one officer was seriously hurt-- broken ankle from a brick being hurled. Taken to the hospital.

These are not "protests". These are riots by thieves, thugs, and criminals. They all belong in jail, IMO.
 
  • #498
What in their mind constitutes "unlawful assembly"? That's disconcerting.

its ridiculous, the reporter in the one video is obviously being told he must leave but he is free to do so on his own, then he is given a timer, then when not even 1/2 of that time has gone by the officer determines that he must put hands on him and force him out, then on the way out the reporter is apparently not moving fast enough and the order is given to "take him" and he is accidentally slammed into something and arrested, to be released later after the chief of police says the arresting officers "didnt know what they were doing".

and people keep defending it.
 
  • #499
Uhhh...McDonald's as a whole depends HEAVILY on the AA customer base. They are most definitely NOT going to have their corporate name/brand thrown in the middle of this fiasco.

If the police came in and started ordering customers to leave WITHOUT the restaurants approval well....I am pretty sure we would have heard about it. Is that what others are implying? That the police are now trying to ruin McDonald's business by storming into restaurants uninvited and forcing customers out against the restaurant owners will?

I'm pretty sure if the reporters were trespassing, we'd hear about it by now...DYT?

Unlawful assembly is what the were detained for and released with NO CHARGES pending...so it's harassment, it's violation of civil rights, as they media is getting tear gas thrown at them...see the photos in the article.
 
  • #500
WTG annonymous for releasing the name of the coward officer who tried to hide using the social media scooby willman...claiming on his site "no one will find me now"...on the cached pages. I abhor MO's attempt to shield this officers identity they are fueling this situ all by themselves, and making a mess of it. I say Kudos to all at Anonymous for outing him.
That's my Opinion. Had they not tried to cover their butts like this as well as his, none of this would have happened. I don't believe the officers account, at all at this point.
Cached page to Officers attempt to hide himself erasing all of his social media:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ebook.com/pdboi1982+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I respectfully disagree. What they have done by releasing the officer's name is to now put his life and safety in danger. If he is married and has a wife and children they have also put their lives in danger as well. It will be another issue police will have to deal with upon all the other unrest in the city.

In most states there are laws to protect police officers' names from being released if it can be shown by releasing it .......it can endanger the life of the police officer or his family. I think it has certainly been proven that some up there are very violent. They are going to release his address too.:(

This officer has not been charged or arrested. We don't even know his side of the story completely. It is a dangerous game that Anonymous is playing with someone's life.

I use to like Anonymous but I have since learned it is several in the group and most are liberals and only picks certain cases based on their own agendas. They have lost all of my respect in this case. They are doing nothing helpful. They, right along with the media are inciting instead of trying to calm the city down where they can be patient for the FBI and DOJ investigation to be done.

Even putting out the PC......SS# shows how reckless and dangerous they are and how they want to hurt those who didn't even shoot Michael. I now found them disgusting.
 
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